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says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:30:46 -0800, wrote: I don't think he should be isolated and perhaps psychologically tortured, which is what seems to be happening You're right about that. He should be in with a bunch of hardened criminals like everyone else. There's only one problem: I don't think he's gone to trial yet, and if he was locked up with hardened criminals, he'd probably never make it to the court room. Oops. |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:44:26 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... The problem predates the current administration, no reason to politicize the discussion. Not trying to politicize anything, Obama is the one who can stop it "now". When Bush was in, I had the same feeling, in fact I am sure I noted it here. The loss of 4 lives, fellow boaters, is a tragic event - no question about it. If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? Think he tried the beer at the White House thing yet? |
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In article ,
says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? You have to know, he has no interest in anything that would bring stability to that area of the world. Oil needs to go to 200 a barrel so he can finish collapsing the economy. That's why he has been orchestrating the union/communist insurrections from the Whitehouse itself and now paying thugs in Wisconsin, Ohio, and right here in CT. |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! |
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says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:11:15 -0500, BAR wrote: In article dd413b8a-dce6-482c-8f1d-c8bdfa1095c0 , says... What would you do if a guy wore his child on his chest during a robbery? Would you just let me go? Shoot him in the leg, when he falls down put one on his ear., Really? Have you ever seen video of a firefight. I would think you would hit 'em anywhere you can. |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? Well Wayne, that does seem to be the top items in the Republican agenda. It certainly isn't responsible finances and helping those who need it. Why are you threatened by gays wanting to marry? Why are you threatened by organizations like Planned Parenthood? Why don't you tell us again about how everyone should tow the line about being OT and not disparaging others, since you're the epitome of good behavior? |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John H
wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights for gays and are pro choice. |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:54:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:30:46 -0800, wrote: I don't think he should be isolated and perhaps psychologically tortured, which is what seems to be happening You're right about that. He should be in with a bunch of hardened criminals like everyone else. There's only one problem: I don't think he's gone to trial yet, and if he was locked up with hardened criminals, he'd probably never make it to the court room. It's a military prison is it not? You claiming that all those patriots in such a place would try and kill him? Do you really believe that he's got to be confined 23.5 hours per day and have the lights left on 24/7 in order for him to be safe? |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:02:51 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:20:15 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Feb 23, 11:23*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. * :-) It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat. There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile There are too many people involved. The first problem is the "No ****, there I was..." That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start respecting the security clearances they have. The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now I am all for making an example of someone and letting everyone know. Yes, I know that's the humanitarian in you talking, but most people aren't quite so arrogant. |
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says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights for gays and are pro choice. And most Gays know there are much more important issues to deal with right now, like Obama's involvement in the insurrections in the middle east. |
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On Feb 24, 7:32*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:27:29 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:07:08 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:27:14 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) Didn't it happen in the Indian Ocean, thousands of square miles? That's my understanding. *There are hundreds if not thousands of fishing boats out there, all looking a lot alike. I think we have theater surveillance capability sufficient to plot and track a lot of vessels. Once the operators get a feel for watching them I bet they can profile out the mother ships pretty quick and spend most of the effort watching them. It certainly can't be much harder than tracking terrorists in the wilds of Pakistan. These ships can't really hide in a cave and come out somewhere else. I agree, but I think Wayne has a good point.. in the scheme of things, it seems pretty low priority. Not saying it shouldn't be done, but these people clearly knew the risks. I believe they were warned more than once. It will be a low priority until they take a super tanker. Best case is it is just a huge ransom, worst case, an Exxon Valdez sized (or greater) oil spill somewhere they decide would cause the most trouble. They already have. Two of them just very recently http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...l-tanker-haul/ |
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On 2/24/2011 8:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights for gays and are pro choice. Sez who? |
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In article ,
says... On 2/24/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights for gays and are pro choice. Sez who? Not the polls, not the voters. The left just makes it up as they go along. |
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:27:14 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) Didn't it happen in the Indian Ocean, thousands of square miles? That's my understanding. There are hundreds if not thousands of fishing boats out there, all looking a lot alike. I think we have theater surveillance capability sufficient to plot and track a lot of vessels. Once the operators get a feel for watching them I bet they can profile out the mother ships pretty quick and spend most of the effort watching them. It certainly can't be much harder than tracking terrorists in the wilds of Pakistan. These ships can't really hide in a cave and come out somewhere else. Reply: I think we are only going to put a halt to the piracy when we sacrifice a few hundred hostages held in Somalia and drop some huge conventional bombs on the home areas of the pirates. Let god sort out who gets to go to heaven and who goes elsewhere. Make the penalty huge for piracy. We will not do it because of the collateral damage but that is probably one of the only ways to stop the pirates. Most of the ones we kill are minor players. Not the chiefs who are taking 80% of the ransom. Or figure out who the chiefs are and destroy there home area. |
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"L G" wrote in message
... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? Reply: Close Gitmo, transparency of government. Neither are happening. Publish on the web White House visitors list. He would not even reveal the coal industry lobbyists under a FOI act suit. |
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On Feb 24, 7:31*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:02:51 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:20:15 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Feb 23, 11:23 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. :-) It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat. There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile There are too many people involved. The first problem is the "No ****, there I was..." That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start respecting the security clearances they have. The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now I am all for making an example of someone and letting everyone know. Yes, I know that's the humanitarian in you talking, but most people aren't quite so arrogant. D'Plume, you are agreeing with BAR? Amazing! |
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In article ,
says... "L G" wrote in message ... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? Reply: Close Gitmo, transparency of government. Neither are happening. Publish on the web White House visitors list. He would not even reveal the coal industry lobbyists under a FOI act suit. That is because the meetings are being held off the White House grounds and no logs of the vistors are being kept nor are the attendees of these meetings being vetted by the Secret Service. Therefore the meetings never existed. |
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says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:30:28 -0800, wrote: It's a military prison is it not? You claiming that all those patriots in such a place would try and kill him? Do you really believe that he's got to be confined 23.5 hours per day and have the lights left on 24/7 in order for him to be safe? That is pretty much SOP in a supermax We can't have the guy committing suicide before we he gets the opportunity to serve out his sentence, whatever it may be. |
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"Califbill" wrote in message m... "L G" wrote in message ... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? Reply: Close Gitmo, transparency of government. Neither are happening. Publish on the web White House visitors list. He would not even reveal the coal industry lobbyists under a FOI act suit. ========== He may not look like the other lying politicians that have been in that chair but his actions are the same. |
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says... In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? Because Obama is dithering with the marriage crap again as a deflection from his organized destruction of our economy. Hooo boy..... |
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says... In article , says... On 2/24/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights for gays and are pro choice. Sez who? Not the polls, not the voters. The left just makes it up as they go along. So you're not for equal rights? |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? You have to know, he has no interest in anything that would bring stability to that area of the world. Oil needs to go to 200 a barrel so he can finish collapsing the economy. That's why he has been orchestrating the union/communist insurrections from the Whitehouse itself and now paying thugs in Wisconsin, Ohio, and right here in CT. That's stupid on so many levels..... |
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? Because Obama is dithering with the marriage crap again as a deflection from his organized destruction of our economy. Hooo boy..... You do know that he had meetings with the FB guy who started the insurection in Egypt just two weeks before the events? You do know that the two most frequent visitors to the WhiteHouse are Union heads? You do note all of the red shirts at the protests around the world? You do know that in 2008, the Unions said they needed to increase their memberships by organizing in the middle east? You do know that Obamas group "Organizing for America" along with the DNC are directing the events in Wisconsin, Ohio, Connecticut and other states? Or did Rachal Maddow (puke a bit in my mouth) forget to mention any of that?? |
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On 2/24/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights for gays and are pro choice. Sez who? Not the polls, not the voters. The left just makes it up as they go along. So you're not for equal rights? Never said that at all. But do go on... We are becoming accustomed to your game. Now that your "history" is coming out, things make a bit more sense. |
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says... In article , says... In article , says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? You have to know, he has no interest in anything that would bring stability to that area of the world. Oil needs to go to 200 a barrel so he can finish collapsing the economy. That's why he has been orchestrating the union/communist insurrections from the Whitehouse itself and now paying thugs in Wisconsin, Ohio, and right here in CT. That's stupid on so many levels..... To not see what is going on, is stupid on so many levels... These people tell you what they are doing and planning in their own words, and you are still in denial. |
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On 2/24/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights for gays and are pro choice. Sez who? Not the polls, not the voters. The left just makes it up as they go along. So you're not for equal rights? Never said that at all. But do go on... We are becoming accustomed to your game. Now that your "history" is coming out, things make a bit more sense. WTF history are you talking about? |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? You have to know, he has no interest in anything that would bring stability to that area of the world. Oil needs to go to 200 a barrel so he can finish collapsing the economy. That's why he has been orchestrating the union/communist insurrections from the Whitehouse itself and now paying thugs in Wisconsin, Ohio, and right here in CT. That's stupid on so many levels..... To not see what is going on, is stupid on so many levels... These people tell you what they are doing and planning in their own words, and you are still in denial. Okay, so just when did Obama, "in his own words" say that he has "no interest in anything that would bring stability to that area of the world"? Just when did Obama say "in his own words" that "oil need to go to 200 a barrel so he can finish collapsing the economy"? And what proof do you have that he is "now paying thugs in Wisconsin, Ohio, and CT"? |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? Because Obama is dithering with the marriage crap again as a deflection from his organized destruction of our economy. Hooo boy..... You do know that he had meetings with the FB guy who started the insurection in Egypt just two weeks before the events? You do know that the two most frequent visitors to the WhiteHouse are Union heads? You do note all of the red shirts at the protests around the world? You do know that in 2008, the Unions said they needed to increase their memberships by organizing in the middle east? You do know that Obamas group "Organizing for America" along with the DNC are directing the events in Wisconsin, Ohio, Connecticut and other states? Or did Rachal Maddow (puke a bit in my mouth) forget to mention any of that?? Hooo boy..... |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? Because Obama is dithering with the marriage crap again as a deflection from his organized destruction of our economy. Hooo boy..... You do know that he had meetings with the FB guy who started the insurection in Egypt just two weeks before the events? You do know that the two most frequent visitors to the WhiteHouse are Union heads? You do note all of the red shirts at the protests around the world? You do know that in 2008, the Unions said they needed to increase their memberships by organizing in the middle east? You do know that Obamas group "Organizing for America" along with the DNC are directing the events in Wisconsin, Ohio, Connecticut and other states? Or did Rachal Maddow (puke a bit in my mouth) forget to mention any of that?? Hooo boy..... Ok, you don't care to look for the facts yourself, but dismiss those who do.. Got it.. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:26:56 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:07:19 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/02/2011 11:26 PM, wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), wrote: The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat. There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile Drones might be good to spot, but an Apache 30mm rounds might be cheaper than missiles. If you are involving a pilot, an A10 is probably a better choice. Same gun but you also have the capability for a lot of wing mounted ordinance and you have a lot of range. They can also operate out of primitive air fields like you might have in Africa or south Asia. We have a buttload of them sitting out in the desert. I'd be glad to take a six-week course in how to fly one! |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? Because Obama is dithering with the marriage crap again as a deflection from his organized destruction of our economy. Hooo boy..... You do know that he had meetings with the FB guy who started the insurection in Egypt just two weeks before the events? You do know that the two most frequent visitors to the WhiteHouse are Union heads? You do note all of the red shirts at the protests around the world? You do know that in 2008, the Unions said they needed to increase their memberships by organizing in the middle east? You do know that Obamas group "Organizing for America" along with the DNC are directing the events in Wisconsin, Ohio, Connecticut and other states? Or did Rachal Maddow (puke a bit in my mouth) forget to mention any of that?? Hooo boy..... Ok, you don't care to look for the facts yourself, but dismiss those who do.. Got it.. Please show me the facts surrounding your wild allegations. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? Because Obama is dithering with the marriage crap again as a deflection from his organized destruction of our economy. Hooo boy..... You do know that he had meetings with the FB guy who started the insurection in Egypt just two weeks before the events? You do know that the two most frequent visitors to the WhiteHouse are Union heads? You do note all of the red shirts at the protests around the world? You do know that in 2008, the Unions said they needed to increase their memberships by organizing in the middle east? You do know that Obamas group "Organizing for America" along with the DNC are directing the events in Wisconsin, Ohio, Connecticut and other states? Or did Rachal Maddow (puke a bit in my mouth) forget to mention any of that?? Hooo boy..... Ok, you don't care to look for the facts yourself, but dismiss those who do.. Got it.. Please show me the facts surrounding your wild allegations. Nope, inform yourself... |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? Because Obama is dithering with the marriage crap again as a deflection from his organized destruction of our economy. Hooo boy..... You do know that he had meetings with the FB guy who started the insurection in Egypt just two weeks before the events? You do know that the two most frequent visitors to the WhiteHouse are Union heads? You do note all of the red shirts at the protests around the world? You do know that in 2008, the Unions said they needed to increase their memberships by organizing in the middle east? You do know that Obamas group "Organizing for America" along with the DNC are directing the events in Wisconsin, Ohio, Connecticut and other states? Or did Rachal Maddow (puke a bit in my mouth) forget to mention any of that?? Hooo boy..... Ok, you don't care to look for the facts yourself, but dismiss those who do.. Got it.. Please show me the facts surrounding your wild allegations. Nope, inform yourself... Uh, yeah...... |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:12:08 -0500, HarryisPaul wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... On 2/24/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote: If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran, the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ?? For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting gays over marriage. That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts. Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some? VOTES! Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights for gays and are pro choice. Sez who? Not the polls, not the voters. The left just makes it up as they go along. So you're not for equal rights? He's in favor of HIS equal rights, but not in favor of anyone else's. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:32:04 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:27:29 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:07:08 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:27:14 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) Didn't it happen in the Indian Ocean, thousands of square miles? That's my understanding. There are hundreds if not thousands of fishing boats out there, all looking a lot alike. I think we have theater surveillance capability sufficient to plot and track a lot of vessels. Once the operators get a feel for watching them I bet they can profile out the mother ships pretty quick and spend most of the effort watching them. It certainly can't be much harder than tracking terrorists in the wilds of Pakistan. These ships can't really hide in a cave and come out somewhere else. I agree, but I think Wayne has a good point.. in the scheme of things, it seems pretty low priority. Not saying it shouldn't be done, but these people clearly knew the risks. I believe they were warned more than once. It will be a low priority until they take a super tanker. Best case is it is just a huge ransom, worst case, an Exxon Valdez sized (or greater) oil spill somewhere they decide would cause the most trouble. Until? That ship, umm... has sailed. I believe it was $100M ransom. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:28:57 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:27:14 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) Didn't it happen in the Indian Ocean, thousands of square miles? That's my understanding. There are hundreds if not thousands of fishing boats out there, all looking a lot alike. I think we have theater surveillance capability sufficient to plot and track a lot of vessels. Once the operators get a feel for watching them I bet they can profile out the mother ships pretty quick and spend most of the effort watching them. It certainly can't be much harder than tracking terrorists in the wilds of Pakistan. These ships can't really hide in a cave and come out somewhere else. Reply: I think we are only going to put a halt to the piracy when we sacrifice a few hundred hostages held in Somalia and drop some huge conventional bombs on the home areas of the pirates. Let god sort out who gets to go to heaven and who goes elsewhere. Make the penalty huge for piracy. We will not do it because of the collateral damage but that is probably one of the only ways to stop the pirates. Most of the ones we kill are minor players. Not the chiefs who are taking 80% of the ransom. Or figure out who the chiefs are and destroy there home area. So, it's ok to kill a bunch of innocent civilians? I guess there's no reason to believe that most of these pirates are just acting out of economic reality. The ultimate solution is a better economy in the region. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:12:39 -0500, HarryisPaul wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? You have to know, he has no interest in anything that would bring stability to that area of the world. Oil needs to go to 200 a barrel so he can finish collapsing the economy. That's why he has been orchestrating the union/communist insurrections from the Whitehouse itself and now paying thugs in Wisconsin, Ohio, and right here in CT. That's stupid on so many levels..... It's deliberately stupid on so many levels. I find it hard to believe anyone who can type can be natively that stupid. |
A problem with deep-sixing pirates....
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:31:26 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote: "L G" wrote in message m... I_am_Tosk wrote: In om, says... In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607 @m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says... is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers) with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s] will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of Egypt. Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year old holding a Glock at the gas station? It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there will be nothing left for court;) If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight... He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise? Reply: Close Gitmo, transparency of government. Neither are happening. Publish on the web White House visitors list. He would not even reveal the coal industry lobbyists under a FOI act suit. Talking points from Rush/Beck? Gitmo is going to be closed, but thanks to Bush it's taking longer than Obama thought. Of course, the Republicans who don't want "terrorists on our soil" aren't helping. http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-r...isitor-records |
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