On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:18:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:33:55 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 10:30:00 -0500, BAR wrote:

Drilling in all of Alaska, off the coast of Calif., the Gulf of Mexico
and the Eastern Seaboard will solve the price problem.

At best you might be able to kick the can down the road another 10
years or so. Long term we need policies that encourage the switch to
other forms of energy.


CNG is a pretty attractive option that is not getting any traction at
all.

As previously described CNG has problems also... fracking.

I'd much rather see nuclear plants that are standardized (e.g.,
regulated design specs) and carefully monitored. Spent fuel is an
issue, but it's possible to do it.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf69.html

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:55:08 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:42:31 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:18:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:33:55 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 10:30:00 -0500, BAR wrote:

Drilling in all of Alaska, off the coast of Calif., the Gulf of Mexico
and the Eastern Seaboard will solve the price problem.

At best you might be able to kick the can down the road another 10
years or so. Long term we need policies that encourage the switch to
other forms of energy.


CNG is a pretty attractive option that is not getting any traction at
all.

As previously described CNG has problems also... fracking.

I'd much rather see nuclear plants that are standardized (e.g.,
regulated design specs) and carefully monitored. Spent fuel is an
issue, but it's possible to do it.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf69.html


There are tens of thousands of "fracked" wells operating with
absolutely zero problems. This is a made for TV problem.

How many more wells do you think we should drill?

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/f...ylvania-201006

http://dmaview.newsvine.com/_news/20...ing-denouement

You don't want the EPA to even exist, so of course you don't want to
wait for their determination.


You can find problems with every form of energy production. You are
the one who gave me the list of nuclear accidents.
Compare the number of accidents to the number of reactors, the danger
posed by those accidents and get back to me about a few fracked wells
that cause a problem.

So, read again where I said standardization and regulation.

Then we can start comparing that to Exxon Valdez and BP or the never
ending wars in the middl;e east.

I thought 9/11 only cost $500M?

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:45:32 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 09:56:31 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:55:08 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:42:31 -0800, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:18:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:33:55 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 10:30:00 -0500, BAR wrote:

Drilling in all of Alaska, off the coast of Calif., the Gulf of Mexico
and the Eastern Seaboard will solve the price problem.

At best you might be able to kick the can down the road another 10
years or so. Long term we need policies that encourage the switch to
other forms of energy.


CNG is a pretty attractive option that is not getting any traction at
all.

As previously described CNG has problems also... fracking.

I'd much rather see nuclear plants that are standardized (e.g.,
regulated design specs) and carefully monitored. Spent fuel is an
issue, but it's possible to do it.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf69.html


There are tens of thousands of "fracked" wells operating with
absolutely zero problems. This is a made for TV problem.

How many more wells do you think we should drill?

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/f...ylvania-201006

http://dmaview.newsvine.com/_news/20...ing-denouement

You don't want the EPA to even exist, so of course you don't want to
wait for their determination.

Maybe there is something on Pennsylvania that makes fracking a problem
there or it could just be the particular operator but compared to a
nuke accident or an oil spill this is trivial.

Or, maybe it's an industry-wide problem about to happen elsewhere. Do
you object to some research to find out or should we just drill baby
drill?


You can find problems with every form of energy production. You are
the one who gave me the list of nuclear accidents.
Compare the number of accidents to the number of reactors, the danger
posed by those accidents and get back to me about a few fracked wells
that cause a problem.

So, read again where I said standardization and regulation.

Then we can start comparing that to Exxon Valdez and BP or the never
ending wars in the middl;e east.

I thought 9/11 only cost $500M?

It cost Bin Laden less than a half million to do $2 trillion (your
number, probably low) in damage. That is a pretty good return on
investment. Imagine what they could do with a couple million (a small
ransom these days)

Imagine if you were a poor, illiterate fisherman, and suddenly came
into $10000... I bet the first thing you would do would be to plan a
sophisticated attack on the US. NOT

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:10:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:53:21 -0800, wrote:



Maybe there is something on Pennsylvania that makes fracking a problem
there or it could just be the particular operator but compared to a
nuke accident or an oil spill this is trivial.

Or, maybe it's an industry-wide problem about to happen elsewhere. Do
you object to some research to find out or should we just drill baby
drill?

I think that is most of the places they do this it is not a problem or
we would have heard about it before,. This is not a new process.

We've been "hearing about it" for quite a while. Just because the was
little or no environmental regulation or oversight for the last 10
years doesn't mean everything was just fine.

You can try and make that claim about deep offshore drilling if you
want, but I wouldn't suggest it.

You can find problems with every form of energy production. You are
the one who gave me the list of nuclear accidents.
Compare the number of accidents to the number of reactors, the danger
posed by those accidents and get back to me about a few fracked wells
that cause a problem.

So, read again where I said standardization and regulation.

Then we can start comparing that to Exxon Valdez and BP or the never
ending wars in the middl;e east.

I thought 9/11 only cost $500M?

It cost Bin Laden less than a half million to do $2 trillion (your
number, probably low) in damage. That is a pretty good return on
investment. Imagine what they could do with a couple million (a small
ransom these days)

Imagine if you were a poor, illiterate fisherman, and suddenly came
into $10000... I bet the first thing you would do would be to plan a
sophisticated attack on the US. NOT

That is not what we are talking about Al Qaeda IS in Somalia and they
are not illiterate fishermen. We are also talking about millions of
dollars, not a lousy 10 grand. I don't think the pirates are
terrorists, beyond being pirates, which is it's own form of terrorism
but we don't have a clue who is behind them or what their motivations
are. It is easy to just write them all off as "criminals" but we don't
know for sure. We don't even know how many different groups are
involved.

Most of the money isn't going to AQ. It's in the hand of the locals.
Read up.

Yemen is the real problem and it is right next door even closer to
where the 4 Americans were killed than Somalia.
They have fishermen too.
If Al Qaeda has not figured this source of easy money yet, they will.

Uh huh... well, since you're now an expert on AQ I guess we should
just take your word for it.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:37:49 -0500, wrote:



Yemen is the real problem and it is right next door even closer to
where the 4 Americans were killed than Somalia.
They have fishermen too.
If Al Qaeda has not figured this source of easy money yet, they will.

Uh huh... well, since you're now an expert on AQ I guess we should
just take your word for it.


And we are supposed to take your word for who has the money?
All we have is guesses.

I've posted the links. It's fairly well documented. As I said, look up
your guess, then discuss facts.

Here it is again as a starting point...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7650415.stm