OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

The guys is either back-tracking on things he's said in the past...or he's
"not committing" right now.

Let the Weasly Watch begin!


September 20, 2003
Clark Explains Statement on Authorization for Iraq War
By JODI WILGOREN


OWA CITY, Sept. 19 - On the third day of his campaign, Gen. Wesley K. Clark
struggled today to clarify his statement on Thursday that he would
"probably" have voted for the Congressional resolution authorizing the
invasion of Iraq.

General Clark, a former NATO commander who has retired from the Army, never
denied making the statement in an interview with four reporters on his
chartered plane. But he seemed stunned by the headlines that it generated,
as supporters worried that he had undercut his position as an antiwar
candidate with military bona fides.

"I never would have voted for war," he said here this afternoon in an
interview and in response to a question after a lecture at the University of
Iowa. "What I would have voted for is leverage. Leverage for the United
States to avoid a war. That's what we needed to avoid a war."

Speaking about the resolution on Thursday, General Clark said, "At the time,
I probably would have voted for it, but I think that's too simple a
question."

He then added: "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways,
because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in
a position. On balance, I probably would have voted for it."

His clarification, along with a slapped-together schedule in which he met
few voters and offered no specifics on domestic issues, seemed to reflect
the inexperience of the first-time candidate and disorganization in his
nascent campaign.

His debut day in Iowa, whose early caucus is crucial to the Democratic
Party's nomination process, was barely a toe touch, with a brief diner stop
and a pageant of 10-minute news media interviews crammed between private
receptions surrounding the long-scheduled nonpolitical lecture, for which a
foundation paid $25,000. (General Clark receives 80 percent.)

Despite his disappointment with reports of his airborne interview, including
one in The New York Times, General Clark seemed as comfortable as could be
in his new role as candidate, stopping frequently to slap shoulders as he
strode across the university campus.

Although he considered a presidential race for a month, he balked at most
questions, saying he would spend this weekend at home in Little Rock, Ark.,
working on policy positions. Among the issues he told voters he was not
ready to discuss in detail were health care, education, employment, AIDS in
Africa, the USA Patriot Act and medical marijuana. In interviews this
afternoon, he referred to a talking-point tip sheet on the hot local issues
of ethanol and farm subsidies.

"I don't know enough to give you a comprehensive answer at this point," he
said in response to a voter's question about universal health insurance. "I
know enough not to give you a comprehensive answer at this point."

Regarding a complicated proposal about financing AIDS research and
prevention abroad, he said, "I'm not committing anything right now to
anything, until I've got my economic facts and figures in order."

snip

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"NOYB" wrote in message
...

The guys is either back-tracking on things he's said in the past...or he's
"not committing" right now.

Let the Weasly Watch begin!


September 20, 2003
Clark Explains Statement on Authorization for Iraq War
By JODI WILGOREN


OWA CITY, Sept. 19 - On the third day of his campaign, Gen. Wesley K.
Clark
struggled today to clarify his statement on Thursday that he would
"probably" have voted for the Congressional resolution authorizing the
invasion of Iraq.

General Clark, a former NATO commander who has retired from the Army,
never
denied making the statement in an interview with four reporters on his
chartered plane. But he seemed stunned by the headlines that it generated,
as supporters worried that he had undercut his position as an antiwar
candidate with military bona fides.

"I never would have voted for war," he said here this afternoon in an
interview and in response to a question after a lecture at the University
of
Iowa. "What I would have voted for is leverage. Leverage for the United
States to avoid a war. That's what we needed to avoid a war."

Speaking about the resolution on Thursday, General Clark said, "At the
time,
I probably would have voted for it, but I think that's too simple a
question."

He then added: "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both
ways,
because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself
in
a position. On balance, I probably would have voted for it."

His clarification, along with a slapped-together schedule in which he met
few voters and offered no specifics on domestic issues, seemed to reflect
the inexperience of the first-time candidate and disorganization in his
nascent campaign.

His debut day in Iowa, whose early caucus is crucial to the Democratic
Party's nomination process, was barely a toe touch, with a brief diner
stop
and a pageant of 10-minute news media interviews crammed between private
receptions surrounding the long-scheduled nonpolitical lecture, for which
a
foundation paid $25,000. (General Clark receives 80 percent.)

Despite his disappointment with reports of his airborne interview,
including
one in The New York Times, General Clark seemed as comfortable as could be
in his new role as candidate, stopping frequently to slap shoulders as he
strode across the university campus.

Although he considered a presidential race for a month, he balked at most
questions, saying he would spend this weekend at home in Little Rock,
Ark.,
working on policy positions. Among the issues he told voters he was not
ready to discuss in detail were health care, education, employment, AIDS
in
Africa, the USA Patriot Act and medical marijuana. In interviews this
afternoon, he referred to a talking-point tip sheet on the hot local
issues
of ethanol and farm subsidies.

"I don't know enough to give you a comprehensive answer at this point," he
said in response to a voter's question about universal health insurance.
"I
know enough not to give you a comprehensive answer at this point."

Regarding a complicated proposal about financing AIDS research and
prevention abroad, he said, "I'm not committing anything right now to
anything, until I've got my economic facts and figures in order."

snip

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 04:26:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


The guys is either back-tracking on things he's said in the past...or he's
"not committing" right now.

Let the Weasly Watch begin!


September 20, 2003
Clark Explains Statement on Authorization for Iraq War
By JODI WILGOREN


OWA CITY, Sept. 19 - On the third day of his campaign, Gen. Wesley K. Clark
struggled today to clarify his statement on Thursday that he would
"probably" have voted for the Congressional resolution authorizing the
invasion of Iraq.

General Clark, a former NATO commander who has retired from the Army, never
denied making the statement in an interview with four reporters on his
chartered plane. But he seemed stunned by the headlines that it generated,
as supporters worried that he had undercut his position as an antiwar
candidate with military bona fides.

"I never would have voted for war," he said here this afternoon in an
interview and in response to a question after a lecture at the University of
Iowa. "What I would have voted for is leverage. Leverage for the United
States to avoid a war. That's what we needed to avoid a war."

Speaking about the resolution on Thursday, General Clark said, "At the time,
I probably would have voted for it, but I think that's too simple a
question."

He then added: "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways,
because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in
a position. On balance, I probably would have voted for it."

His clarification, along with a slapped-together schedule in which he met
few voters and offered no specifics on domestic issues, seemed to reflect
the inexperience of the first-time candidate and disorganization in his
nascent campaign.

His debut day in Iowa, whose early caucus is crucial to the Democratic
Party's nomination process, was barely a toe touch, with a brief diner stop
and a pageant of 10-minute news media interviews crammed between private
receptions surrounding the long-scheduled nonpolitical lecture, for which a
foundation paid $25,000. (General Clark receives 80 percent.)

Despite his disappointment with reports of his airborne interview, including
one in The New York Times, General Clark seemed as comfortable as could be
in his new role as candidate, stopping frequently to slap shoulders as he
strode across the university campus.

Although he considered a presidential race for a month, he balked at most
questions, saying he would spend this weekend at home in Little Rock, Ark.,
working on policy positions. Among the issues he told voters he was not
ready to discuss in detail were health care, education, employment, AIDS in
Africa, the USA Patriot Act and medical marijuana. In interviews this
afternoon, he referred to a talking-point tip sheet on the hot local issues
of ethanol and farm subsidies.

"I don't know enough to give you a comprehensive answer at this point," he
said in response to a voter's question about universal health insurance. "I
know enough not to give you a comprehensive answer at this point."

Regarding a complicated proposal about financing AIDS research and
prevention abroad, he said, "I'm not committing anything right now to
anything, until I've got my economic facts and figures in order."

snip

Politicians in general (left, right, in-between) develop a wonderful
ability to actually chew words as they say them. It helps digestion,
in the likely event that they will have to eat those same words at a
later date.

It is unfortunate for our country that he who minces most is most
often elected, but we have ourselves to blame. Perhaps we didn't
create the system, but we *are* the system, and we don't seem inclined
to change it.

Straight-shooters scare the funders, put the media into a frenzy, and
generally don't get elected. It's become our heritage. It stinks.
noah

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"NOYB" wrote in message
...

The guys is either back-tracking on things he's said in the past...or he's
"not committing" right now.

Give the guy five minutes to get his feet wet. There's not a person on
earth who could step into this kind of scrutiny and not be thrashed,
especially someone who hasn't polished his skills as a professional
politician for a couple of decades.

He's a player and he's going to effect the outcome of this election, either
as a Presidential nominee or the VP.

Southern military man with a long record of successful and continually
higher profile leadership responsiblities. He's Karl Rove's worst
nightmare.

jps

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What's this?

NOYB running scared of a Democrat?




http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm

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Damn, after one day and jps is already backing down from his prediction
that Weasly would be the next president. Talk about being slick.


"jps" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...

The guys is either back-tracking on things he's said in the past...or
he's
"not committing" right now.

Give the guy five minutes to get his feet wet. There's not a person on
earth who could step into this kind of scrutiny and not be thrashed,
especially someone who hasn't polished his skills as a professional
politician for a couple of decades.

He's a player and he's going to effect the outcome of this election,
either
as a Presidential nominee or the VP.

Southern military man with a long record of successful and continually
higher profile leadership responsiblities. He's Karl Rove's worst
nightmare.

jps

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Gould 0738 wrote:
What's this?

NOYB running scared of a Democrat?




http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm


I don't believe there is a more frightened poster in this newsgroup,
actually. He's a real Nervous Norvus.

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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:bJWab.391682$Oz4.176605@rwcrnsc54...
Damn, after one day and jps is already backing down from his prediction
that Weasly would be the next president. Talk about being slick.

you haven't been paying attention.

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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:bJWab.391682$Oz4.176605@rwcrnsc54...
Damn, after one day and jps is already backing down from his prediction
that Weasly would be the next president. Talk about being slick.

Is this "Weasley" name something that Limbaugh, Hannity, or some other kind
hearted, compassionate conservative dreamed up on the rw talk show format?

If so, this guy bears looking at. It would appear the right is *already*
mobilizing against this guy as if he were the male version of Hillary Clinton.
Anybody that can make the right pee themselves in fright is worth considering.
:-)

Most important aspect of a president? Leadership. It's been a missing
ingredient
at times. Look back in history- the government always worked best when we had
and effective leader at the helm- regardless of party affiliation.

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:bJWab.391682$Oz4.176605@rwcrnsc54...
Damn, after one day and jps is already backing down from his
prediction
that Weasly would be the next president. Talk about being slick.

Is this "Weasley" name something that Limbaugh, Hannity, or some other
kind
hearted, compassionate conservative dreamed up on the rw talk show format?

First time I've heard it. Pretty weak. Wouldn't doubt it came from the Fox
News crew but tooth boy could've come up with this moniker on his own.

If so, this guy bears looking at. It would appear the right is *already*
mobilizing against this guy as if he were the male version of Hillary
Clinton.
Anybody that can make the right pee themselves in fright is worth
considering.
:-)

He's a scary opponent. 30 year military man who's regarded as brilliant
strategist. Once he gets his sea legs he's going to be formidable. I think
no matter what, this guy is going to change the complexion of the election
cycle.

Most important aspect of a president? Leadership. It's been a missing
ingredient
at times. Look back in history- the government always worked best when we
had
and effective leader at the helm- regardless of party affiliation.

Our present leader is a testosterone driven child. We need someone with the
moral fiber, presence of mind, and a vision that'll help guide the country
back to self dignity and self restraint -- not possible with a sock puppet
(thanks to Joe Parsons) who's vision extends from protecting the super
wealthy all the way to the rich.

Bush and his administration are unraveling before our eyes. His Presidency
is a series of missteps based on hopeful theories. It's a fitting
circumstance that Wesley Clark should show up just as the cascade of ****
begins piling at Bush's doorstep. Little Shrub is finished, the jig is up.

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:bJWab.391682$Oz4.176605@rwcrnsc54...
Damn, after one day and jps is already backing down from his
prediction
that Weasly would be the next president. Talk about being slick.

Is this "Weasley" name something that Limbaugh, Hannity, or some other
kind
hearted, compassionate conservative dreamed up on the rw talk show format?

Nicknames and epitaths are usually well earned. And, Generaal Confusion
seems to fit Clark due to his inability to remember his previous positions
on issues and his party affiliations.

If so, this guy bears looking at. It would appear the right is *already*
mobilizing against this guy as if he were the male version of Hillary
Clinton.
Anybody that can make the right pee themselves in fright is worth
considering.
:-)

A General officer that recieves backhanded compliments from peers is
something to be feared rather than adored.

Most important aspect of a president? Leadership. It's been a missing
ingredient
at times. Look back in history- the government always worked best when we
had
and effective leader at the helm- regardless of party affiliation.

Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets are
flying and showing them where to go.

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets are
flying and showing them where to go.


That seems vaguely familiar. Texas Air National Guard? Oh no, Daddy did
that stepping for him.

Oh yeah, it's what Bush does every time he's on the hot seat. He starts by
pointing his finger elsewhere. The buck stops "over there."

If bullets started flying, the smirking chimp would be clamoring to hide his
ass behind the the nearest anything, including one of his own.

Perhaps your criteria for Presidential leadership isn't feasible.

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Chuck,
Before 3 days ago, I have not heard of Weasly ( :) ), but if jps likes
him he has to be one dumb dude.

From what I have read in the past 3 days, he seems like he is another Ross
Perot, a successful man, who can go over the edge. I don't believe anyone
in either party (with the exception of jps) views him as a serious
candidate. He will be a great flash in the pan.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:bJWab.391682$Oz4.176605@rwcrnsc54...
Damn, after one day and jps is already backing down from his
prediction
that Weasly would be the next president. Talk about being slick.

Is this "Weasley" name something that Limbaugh, Hannity, or some other
kind
hearted, compassionate conservative dreamed up on the rw talk show format?

If so, this guy bears looking at. It would appear the right is *already*
mobilizing against this guy as if he were the male version of Hillary
Clinton.
Anybody that can make the right pee themselves in fright is worth
considering.
:-)

Most important aspect of a president? Leadership. It's been a missing
ingredient
at times. Look back in history- the government always worked best when we
had
and effective leader at the helm- regardless of party affiliation.

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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:to%ab.531878$uu5.87889@sccrnsc04...
Chuck,
Before 3 days ago, I have not heard of Weasly ( :) ), but if jps likes
him he has to be one dumb dude.

Yeah, me and what will be at least half the country by next November. But
then, that's no big deal since nearly half the country's votes went to the
idiot who now holds the office.

From what I have read in the past 3 days, he seems like he is another Ross
Perot, a successful man, who can go over the edge. I don't believe anyone
in either party (with the exception of jps) views him as a serious
candidate. He will be a great flash in the pan.

Except for Karl Rove and the rest of the Republican leadership. The fact
that you have no ability to foresee trends and opportunities is no surprise
to me.

What sort of products do you peddle Slick?

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Bert Robbins wrote:
.

Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets are
flying and showing them where to go.


Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.




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Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your point?
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to
do violence on their behalf......George Orwell.

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Mark Pilcher wrote:

Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your point?
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to
do violence on their behalf......George Orwell.


Oh..Markiepoop. Is it someone else's turn today to brutalize the prisoners?

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"Mark Pilcher" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your point?

Golly, I didn't know Harry was running!!? Congrats Harry!

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jps wrote:

"Mark Pilcher" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your point?

Golly, I didn't know Harry was running!!? Congrats Harry!



It would be worth running just to call Bush a piece of crap during every
speech.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Pilcher wrote:

Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your point?
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand
ready to
do violence on their behalf......George Orwell.


Oh..Markiepoop. Is it someone else's turn today to brutalize the
prisoners?


Harry, don't miss this oppourtunity to have the Lobsta' boat's demise
coincide with the hurricane Isabel. Then all you have to talk about is your
real boat.

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Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Pilcher wrote:

Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your point?
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand
ready to
do violence on their behalf......George Orwell.


Oh..Markiepoop. Is it someone else's turn today to brutalize the
prisoners?


Harry, don't miss this oppourtunity to have the Lobsta' boat's demise
coincide with the hurricane Isabel. Then all you have to talk about is your
real boat.




Sorry, Bertiepooper, but both boats survived. although the surge got
within three feet of Yo Ho, which was on the hard on a cradle at Harbour
Cove Marina. The other boat's on much higher ground.

So, Bertie, are you still servicing defrocked clergymen, or did you
break out in open sores again?



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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Pilcher wrote:

Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the
White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your
point?
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men
stand
ready to
do violence on their behalf......George Orwell.


Oh..Markiepoop. Is it someone else's turn today to brutalize the
prisoners?


Harry, don't miss this oppourtunity to have the Lobsta' boat's demise
coincide with the hurricane Isabel. Then all you have to talk about is
your
real boat.




Sorry, Bertiepooper, but both boats survived. although the surge got
within three feet of Yo Ho, which was on the hard on a cradle at Harbour
Cove Marina. The other boat's on much higher ground.

So, Bertie, are you still servicing defrocked clergymen, or did you
break out in open sores again?

Harry, is that the best you can come up with? I am disappointed why don't
you try again. Your insults and put-downs of a few years ago were much
better.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"Mark Pilcher" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the
White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your
point?

Golly, I didn't know Harry was running!!? Congrats Harry!



It would be worth running just to call Bush a piece of crap during every
speech.

You ever see mystery science theater 2000? Just think of what you could do
with a Bush speech, especially after a little time goes by so you can cut to
a comparison of what he promises matched up with what is actually delivered!
Perhaps the pop-up balloons would be the best way to tackle this. I am just
wondering - would it be comedy or a disaster documentary?

Mark Browne

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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Pilcher wrote:

Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the
White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your
point?
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men
stand
ready to
do violence on their behalf......George Orwell.


Oh..Markiepoop. Is it someone else's turn today to brutalize the
prisoners?


Harry, don't miss this oppourtunity to have the Lobsta' boat's demise
coincide with the hurricane Isabel. Then all you have to talk about is
your
real boat.




Sorry, Bertiepooper, but both boats survived. although the surge got
within three feet of Yo Ho, which was on the hard on a cradle at Harbour
Cove Marina. The other boat's on much higher ground.

So, Bertie, are you still servicing defrocked clergymen, or did you
break out in open sores again?

Harry, is that the best you can come up with? I am disappointed why don't
you try again. Your insults and put-downs of a few years ago were much
better.



Sorry you didn't like it, Bertiepooper, but...some months ago I stated I
no longer would waste any energy here on right-wing trash. And, as you
are...well, that's all you get.

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

Harry, is that the best you can come up with? I am disappointed why don't
you try again. Your insults and put-downs of a few years ago were much
better.

I don't know Bert, made me laugh pretty hard.

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Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"Mark Pilcher" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the
White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your
point?

Golly, I didn't know Harry was running!!? Congrats Harry!



It would be worth running just to call Bush a piece of crap during every
speech.

You ever see mystery science theater 2000? Just think of what you could do
with a Bush speech, especially after a little time goes by so you can cut to
a comparison of what he promises matched up with what is actually delivered!
Perhaps the pop-up balloons would be the best way to tackle this. I am just
wondering - would it be comedy or a disaster documentary?

Mark Browne




Not so distant. It's going to be done, perhaps not with pop-up balloons,
but with his visage, speaking his words and those of his administration,
followed by the truth and what actually took place. They won't be
candidate-sponsored, they'll be organizationally sponsored.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"Mark Pilcher" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the
White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your
point?

Golly, I didn't know Harry was running!!? Congrats Harry!



It would be worth running just to call Bush a piece of crap during
every
speech.

You ever see mystery science theater 2000? Just think of what you could
do
with a Bush speech, especially after a little time goes by so you can
cut to
a comparison of what he promises matched up with what is actually
delivered!
Perhaps the pop-up balloons would be the best way to tackle this. I am
just
wondering - would it be comedy or a disaster documentary?

Mark Browne




Not so distant. It's going to be done, perhaps not with pop-up balloons,
but with his visage, speaking his words and those of his administration,
followed by the truth and what actually took place. They won't be
candidate-sponsored, they'll be organizationally sponsored.

--
* * *
email sent to will *never* get to me.

Sic 'em Illco!

Harry,
BTW - You seem to travel in the right circles to know the answers on this
one:

Why have I never seen a union take the unemployed members and start some
kind of venture without waiting for a capitalist to offer work?
Is there some rule that prevents the union from starting co-ops to put the
boys to work?
Or has this never come up?

Mark Browne

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

Mark Browne wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"Mark Pilcher" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the
White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your
point?

Golly, I didn't know Harry was running!!? Congrats Harry!



It would be worth running just to call Bush a piece of crap during
every
speech.

You ever see mystery science theater 2000? Just think of what you could
do
with a Bush speech, especially after a little time goes by so you can
cut to
a comparison of what he promises matched up with what is actually
delivered!
Perhaps the pop-up balloons would be the best way to tackle this. I am
just
wondering - would it be comedy or a disaster documentary?

Mark Browne




Not so distant. It's going to be done, perhaps not with pop-up balloons,
but with his visage, speaking his words and those of his administration,
followed by the truth and what actually took place. They won't be
candidate-sponsored, they'll be organizationally sponsored.

--
* * *
email sent to will *never* get to me.

Sic 'em Illco!

Harry,
BTW - You seem to travel in the right circles to know the answers on this
one:

Why have I never seen a union take the unemployed members and start some
kind of venture without waiting for a capitalist to offer work?
Is there some rule that prevents the union from starting co-ops to put the
boys to work?
Or has this never come up?

Mark Browne


If you are talking about construction workers, I suspect it is because
the trades unions don't want to put themselves in competition with the
signatory contractors, or actually get into the contracting business.

Most of the skilled trades unions have programs that help unemployed
members get good work. They might have to travel a little if work is
slow in one place, but if they travel to another, they get a travel
allowance and other benefits.

Also, the unions and their contractor counterparts invest a substantial
amount of pension money into solid construction projects, either
construction loans or permanent financing. That provides tens of
thousands of jobs every year for union members.


--
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email sent to will *never* get to me.

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
et...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"Mark Pilcher" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the
White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your
point?

Golly, I didn't know Harry was running!!? Congrats Harry!



It would be worth running just to call Bush a piece of crap during
every
speech.

You ever see mystery science theater 2000? Just think of what you could
do
with a Bush speech, especially after a little time goes by so you can
cut to
a comparison of what he promises matched up with what is actually
delivered!
Perhaps the pop-up balloons would be the best way to tackle this. I am
just
wondering - would it be comedy or a disaster documentary?

Mark Browne




Not so distant. It's going to be done, perhaps not with pop-up balloons,
but with his visage, speaking his words and those of his administration,
followed by the truth and what actually took place. They won't be
candidate-sponsored, they'll be organizationally sponsored.

--
* * *
email sent to will *never* get to me.

Sic 'em Illco!

Harry,
BTW - You seem to travel in the right circles to know the answers on this
one:

Why have I never seen a union take the unemployed members and start some
kind of venture without waiting for a capitalist to offer work?
Is there some rule that prevents the union from starting co-ops to put the
boys to work?
Or has this never come up?

Mark Browne



The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union fatcats.

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
et...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"Mark Pilcher" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT--Weaslyl watch begins
From: Harry Krause

Well, that certainly excludes the piece of crap now occupying the
White
House. He couldn't even finish his stint in the Texas ANG.

Both you, and the former C-in-C didn't even serve, so what's your
point?

Golly, I didn't know Harry was running!!? Congrats Harry!



It would be worth running just to call Bush a piece of crap during
every
speech.

You ever see mystery science theater 2000? Just think of what you
could
do
with a Bush speech, especially after a little time goes by so you can
cut to
a comparison of what he promises matched up with what is actually
delivered!
Perhaps the pop-up balloons would be the best way to tackle this. I am
just
wondering - would it be comedy or a disaster documentary?

Mark Browne




Not so distant. It's going to be done, perhaps not with pop-up balloons,
but with his visage, speaking his words and those of his administration,
followed by the truth and what actually took place. They won't be
candidate-sponsored, they'll be organizationally sponsored.

--
* * *
email sent to will *never* get to me.

Sic 'em Illco!

Harry,
BTW - You seem to travel in the right circles to know the answers on this
one:

Why have I never seen a union take the unemployed members and start some
kind of venture without waiting for a capitalist to offer work?
Is there some rule that prevents the union from starting co-ops to put the
boys to work?
Or has this never come up?


Unions are parasites, they need to fee off of someone else. If they were to
form a venture or co-op then they would only have themselves to blame when
they couldn't meet the unions demands for increased wages and benefits.
Unions are not the driving force in our economy they are only a pool of
labor, mostly an expensive pool of labor.

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

snip
The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house) and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it *can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness.

Mark Browne

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53...
snip
The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house) and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it *can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today?

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

What happened up here was that the Seabrook Power Station project severery
inflated the number of the construction unions members. Not only were they
coming from all over the country but many of the local people (myself
included) were vacuumed into the unions to provide enough workers to build
that critter.

When that job ended - there was no way in hell the unions could find work
for THAT many people and many of us just drifted off into other areas of
work.

That said, I find my participation in that project some of the most
rewarding few years of my life and I look back on it fondly. And I learned a
LOT.

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:KGWdnVr5I6fUX_GiU-

If you are talking about construction workers, I suspect it is because
the trades unions don't want to put themselves in competition with the
signatory contractors, or actually get into the contracting business.

Most of the skilled trades unions have programs that help unemployed
members get good work. They might have to travel a little if work is
slow in one place, but if they travel to another, they get a travel
allowance and other benefits.

Also, the unions and their contractor counterparts invest a substantial
amount of pension money into solid construction projects, either
construction loans or permanent financing. That provides tens of
thousands of jobs every year for union members.


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OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04...

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53...
snip
The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left
with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend
for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they
can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to
union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union
organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house)
and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it
out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it
*can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get
rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John
Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I
can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in
line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or
not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to
$20k today?

Because the price has risen with inflation.
Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk
lately?
Next question.

Mark Browne
P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave
labor - think how cheap his car would be then!

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04...

Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to
$20k today?

Why would the same car assembled from parts cost $100K today?

Same answer: Greed

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

Clams Canino wrote:
What happened up here was that the Seabrook Power Station project severery
inflated the number of the construction unions members. Not only were they
coming from all over the country but many of the local people (myself
included) were vacuumed into the unions to provide enough workers to build
that critter.

When that job ended - there was no way in hell the unions could find work
for THAT many people and many of us just drifted off into other areas of
work.

That said, I find my participation in that project some of the most
rewarding few years of my life and I look back on it fondly. And I learned a
LOT.

-W


There are lots of union construction workers, especially in highly
skilled trades, who travel around the country from job to job because
they like to work that way and they cna earn big bucks doing so.
Steamfitters, especially, are in high demand for powerplant work,
because they are the only ones qualified to make the necessary welds.

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53...

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04...

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53...
snip
The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left
with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend
for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they
can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to
union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union
organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house)
and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it
out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it
*can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get
rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John
Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I
can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in
line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or
not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to
$20k today?

Because the price has risen with inflation.
Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk
lately?
Next question.

Mark Browne
P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave
labor - think how cheap his car would be then!




Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for those good old
days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse.

How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark?

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:ov4bb.531246$o%2.233276@sccrnsc02...

Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for
those good old
days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse.

How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark?


I think you may have the wrong Mark bonehead. That Mark is one of yours.

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Jim -" wrote in message
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"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53...

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04...

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53...
snip
The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are
left
with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The
trend
for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize
they
can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year
to
union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union
organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board
house)
and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an
hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They
pull it
out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it
*can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to
get
rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file
sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and
John
Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years.
I
can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere
in
line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just
like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get
the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue.
Or
not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close
to
$20k today?

Because the price has risen with inflation.
Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk
lately?
Next question.

Mark Browne
P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave
labor - think how cheap his car would be then!




Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for
those good old
days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse.

How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark?

Jim,

You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the prison
guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to
insult engineers, have at it.

BTW - what is it you do again?

Mark Browne

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

Mark Browne wrote:

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:ov4bb.531246$o%2.233276@sccrnsc02...

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53...

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04...

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53...
snip
The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change?

BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US
workforce? Take
away the teachers union and the government workers and you are
left
with
unions
representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The
trend
for
union
membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize
they
can
earn better
pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year
to
union
fatcats.

I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union
organizers
were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board
house)
and
the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an
hour.
Would they have done this without the union?

Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They
pull it
out
and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it
*can* be
miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to
get
rid
of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include
firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file
sharing
software. Unions are something like that.

I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and
John
Deere.
Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years.
I
can
tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere
in
line.
There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful.

Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just
like
government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get
the
median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue.
Or
not.
It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness.

Mark Browne



Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close
to
$20k today?

Because the price has risen with inflation.
Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk
lately?
Next question.

Mark Browne
P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave
labor - think how cheap his car would be then!




Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for
those good old
days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse.

How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark?

Jim,

You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the prison
guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to
insult engineers, have at it.

BTW - what is it you do again?

Mark Browne




Jim is a card-carrying *member* of the American Guild of Amateur Fluffers.

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