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On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:25:27 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:49:14 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:18:40 -0800, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:57:46 -0500, wrote:

The fact still remains close to half of the households pay no income
tax at all.

You keep saying that as though it has some great weight in your
argument. There's a significant portion of the population that doesn't
pay income tax because they ARE POOR.

Only in America can we call someone making $45,000 a year "poor".

What do you think the tax burden is on someone making that kind of
money in one of the socialist countries?

Those "socialist" countries give a lot to people who pay those higher
percentage taxes. Thus the income side of the equation isn't as
important. Of course, you don't want social services for anyone who
"can't afford it". You're contradicting yourself.

I guarantee you, if you take one of those people who are not paying
any income tax now and show them what their Canadian tax bill would be
(the templates are on the web if you want to try it)
those people would rather keep their extra $15-20,000 and buy
insurance on the open market. Kids being who they are, they would
probably buy a car and just hope they never have to go to the doctor
tho.

You'd be wrong. Canadians actually get something for their money..
sorry if you don't like that.

I'm sure a kid probably would, and then when he gets in a wreck, he
should just "pay" for the medical help out of his own pocket, of
course he wouldn't have any money by then, but you don't care about
that.

If he "gets in a wreck" there is car insurance to cover medical
expenses. Again you are drifting.

How is he supposed to afford the insurance if he spends the money on
the car? Keep trying to put me down by claiming a bunch of nonsense.
It's not helping your cause.

Ziggy®[_4_]

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:47:52 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:25:27 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:49:14 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:18:40 -0800, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:57:46 -0500, wrote:

The fact still remains close to half of the households pay no
income
tax at all.

You keep saying that as though it has some great weight in your
argument. There's a significant portion of the population that
doesn't
pay income tax because they ARE POOR.

Only in America can we call someone making $45,000 a year "poor".

What do you think the tax burden is on someone making that kind of
money in one of the socialist countries?

Those "socialist" countries give a lot to people who pay those higher
percentage taxes. Thus the income side of the equation isn't as
important. Of course, you don't want social services for anyone who
"can't afford it". You're contradicting yourself.

I guarantee you, if you take one of those people who are not paying
any income tax now and show them what their Canadian tax bill would be
(the templates are on the web if you want to try it)
those people would rather keep their extra $15-20,000 and buy
insurance on the open market. Kids being who they are, they would
probably buy a car and just hope they never have to go to the doctor
tho.

You'd be wrong. Canadians actually get something for their money..
sorry if you don't like that.

I'm sure a kid probably would, and then when he gets in a wreck, he
should just "pay" for the medical help out of his own pocket, of
course he wouldn't have any money by then, but you don't care about
that.

If he "gets in a wreck" there is car insurance to cover medical
expenses. Again you are drifting.

How is he supposed to afford the insurance if he spends the money on
the car? Keep trying to put me down by claiming a bunch of nonsense.
It's not helping your cause.

Which state lets you drive without insurance? It sure isn't the ones
we live in.

I'll bet there are a lot of uninsured Mexicans driving their wrecks in
Florida, Texas, Arizona, And The People's Republic of Kalifonia. Can't get
rid of em either. Washington will come down hard on anyone who tries.

John H[_2_]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:31:08 -0500, Ziggy® wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:47:52 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:25:27 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:49:14 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:55:02 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:18:40 -0800, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:57:46 -0500, wrote:

The fact still remains close to half of the households pay no
income
tax at all.

You keep saying that as though it has some great weight in your
argument. There's a significant portion of the population that
doesn't
pay income tax because they ARE POOR.

Only in America can we call someone making $45,000 a year "poor".

What do you think the tax burden is on someone making that kind of
money in one of the socialist countries?

Those "socialist" countries give a lot to people who pay those higher
percentage taxes. Thus the income side of the equation isn't as
important. Of course, you don't want social services for anyone who
"can't afford it". You're contradicting yourself.

I guarantee you, if you take one of those people who are not paying
any income tax now and show them what their Canadian tax bill would be
(the templates are on the web if you want to try it)
those people would rather keep their extra $15-20,000 and buy
insurance on the open market. Kids being who they are, they would
probably buy a car and just hope they never have to go to the doctor
tho.

You'd be wrong. Canadians actually get something for their money..
sorry if you don't like that.

I'm sure a kid probably would, and then when he gets in a wreck, he
should just "pay" for the medical help out of his own pocket, of
course he wouldn't have any money by then, but you don't care about
that.

If he "gets in a wreck" there is car insurance to cover medical
expenses. Again you are drifting.

How is he supposed to afford the insurance if he spends the money on
the car? Keep trying to put me down by claiming a bunch of nonsense.
It's not helping your cause.

Which state lets you drive without insurance? It sure isn't the ones
we live in.

I'll bet there are a lot of uninsured Mexicans driving their wrecks in
Florida, Texas, Arizona, And The People's Republic of Kalifonia. Can't get
rid of em either. Washington will come down hard on anyone who tries.

Very true, but you're opening yourself up for a charge of severe racism with
some of the libs in this group.

Ziggy®[_4_]

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:31:08 -0500, Ziggy® wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:47:52 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:25:27 -0500, wrote:

I'm sure a kid probably would, and then when he gets in a wreck, he
should just "pay" for the medical help out of his own pocket, of
course he wouldn't have any money by then, but you don't care about
that.

If he "gets in a wreck" there is car insurance to cover medical
expenses. Again you are drifting.

How is he supposed to afford the insurance if he spends the money on
the car? Keep trying to put me down by claiming a bunch of nonsense.
It's not helping your cause.

Which state lets you drive without insurance? It sure isn't the ones
we live in.

I'll bet there are a lot of uninsured Mexicans driving their wrecks in
Florida, Texas, Arizona, And The People's Republic of Kalifonia. Can't
get
rid of em either. Washington will come down hard on anyone who tries.

That is really getting a lot harder to do here. The cops have lap tops
in their cars, insurance coverage is available in real time and that
is probable cause for a stop, a ticket and that immigration check
everyone on the left is so ****ed about. Driving a junker without
insurance is the express lane to Krome Avenue (the ICE detention
center)

There is reason for hope then. Stop em in the border states and send em
home. That will surely impact most all of our entitlement programs.

Harryk

On 2/27/11 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:42:29 -0500, wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:31:08 -0500, wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:47:52 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:25:27 -0500, wrote:

I'm sure a kid probably would, and then when he gets in a wreck, he
should just "pay" for the medical help out of his own pocket, of
course he wouldn't have any money by then, but you don't care about
that.

If he "gets in a wreck" there is car insurance to cover medical
expenses. Again you are drifting.

How is he supposed to afford the insurance if he spends the money on
the car? Keep trying to put me down by claiming a bunch of nonsense.
It's not helping your cause.

Which state lets you drive without insurance? It sure isn't the ones
we live in.

I'll bet there are a lot of uninsured Mexicans driving their wrecks in
Florida, Texas, Arizona, And The People's Republic of Kalifonia. Can't
get
rid of em either. Washington will come down hard on anyone who tries.

That is really getting a lot harder to do here. The cops have lap tops
in their cars, insurance coverage is available in real time and that
is probable cause for a stop, a ticket and that immigration check
everyone on the left is so ****ed about. Driving a junker without
insurance is the express lane to Krome Avenue (the ICE detention
center)

There is reason for hope then. Stop em in the border states and send em
home. That will surely impact most all of our entitlement programs.

Florida is not really a border state unless you are Cuban or Haitian.

flajim is a retired navy boy...he gets an entitlement check every month.

HarryisPaul

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 2/27/11 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:42:29 -0500, wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:31:08 -0500, wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:47:52 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:25:27 -0500, wrote:

I'm sure a kid probably would, and then when he gets in a wreck, he
should just "pay" for the medical help out of his own pocket, of
course he wouldn't have any money by then, but you don't care about
that.

If he "gets in a wreck" there is car insurance to cover medical
expenses. Again you are drifting.

How is he supposed to afford the insurance if he spends the money on
the car? Keep trying to put me down by claiming a bunch of nonsense.
It's not helping your cause.

Which state lets you drive without insurance? It sure isn't the ones
we live in.

I'll bet there are a lot of uninsured Mexicans driving their wrecks in
Florida, Texas, Arizona, And The People's Republic of Kalifonia. Can't
get
rid of em either. Washington will come down hard on anyone who tries.

That is really getting a lot harder to do here. The cops have lap tops
in their cars, insurance coverage is available in real time and that
is probable cause for a stop, a ticket and that immigration check
everyone on the left is so ****ed about. Driving a junker without
insurance is the express lane to Krome Avenue (the ICE detention
center)

There is reason for hope then. Stop em in the border states and send em
home. That will surely impact most all of our entitlement programs.

Florida is not really a border state unless you are Cuban or Haitian.

flajim is a retired navy boy...he gets an entitlement check every month.

So somehow that's bad, but Don getting a govt check each month is good?

Ziggy®[_4_]

"HarryisPaul" wrote in message
...
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 2/27/11 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:42:29 -0500, wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:31:08 -0500, wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:47:52 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:25:27 -0500, wrote:

I'm sure a kid probably would, and then when he gets in a wreck,
he
should just "pay" for the medical help out of his own pocket, of
course he wouldn't have any money by then, but you don't care
about
that.

If he "gets in a wreck" there is car insurance to cover medical
expenses. Again you are drifting.

How is he supposed to afford the insurance if he spends the money
on
the car? Keep trying to put me down by claiming a bunch of
nonsense.
It's not helping your cause.

Which state lets you drive without insurance? It sure isn't the
ones
we live in.

I'll bet there are a lot of uninsured Mexicans driving their wrecks
in
Florida, Texas, Arizona, And The People's Republic of Kalifonia.
Can't
get
rid of em either. Washington will come down hard on anyone who
tries.

That is really getting a lot harder to do here. The cops have lap
tops
in their cars, insurance coverage is available in real time and that
is probable cause for a stop, a ticket and that immigration check
everyone on the left is so ****ed about. Driving a junker without
insurance is the express lane to Krome Avenue (the ICE detention
center)

There is reason for hope then. Stop em in the border states and send
em
home. That will surely impact most all of our entitlement programs.

Florida is not really a border state unless you are Cuban or Haitian.

flajim is a retired navy boy...he gets an entitlement check every month.

So somehow that's bad, but Don getting a govt check each month is good?

Krause is just a tool. He's working hard for the Republican party to insure
there is no one left on the planet who would vote Democrat this next
election. I'm sure he is also partly responsible for the weak showing the
unions are making in recent years.
If Flajim is retired military, he deserves all the pension money he can get
his hands on, It's not entitlement, it's earned. Same for Social Security.
Call that return on investment.

Entitlements are what illegals, certain minorities, slackers and liberals
think they are owed just because they are standing on American soil.

Ziggy®[_4_]

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:42:29 -0500, Ziggy® wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:31:08 -0500, Ziggy® wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:47:52 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:25:27 -0500, wrote:

I'm sure a kid probably would, and then when he gets in a wreck, he
should just "pay" for the medical help out of his own pocket, of
course he wouldn't have any money by then, but you don't care about
that.

If he "gets in a wreck" there is car insurance to cover medical
expenses. Again you are drifting.

How is he supposed to afford the insurance if he spends the money on
the car? Keep trying to put me down by claiming a bunch of nonsense.
It's not helping your cause.

Which state lets you drive without insurance? It sure isn't the ones
we live in.

I'll bet there are a lot of uninsured Mexicans driving their wrecks in
Florida, Texas, Arizona, And The People's Republic of Kalifonia. Can't
get
rid of em either. Washington will come down hard on anyone who tries.

That is really getting a lot harder to do here. The cops have lap tops
in their cars, insurance coverage is available in real time and that
is probable cause for a stop, a ticket and that immigration check
everyone on the left is so ****ed about. Driving a junker without
insurance is the express lane to Krome Avenue (the ICE detention
center)

There is reason for hope then. Stop em in the border states and send em
home. That will surely impact most all of our entitlement programs.

Florida is not really a border state unless you are Cuban or Haitian.

My mistake. You don't have an illegal problem?

Harryk

On 2/27/11 1:38 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:33:36 -0500, wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:42:29 -0500, wrote:

I'll bet there are a lot of uninsured Mexicans driving their wrecks in
Florida, Texas, Arizona, And The People's Republic of Kalifonia. Can't
get
rid of em either. Washington will come down hard on anyone who tries.

That is really getting a lot harder to do here. The cops have lap tops
in their cars, insurance coverage is available in real time and that
is probable cause for a stop, a ticket and that immigration check
everyone on the left is so ****ed about. Driving a junker without
insurance is the express lane to Krome Avenue (the ICE detention
center)

There is reason for hope then. Stop em in the border states and send em
home. That will surely impact most all of our entitlement programs.

Florida is not really a border state unless you are Cuban or Haitian.

My mistake. You don't have an illegal problem?

We hare aggressively attacking our illegal problem here. To his
credit, Obama is deporting people at a record pace and the local cops
are feeding that machine.
Actually the biggest thing that has cut down on illegals is the
economy. They come here for jobs and there is a white guy doing them
now.
Those not so silent raids have also put the employers on notice not to
hire illegals. In fact they are reluctant to even hire "legals" since
document fraud is so pervasive and the E-verify is frequently lacking.
Nobody wants 3 or 4 armed ICE agents coming in your office and scaring
the customers.

Ziggy is a transplant to florida and should be aware of what is
happening in his home state.

Boating All Out

In article ,
says...

We hare aggressively attacking our illegal problem here. To his
credit, Obama is deporting people at a record pace and the local cops
are feeding that machine.
Actually the biggest thing that has cut down on illegals is the
economy. They come here for jobs and there is a white guy doing them
now.

Which "white guys?"
Those supporting cheap illegal labor have for years been saying "white
guys" wouldn't do those jobs.
Seem to remember you saying that.
Probably true when you consider the low wages, and that most "white
guys" don't get pushed around by the implicit employer threat of
deportation.
Bet it's harder to handle the "white guys." Probably getting paid more
than illegals too.
Kind of breaks my heart thinking the wealthy have to pay more for their
maids, nannies, and landscapers.
Must really suck to be wealthy.
BTW, I went to grade school in classes with the majority being Mexican-
Americans.
I used the term "white people" to a teacher once as a distinction
between me and some of my Mexican-American classmates.
She took me to task, and told me they were "white people" too.
You can slice color how you want, but I took her advice to heart.
My point is you had had my teacher, you might have said "They come here
for jobs and there is a legal guy doing them."
It's got nothing to do with color of skin.
It's about legality.
And no, I'm not calling you a "racist."

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