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A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:03:17 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:30:28 -0800, wrote: It's a military prison is it not? You claiming that all those patriots in such a place would try and kill him? Do you really believe that he's got to be confined 23.5 hours per day and have the lights left on 24/7 in order for him to be safe? That is pretty much SOP in a supermax He's not a danger to himself or others. He's not a violent criminal. Assuming he broke the law, which hasn't yet been decided by a court, he deserves to be treated humanely. That doesn't seem to be happening. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:40:55 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:30:46 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:22:05 -0500, wrote: That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start respecting the security clearances they have. The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now Those were different times and the circumstances are totally different. That said, I do think he should go to prison for a long time. He broke the law. I don't think he should be isolated and perhaps psychologically tortured, which is what seems to be happening If the stuck him in a marine "red line" brig like Portsmouth he would long for the peace and quiet of his little cell. I do think they should have charged him with something by now. They can charge him with a UCMJ violation (like an article 134) that would not prevent further federal charges and they would have a legal reason to keep him locked up until Holder figures out what he is going to do. The fact still remains, military justice is not civilian justice and lots of things you think of as rights do not exist. That is something they tell you on day one of boot camp. This is still an improvement over the old "articles of war" the military used to abide by. Which has nothing to do with how he's being treated. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
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says... On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:05:12 -0500, "MMC" wrote: "Califbill" wrote in message om... "L G" wrote in message m... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? Reply: Close Gitmo, transparency of government. Neither are happening. Publish on the web White House visitors list. He would not even reveal the coal industry lobbyists under a FOI act suit. ========== He may not look like the other lying politicians that have been in that chair but his actions are the same. Total bs. Bush lied to the American people for 8+ years. Obama is at least trying to do what's best for the country. Yeah, pushing revolution in the East, shutting down oil production, deflating the dollar, running up the debt beyond recovery, sending bus loads of mobs to private citizens homes and businesses to intimidate them, yeah, a real hero.. snerk |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
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A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:18:55 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:01:38 -0800, wrote: I think we are only going to put a halt to the piracy when we sacrifice a few hundred hostages held in Somalia and drop some huge conventional bombs on the home areas of the pirates. Let god sort out who gets to go to heaven and who goes elsewhere. Make the penalty huge for piracy. We will not do it because of the collateral damage but that is probably one of the only ways to stop the pirates. Most of the ones we kill are minor players. Not the chiefs who are taking 80% of the ransom. Or figure out who the chiefs are and destroy there home area. So, it's ok to kill a bunch of innocent civilians? I guess there's no reason to believe that most of these pirates are just acting out of economic reality. The ultimate solution is a better economy in the region. $100m ransoms are not basic subsistence in a country where the average annual income is about the price on an I phone. Some day we will be asking "where is the money going"? ...OR ... ... We may be standing over another smoking hole in the ground and know where some of it went. Huh? Your solution is to bomb Somalia? |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
$100m ransoms are not basic subsistence in a country where the average annual income is about the price on an I phone. Some day we will be asking "where is the money going"? ...OR ... ... We may be standing over another smoking hole in the ground and know where some of it went. Huh? Your solution is to bomb Somalia? You don't think that would work? Do tell. We're all ears. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On 2/26/11 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:18:55 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:01:38 -0800, wrote: I think we are only going to put a halt to the piracy when we sacrifice a few hundred hostages held in Somalia and drop some huge conventional bombs on the home areas of the pirates. Let god sort out who gets to go to heaven and who goes elsewhere. Make the penalty huge for piracy. We will not do it because of the collateral damage but that is probably one of the only ways to stop the pirates. Most of the ones we kill are minor players. Not the chiefs who are taking 80% of the ransom. Or figure out who the chiefs are and destroy there home area. So, it's ok to kill a bunch of innocent civilians? I guess there's no reason to believe that most of these pirates are just acting out of economic reality. The ultimate solution is a better economy in the region. $100m ransoms are not basic subsistence in a country where the average annual income is about the price on an I phone. Some day we will be asking "where is the money going"? ...OR ... ... We may be standing over another smoking hole in the ground and know where some of it went. Huh? Your solution is to bomb Somalia? Well, we do have those thousands of nukes stockpiled, and no Soviet Union on which to drop them... :) |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
Huh? Your solution is to bomb Somalia? Well, we do have those thousands of nukes stockpiled, and no Soviet Union on which to drop them... :) Waste not want not. Eh? |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:43:28 -0500, Harryk
wrote: On 2/26/11 12:38 PM, wrote: On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:18:55 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:01:38 -0800, wrote: I think we are only going to put a halt to the piracy when we sacrifice a few hundred hostages held in Somalia and drop some huge conventional bombs on the home areas of the pirates. Let god sort out who gets to go to heaven and who goes elsewhere. Make the penalty huge for piracy. We will not do it because of the collateral damage but that is probably one of the only ways to stop the pirates. Most of the ones we kill are minor players. Not the chiefs who are taking 80% of the ransom. Or figure out who the chiefs are and destroy there home area. So, it's ok to kill a bunch of innocent civilians? I guess there's no reason to believe that most of these pirates are just acting out of economic reality. The ultimate solution is a better economy in the region. $100m ransoms are not basic subsistence in a country where the average annual income is about the price on an I phone. Some day we will be asking "where is the money going"? ...OR ... ... We may be standing over another smoking hole in the ground and know where some of it went. Huh? Your solution is to bomb Somalia? Well, we do have those thousands of nukes stockpiled, and no Soviet Union on which to drop them... :) Sick, sick! :) |
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