NOYB,
You and I may not agree on everything, but when we disagree I always assume
you are trying to offset Harry's left wing crapola. I do think it is funny
that these losers are trying to get your goat by making fun of the fact that
you are a doctor. Harry is grasping at straws to find something to
ridicule, jps is so dumb that he is just jumping on whatever band wagon
Harry is pushing. Rec.boats is better than any soap opera on TV.


"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"jps" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Your failed miserable life, combined with extreme Narcissistic
Personality
Disorder, make you a time bomb ready to go off when it becomes
apparent
that
your entire life's "work" has gone for naught. Pretty sad...

Even if true, still better than drilling rotten teeth.

Not really. With the advent of cosmetic dentistry, there's a certain
satisfaction in my work when the patient leaves my office sporting a big,
white Hollywood smile. With the the
"only-go-to-the-dentist-when-it-hurts"
kind, there's a satisfaction in knowing that they aren't in pain any
longer
when they leave. Either way, it's very fulFILLING (pun intended).

It must suck to be an "advocate for union membership"...and then see the
number of members reduced by more than 60% in the last 50 years.

Harry,
Have you ever been happy with yourself, or your life's achievements?
It is obvious that you feel like your life is totally devoid of content.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

Couldn't hold down a job, eh?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:8lsbb.21089
No wonder GM finds it hard to compete. I'm sure it has been
modernized
that plant over the years, but the age of the facility speaks
volumes
about what is wrong with the management of America's car
manufacturers.


No kidding. Management should have shut it down years ago in
favor
of
opening a more profitable non-union plant. I guess it took 68
years
of
"negotiations" with UAW to finally win concessions for closing
the
place.

Please provide...

No. *You* prove I'm wrong.




No one has to. You're 30 years old and have led a sheltered life.
What
the hell would you know about working at an auto plant, or, for that
matter, any other factory job?

What would *you* know about it? You peck away at a keyboard, and
before
that a type-writer, writing "we hate management" slogans meant to
incite
anger in people out there doing real work. You represent a group
that
first
sparks the outrage, and then reaps the benefits in the form of union
dues.
That makes you a low-life, exploitive, flim flam man...who's ****ed
you
couldn't pass "p-chem" so that you could have pursued a "real"
profession.
Your failed miserable life, combined with extreme Narcissistic
Personality
Disorder, make you a time bomb ready to go off when it becomes
apparent
that
your entire life's "work" has gone for naught. Pretty sad...


I've had both factory and construction jobs, little boy.

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email sent to will *never* get to me.





Yeah, right. You see, I always wanted to be a dentist, because I have
this obsession with rotten teeth, bad breath, and inflicting dental pain.




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email sent to will *never* get to me.

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
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Harry,
Do you honest believe calling someone a fluffer has any content
whatsoever.

You have to have a sense of humor Bill. Don't sweat it, maybe next life.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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jps wrote:

"Jim -" wrote in message
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Poor Jim/Dennis...can't even compete with a blue collar auto worker.

Based on the intention of that remark, you obviously think little of the
blue collar
auto worker you claim to defend. You are a total farce.


Notice that he never disputes the Dennis/Jim thing? Funny, him calling
someone else a farce. I'll bet he's neither Jim nor Dennis.

Maybe a wash out auto worker named Denice?


The concept of people having 2 or three names is beyond you I guess. Yes, my full
name is James Dennis. If you include my confirmation name it is James Dennis Thomas.
So what is there to dispute?

What kind of name is jps?

Gould 0738 wrote:

Blame both GM and the unions. The plant closing is due exclusively to neither
party.

However, with increased automation in an attempt to cut costs, union labor
workforces
have been cut...perhaps due to the high costs of those union workers.

One also has to wonder about the efficiency of an old plant like that and
whether or
not GM attempted to modernize it to keep it as efficient as possible.

I would have to agree. The way they make cars these days, it doesn't matter
very much if the guys on the line are getting
$8 an hour or a decent, living wage.

Being competitive today is more about robotics and automation than whether the
workforce has been hired for the lowest conceivable dollar. There aren't as
many man hours in a car as just several years ago.


Which brings up an interesting hypothetical question. If we were to
"automate" all manufacturing, distribution, and information 100%, what
would we have left for the American worker to do?

The answer would probably be a good career choice for a high school
senior to contemplate.

Dave

"NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:8lsbb.21089
No wonder GM finds it hard to compete. I'm sure it has been modernized
that plant over the years, but the age of the facility speaks volumes
about what is wrong with the management of America's car
manufacturers.


No kidding. Management should have shut it down years ago in favor of
opening a more profitable non-union plant. I guess it took 68 years of
"negotiations" with UAW to finally win concessions for closing the
place.

Please provide...

No. *You* prove I'm wrong.


I did, by the way. No rebuttal?

No you didn't.


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:8lsbb.21089
No wonder GM finds it hard to compete. I'm sure it has been
modernized
that plant over the years, but the age of the facility speaks
volumes
about what is wrong with the management of America's car
manufacturers.


No kidding. Management should have shut it down years ago in favor
of
opening a more profitable non-union plant. I guess it took 68 years
of
"negotiations" with UAW to finally win concessions for closing the
place.

Please provide...

No. *You* prove I'm wrong.


I did, by the way. No rebuttal?

Bill,
Harry's got a tough sell here. In most Gallup surveys, dentists and
engineers (I have a DDS and BSME) always poll in the top 10 to 15 most
trusted professions...and journalists and labor union brass always poll near
the bottom. That's mighty difficult for a Narcissist to accept.



"Bill Cole" wrote in message
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NOYB,
You and I may not agree on everything, but when we disagree I always
assume
you are trying to offset Harry's left wing crapola. I do think it is
funny
that these losers are trying to get your goat by making fun of the fact
that
you are a doctor. Harry is grasping at straws to find something to
ridicule, jps is so dumb that he is just jumping on whatever band wagon
Harry is pushing. Rec.boats is better than any soap opera on TV.


"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"jps" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

Your failed miserable life, combined with extreme Narcissistic
Personality
Disorder, make you a time bomb ready to go off when it becomes
apparent
that
your entire life's "work" has gone for naught. Pretty sad...

Even if true, still better than drilling rotten teeth.

Not really. With the advent of cosmetic dentistry, there's a certain
satisfaction in my work when the patient leaves my office sporting a
big,
white Hollywood smile. With the the
"only-go-to-the-dentist-when-it-hurts"
kind, there's a satisfaction in knowing that they aren't in pain any
longer
when they leave. Either way, it's very fulFILLING (pun intended).

It must suck to be an "advocate for union membership"...and then see the
number of members reduced by more than 60% in the last 50 years.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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snip
Dave, read the whole thing a few times - before you reply.

I would have to agree. The way they make cars these days, it doesn't
matter
very much if the guys on the line are getting
$8 an hour or a decent, living wage.

Being competitive today is more about robotics and automation than
whether the
workforce has been hired for the lowest conceivable dollar. There aren't
as
many man hours in a car as just several years ago.


Which brings up an interesting hypothetical question. If we were to
"automate" all manufacturing, distribution, and information 100%, what
would we have left for the American worker to do?

You did not go far enough, what *can't* be automated? Think hard. Any job
that can be conducted over a telephone can be automated. Fifty years ago,
most people would have had trouble seeing how a bank teller would be
replaced with an ATM. Doctor Tooth can (and will) be replaced by a robot and
a token low paid nurse. Cars *will* drive themselves - kiss your fall-back
truck driver job goodbye. It is *very* hard to think of a job that can't be
automated; certainly there are not enough of these jobs for everybody!

The answer would probably be a good career choice for a high school
senior to contemplate.

Dave


Excellent grasshopper - you have taken your first small step towards
enlightenment! I am actually very surprised that you were able to think of
this. It is such a *long* way from your usually Pollyanna "the free market
will fix everything" stand on every issue.

I asked this same question in the mid 70's as I first realized the awesome
power of embedded microprocessors combined with Moore's curve.

As you grapple with the question you just asked, you may slowly come to
understand that the current system will *have* to lead to massive numbers of
unemployed and underemployed. Nobody works as cheap as a $0.10 chip. Not
even the third world; things will *have* to change in some fundamental way.
We can't all be programmers. See if you are able to draw the path from the
reduction of traditional jobs to where we *must* go. It could lead to very
good places, or complete chaos.The most important question is "will this
change be under control, or will it be thrust upon us?" If we steer towards
where we want to go, we may actually get there. If our only tiller is greed
and competition, we *will* go to compete anarchy. The first step down the
wrong path is stratification of society into a few rich, and the rest very
poor. The currently shrinking middle class is a very ominous sign.

Think about it for about twenty years and you may finally see why I am a
liberal. As you ponder this, think about what I keep saying over and over:
"When the poor of our society do better, we all do better".

Mark Browne
P.S. Teachers will become *much* more important and valued in the future -
think 1 to 1 teacher / student ratio. Think through what that would mean to
the USAs position in the high tech and creative writing/theater/music/arts
arena. Think about why I identified these as the most important areas for
human endeavors.

"NOYB" wrote in message
...
Bill,
Harry's got a tough sell here. In most Gallup surveys, dentists and
engineers (I have a DDS and BSME) always poll in the top 10 to 15 most
trusted professions...and journalists and labor union brass always poll
near
the bottom. That's mighty difficult for a Narcissist to accept.

Though easy for a narcissist like you.