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For us FL boaters, TRAINS
On Mar 4, 3:40*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:29:29 -0500, Harryk wrote: The Amtrak trains to Florida pass through lots of "back yards." GM was instrumental in "bribing" many cities into giving up their light rail and trolley routes in favor of GM buses. That's what happened in my hometown of New Haven. We had a pretty decent trolley system when I was a small kid, but suddenly it began to be ripped up when the new buses appeared. This was in the early to mid 1950's. The trollies were at street level, in the middle of the wider roads. The buses showed up, no doubt to help keep our industrial base going. Yep that happened in DC too. O Roy Chalk, the owner of DC transit got a whole fleet of new, air conditioned busses if he would rip out the street car tracks. For him it was a mo brainer. The street cars had very limited coverage, they would not let him lay any new track and people were moving to the suburbs (circa 1962 or so). When the public was polled, they said they would rather ride an air conditioned bus that stopped near their house than to have to transfer to an un air conditioned street car. Harry the conspiracy theorist. Huh, Why go back to a trolley system that clogs the roads? I've seen em in NO and they are a PITA blocking traffic. I suspect the real reason they are gone is that buses can go more places and not some silly conspiracy idea. Look into it and you will find that light rail is the least energy efficient/passenger mile because most of the time they are empty but they have to run anyway because people want to go places all the time, not just on the trolley schedule. |
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On 3/4/11 5:26 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 4, 3:40 pm, wrote: On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:29:29 -0500, wrote: The Amtrak trains to Florida pass through lots of "back yards." GM was instrumental in "bribing" many cities into giving up their light rail and trolley routes in favor of GM buses. That's what happened in my hometown of New Haven. We had a pretty decent trolley system when I was a small kid, but suddenly it began to be ripped up when the new buses appeared. This was in the early to mid 1950's. The trollies were at street level, in the middle of the wider roads. The buses showed up, no doubt to help keep our industrial base going. Yep that happened in DC too. O Roy Chalk, the owner of DC transit got a whole fleet of new, air conditioned busses if he would rip out the street car tracks. For him it was a mo brainer. The street cars had very limited coverage, they would not let him lay any new track and people were moving to the suburbs (circa 1962 or so). When the public was polled, they said they would rather ride an air conditioned bus that stopped near their house than to have to transfer to an un air conditioned street car. Harry the conspiracy theorist. Sorry, but it is not a theory that GM "bribed" its way onto many city streets. You are not a student of history. |
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For us FL boaters, TRAINS
On Mar 4, 5:50*pm, Harryk wrote:
On 3/4/11 5:26 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 4, 3:40 pm, wrote: On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:29:29 -0500, wrote: The Amtrak trains to Florida pass through lots of "back yards." GM was instrumental in "bribing" many cities into giving up their light rail and trolley routes in favor of GM buses. That's what happened in my hometown of New Haven. We had a pretty decent trolley system when I was a small kid, but suddenly it began to be ripped up when the new buses appeared. This was in the early to mid 1950's. The trollies were at street level, in the middle of the wider roads. The buses showed up, no doubt to help keep our industrial base going. Yep that happened in DC too. O Roy Chalk, the owner of DC transit got a whole fleet of new, air conditioned busses if he would rip out the street car tracks. For him it was a mo brainer. The street cars had very limited coverage, they would not let him lay any new track and people were moving to the suburbs (circa 1962 or so). When the public was polled, they said they would rather ride an air conditioned bus that stopped near their house than to have to transfer to an un air conditioned street car. Harry the conspiracy theorist. Sorry, but it is not a theory that GM "bribed" its way onto many city streets. You are not a student of history. OK, prove it. |
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On Mar 4, 6:22*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 4, 5:50*pm, Harryk wrote: On 3/4/11 5:26 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 4, 3:40 pm, wrote: On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:29:29 -0500, wrote: The Amtrak trains to Florida pass through lots of "back yards." GM was instrumental in "bribing" many cities into giving up their light rail and trolley routes in favor of GM buses. That's what happened in my hometown of New Haven. We had a pretty decent trolley system when I was a small kid, but suddenly it began to be ripped up when the new buses appeared. This was in the early to mid 1950's. The trollies were at street level, in the middle of the wider roads. The buses showed up, no doubt to help keep our industrial base going. Yep that happened in DC too. O Roy Chalk, the owner of DC transit got a whole fleet of new, air conditioned busses if he would rip out the street car tracks. For him it was a mo brainer. The street cars had very limited coverage, they would not let him lay any new track and people were moving to the suburbs (circa 1962 or so). When the public was polled, they said they would rather ride an air conditioned bus that stopped near their house than to have to transfer to an un air conditioned street car. Harry the conspiracy theorist. Sorry, but it is not a theory that GM "bribed" its way onto many city streets. You are not a student of history. OK, prove it. Next he'll be telling us that Henry Ford bribed stable owners toi turn their stables into parking garages. Sheesh. |