On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:51:06 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:28:31 -0800, "Califbill"
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"I_am_Tosk" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:11:11 -0500, I_am_Tosk
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Listen up... if you walk into a used car lot and buy a car with cash,
you just drive out. The salesperson isn't going to ask you about
insurance.

Listen up.. No matter how many times you say it, it isn't true, at least
not here in CT. Might be in Kaliforna, but only to accommodate illegals
and derelicts... But not in CT. Every car sale is recorded, cash or
otherwise, the Tax man wouldn't have it any other way.





As I suspected, California has online linkage between DMV and the
insurance company and a cop can check your insurance from his car.+
Five years ago.

http://dmv.ca.gov/vr/insurance_suspension.htm

Here are some things you need to know about recent vehicle liability
insurance changes:

* As of January 1, 2006, all insurance companies are required to
report insurance status information to DMV for all private use
vehicles (CVC §16058).
* As of July 1, 2006, law enforcement and court personnel have
access to DMV records to verify that your California registered
vehicle is currently insured (CVC §16058.1).
* Effective October 1, 2006, your vehicle registration is subject
to suspension if the liability insurance is canceled, OR if your
insurance company has not electronically provided evidence of
insurance when you purchase and register your vehicle, OR if you
provide DMV with false insurance information (CVC §4000.38).

That's a lot of homework for the Plum. I think as soon as she noted the
"cash" thing, we all knew she was talking out of her ass... again. In CT
like you said in Fla, when someone drops insurance, the authorities are
notified right away.


Reply:
Buying a car for cash from a private party you do not have to show
insurance. And the lack of insurance takes a while to kick in. I sold my
96 s10 and the person failed to register the car in a timely manner. We
file a document with the DMV when you sell a car that removes you from the
liability for the car. I got a letter months later about expired insurance.
But that is more a problem with the DMV and their crappy records system.


The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to
that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care
around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the
ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no
good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or
driving a getaway car.

This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going
back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just
regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened
criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:39:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:03:39 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:00:43 -0500, wrote:



He will if he wants tags and in florida your current insurance
coverage comes up when a cop runs your tag. If you cancel, it shows up
in real time, pretty much as soon as the agent types it into his
computer. This is the 21st century and computers are connected.
We are even testing a camera the cops will have on their car that
independently scans tags and checks everyone it sees against the
database for wants, warrants, insurance, stolen etc and alerts the cop
right then. A cop could be parked on the side of the road asleep and
he would be woken up if an uninsured car drove by.

Listen up... if you walk into a used car lot and buy a car with cash,
you just drive out. The salesperson isn't going to ask you about
insurance.


The salesman isn't but that green eyeshade guy in the closing office
will if he values his license.
Have you ever bought a car for cash? I do it every time. They can not
issue you that paper tag or transfer your tag without proof of
insurance
I suppose you could buy a car and take it out on a trailer but if you
are driving it you need a tag and you can't get a tag without
insurance

You're right about actual, legal used car lots. I doubt most illegals
do that, however.


I am really starting to think you don't drive.

I'm really starting to think you'd prefer to be insulting and can just
barely contain yourself.


All of a sudden you think technology is going to just kick in and
solve all the problems? Come on.

It is sure chipping away at the problem. I am sure there are uninsured
drivers but they get caught often enough to be a deterrent and the
technology is making that a lot easier. A Mexican in a junker probably
gets his tag run a couple times a day. Racist? Profiling? maybe but
cops go where the likely arrests are.

BS. The cops have better things to do.


BTW this is why I have been saying for years, insurance companies
should be titling cars and issuing tags. They are the ones with the
skin in the game and the databases the cops use anyway.
The whole thing could be rolled up into one national database and
eliminate 51 state (remember DC) operations that are not that good
about talking to each other

National db? Perhaps administered by insurance companies? Or, by the
gov't??? Sounds like a police state to me...

Insurance companies already maintain a national database. That was my
point.
The insurance company database is a whole lot more accurate than the
police database unless the police link to the insurance companies,
which they do in Florida.

Why do we need the police anyway? Why not just hire the insurance
companies to do it all? Sheesh..

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 07:59:45 -0500, BAR wrote:

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BTW this is why I have been saying for years, insurance companies
should be titling cars and issuing tags. They are the ones with the
skin in the game and the databases the cops use anyway.
The whole thing could be rolled up into one national database and
eliminate 51 state (remember DC) operations that are not that good
about talking to each other

National db? Perhaps administered by insurance companies? Or, by the
gov't??? Sounds like a police state to me...

Insurance companies already maintain a national database. That was my
point.
The insurance company database is a whole lot more accurate than the
police database unless the police link to the insurance companies,
which they do in Florida.


It is amazing how private enterprise can get a system up and running
between many companies extremely quickly. However when there are
government agencies involved it never seems to get done.


Yeah all those civil liberty issues are really a bummer.

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:28:35 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:01:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:10:29 -0500, wrote:


What part of this is so hard to understand, your insurance is on the
cops computer in his car in real time.
It is not a "random stop". It is a flashing message on the laptop that
tells the cop, not only that your insurance was canceled but who your
agent/company is. You can't even get a tag without insurance and if it
lapses for any reason you tag is flagged.

So, how come all those illegals aren't getting stopped as soon as they
get on the road?? They aren't.

They run legal tags and they have insurance

? Huh? You believe that illegals have insurance on their to do list?


No insurance is a tow in Florida and you ride to the station in cuffs.

I doubt it. Most likely you're given a ticket unless there's some
other reason to detain you.


That is simply not true. They do tow cars stopped with no insurance.
My wife has had it happen to employees. They have even waited at the
gate for them to come out and bust them right there.

Sounds like a police state to me. My neighbor got stopped for expired
tags. He didn't even have his DL on him. They gave him a fix it
ticket.

Doesn't matter unless you are trying to deflect the conversation away
from insurance, to DL, or even further into a political thing.. .oh
wait...



I suppose you could run someone elses tag but that is fraught with
it's own perils. I would certainly expect a "felony stop" if I was
doing that. (dragged out of the car, knocked to the ground and a cops
foot on your neck)
The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum and
perhaps something a lot worse.
That computer in the cop car has taken a lot of mystery out of who
they are looking at and certainly which car that tag belongs to.

Yet, there are lots and lots of people on the road without
insurance...

Not so much here, maybe you just need better enforcement there.
Maryland was bad about that, mostly because DC did not require
insurance. That may be better but they also do not talk to each other.
They have 2 deputies here in each district who do nothing but
insurance, out of state tags and radar.
They drive around all day just running tags to see what pops. That was
the allure of that camera system that did it automatically. They are
checking every tag that comes in range.
These guys also look for out of state tags in employee parking lots.
That one is a ticket but it is a ticket with a warrant attached if you
don't buy a Florida tag right away. The next time it is that tow and
the ride downtown.

They do all of this because we do have a lot of out of state people
here who will blow off a wreck and leave the injured party trying to
catch someone across a state line.

Well, good for FL. However, there are 49 other states plus DC.

non

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:40:24 -0600, Boating All Out
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We hare aggressively attacking our illegal problem here. To his
credit, Obama is deporting people at a record pace and the local cops
are feeding that machine.
Actually the biggest thing that has cut down on illegals is the
economy. They come here for jobs and there is a white guy doing them
now.

Which "white guys?"
Those supporting cheap illegal labor have for years been saying "white
guys" wouldn't do those jobs.
Seem to remember you saying that.

They don't work as hard

Keeping the boss man real happy is a hallmark characteristic of the
illegal worker.
It has nothing to do with pleasing your cost-based prejudices.
And nothing to do with color.
Illegal Poles work real hard too, and they look "white" to me.
It's a damn shame when an employer loses a low-cost, hard-working, easy
to please illegal and has to deal with a fellow citizen.
Makes me want to cry, it does.

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The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to
that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care
around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the
ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no
good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or
driving a getaway car.

This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going
back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just
regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened
criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people.

Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book.
Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt
caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone
uninsured.
Some of those systems can probably be gamed too.
Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist.
But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a
used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time.
The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U.
Just go with something like 154 823L.
Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that.
But it could happen.
The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real
time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance
coverage.
Matter of time and politics.
Some would consider it too "Big Brother."
There's already squawking about red-light cameras.
I have mixed feelings about it.
Might not bother me if I was running the show.
Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about
it.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:37:49 -0500, wrote:



Yemen is the real problem and it is right next door even closer to
where the 4 Americans were killed than Somalia.
They have fishermen too.
If Al Qaeda has not figured this source of easy money yet, they will.

Uh huh... well, since you're now an expert on AQ I guess we should
just take your word for it.


And we are supposed to take your word for who has the money?
All we have is guesses.

I've posted the links. It's fairly well documented. As I said, look up
your guess, then discuss facts.

Here it is again as a starting point...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7650415.stm

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk
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I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's
probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a
moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs
to be a relatively slow process.

Why? What are they protecting? The Soviets are gone.

It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of
Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries
economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I
don't know the details, but still...

We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make
no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean
war.

In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on
the next plane.

Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink
in government talk.

If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in
much less than 180 days.

Sounds like socialism to me....


We call it foreign aid.

All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some
similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might
cover it. What do you think.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:42:05 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:25:11 -0800, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:17:16 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:57:30 -0800, wrote:


So, how are you going to "redirect" all these "low-paid" troops into
homeland jobs without displacing those low-paid construction jobs?

By starting new projects.

Ok. So, you have no objection to projects sponsored and paid for by
the gov't! Sounds like the heavy hand of gov't to me. I have no
objection your honor!
\\

Good deal


I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's
probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a
moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs
to be a relatively slow process.

Why? What are they protecting? The Soviets are gone.

Good grief! You know that little about economics and/or how the
military works? You can't just decide one day to close bases and then
everyone leaves.

Now you are worried about the Germans?

I'm thoughtful about how we as a nation are perceived and our effect
on the rest of the world. You aren't I guess.

I imagine there are plenty of Germans who wish we would go but even if
they didn't we are not the world's p[olicemen. If they want us there,
pay us to be there.

There are plenty more who appreciate us spending our money there. I
think we need to stay engaged there, but we don't need lots and lots
of bases. There are a few that should probably remain.


We could close foreign bases pretty fast if we wanted to and it is not
our job to replace the hole in the German economy. There are a few
people here saying the locals don't get that much money from our bases
anyway.

Sure thing! I guess that was the same sort of decision that was made
post WW1. That worked out pretty well, didn't it.

False equivalency again.

Really? Well, you just got done saying you don't care about the German
economy. That's what we said after WW1.

Do you really think the best way to help the German economy is to
occupy them?

No. I think the best thing for the US to do is to carefully reduce our
presence there without damaging their economy.




There was nothing in common with the surrender of a largely intact
Germany at the end of WWI, left to it;s own devices and their total
destruction in WWII.
We have occupied them for 66 years. When will we decide they are OK?

As I said, I have no objection to closing most of the bases. It just
doesn't need to devastate our or their economy to do that. Again,
we're looking for a long-term solution not a short-term reactionary
policy.

We are looking for ways to cut an $800 billion dollar pentagon budget.
You have to cut something.

Let's start with getting the facts right...

http://www.janes.com/events/OnlineSe...DefenceBudget/

Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all
those fiscal conservative Republicans.

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They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we
speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and
a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen
telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner..
This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars,
wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner
of that tag.
This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ...
as soon as they justify the cost.

I've heard about that. But I can go for weeks, maybe months without a
cop car anywhere near my tag.
Except in high-crime areas they'll never be enough cop cars out there to
make a dent.
Wearing my big brother hat, fixed cameras spying on everybody is better.
They can already read the tags, and send you the ticket.
Of course they're not shooting every car, just the ones sensed running a
red or toll.
But it not a big leap to get everybody passing the cameras.
Just a question of doing a faster translation, cross-referencing, and
then transmitting description, location and direction traveling to the
nearest cop car.
Kind of scary really, if you have any mistrust of big brother.