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"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53... snip The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change? BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US workforce? Take away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with unions representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for union membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can earn better pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union fatcats. I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union organizers were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house) and the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour. Would they have done this without the union? Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it out and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it *can* be miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get rid of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing software. Unions are something like that. I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John Deere. Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I can tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in line. There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful. Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or not. It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness. Mark Browne Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Because the price has risen with inflation. Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk lately? Next question. Mark Browne P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave labor - think how cheap his car would be then! Hint: UAW wages/benefits in 200 amounted to approximately $62.78 per active hour worked. http://media.gm.com/division/uaw/03n...ts%20final.doc |
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"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:2I4bb.393772$Oz4.181050@rwcrnsc54... "Jim -" wrote in message news:ov4bb.531246$o%2.233276@sccrnsc02... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53... snip The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change? BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US workforce? Take away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with unions representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for union membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can earn better pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union fatcats. I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union organizers were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house) and the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour. Would they have done this without the union? Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it out and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it *can* be miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get rid of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing software. Unions are something like that. I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John Deere. Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I can tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in line. There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful. Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or not. It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness. Mark Browne Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Because the price has risen with inflation. Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk lately? Next question. Mark Browne P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave labor - think how cheap his car would be then! Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for those good old days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse. How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark? Jim, You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the prison guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to insult engineers, have at it. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains everything. So you agree with the $60+ hour wage/benefits the average high school educated UAW worker is making? |
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"jps" wrote in message ... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Why would the same car assembled from parts cost $100K today? Same answer: Greed Well, not exactly. I ran a company into the ground thinking like that. A part assembled into that car might end up costing about twice what the manufacturer pays for it. Even that is a fairly tight margin if you are selling through distribution. If you pay someone to store it for a few years, pay inventory taxes just for owing it, pay the overhead of counting it yearly and the overhead of selling each part one at a time instead of in a single batch, it ends up pricing at about four times the cost to buy it. Harsh, but true. They really do a ****-poor job of teaching this stuff during a engineering degree program. It is astounding the lessons you learn when you run your own business. (into the round) Since then, as I have worked for others, I have paid very close attention in the ins and outs of business finance. I have asked lots of questions and paid closes attention to financial details. If I were to run another company these sort of things would be handled a whole lot better. I have also spent a certain amount of time with the CEOs of several of the companies I have worked for. One of the question I have asked each of them is "why do you do it - you could make more money putting your investment in high yield investments?" Each and every one has answered in about the same way - control. If you work for someone else you might think that a particular product is going to hit it big next year. You may or may not be able to convince someone in management that this is going to be the Next Big Thing. More than likely not. If you are driving the train - you get to decide which track you take, and how much you will coal you will pour to the flames. A worker is essentially working with a fixed income. Within fairly narrow limits, you will make the same no matter what you do. A company CEO that uses money wisely can capitalize as needed to follow a plan. If he thinks that something is going to be the Next Big Thing, he can borrow the bucks, hire the people, and build away. Control of your (and others) destiny. They don't do a very good job of teaching this either. Mark Browne |
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"Jim -" wrote in message news:wS4bb.528876$YN5.352584@sccrnsc01... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:2I4bb.393772$Oz4.181050@rwcrnsc54... "Jim -" wrote in message news:ov4bb.531246$o%2.233276@sccrnsc02... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53... snip The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change? BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US workforce? Take away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with unions representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for union membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can earn better pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union fatcats. I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union organizers were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house) and the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour. Would they have done this without the union? Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it out and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it *can* be miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get rid of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing software. Unions are something like that. I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John Deere. Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I can tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in line. There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful. Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or not. It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness. Mark Browne Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Because the price has risen with inflation. Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk lately? Next question. Mark Browne P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave labor - think how cheap his car would be then! Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for those good old days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse. How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark? Jim, You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the prison guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to insult engineers, have at it. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains everything. Jim, Once again, you are confused. Electronic engineers have never successfully been able to organize an effective union in most industries. I have never worked under a union contract. Try again. Mark Browne |
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"Jim -" wrote in message
news:wS4bb.528876$YN5.352584@sccrnsc01... Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains everything. It doesn't explain why you're such a stupid ass. So you agree with the $60+ hour wage/benefits the average high school educated UAW worker is making? Jealous? I'll bet you are. Why should a high-school educated person make more than someone like you who completed two years at community college? It's just not fair! |
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"Mark Browne" wrote in message et... "jps" wrote in message ... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Why would the same car assembled from parts cost $100K today? Same answer: Greed Well, not exactly. I ran a company into the ground .... If I were to run another company snip Mark Browne Yes, if you ran another company you would most likely run it into the ground also. :-) A pretty smart fella you are Mark. |
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"Mark Browne" wrote in message et... "Jim -" wrote in message news:wS4bb.528876$YN5.352584@sccrnsc01... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:2I4bb.393772$Oz4.181050@rwcrnsc54... "Jim -" wrote in message news:ov4bb.531246$o%2.233276@sccrnsc02... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53... snip The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change? BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US workforce? Take away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with unions representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for union membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can earn better pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union fatcats. I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union organizers were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house) and the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour. Would they have done this without the union? Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it out and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it *can* be miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get rid of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing software. Unions are something like that. I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John Deere. Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I can tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in line. There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful. Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or not. It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness. Mark Browne Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Because the price has risen with inflation. Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk lately? Next question. Mark Browne P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave labor - think how cheap his car would be then! Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for those good old days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse. How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark? Jim, You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the prison guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to insult engineers, have at it. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains everything. Jim, Once again, you are confused. Electronic engineers have never successfully been able to organize an effective union in most industries. I have never worked under a union contract. Try again. Mark Browne OK, so I was wrong. But you did admit that you previously ran a company into the ground. You obviously lack the basic knowledge on what it takes to run a successful business. |
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"Jim -" wrote in message
et... OK, so I was wrong. But you did admit that you previously ran a company into the ground. You obviously lack the basic knowledge on what it takes to run a successful business. Someone tells you that they ran a company out of business and you use it against them when your grasping at straws fails to make him look bad? You are one scummy piece of **** Dennis. |
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jps wrote:
"Jim -" wrote in message news:wS4bb.528876$YN5.352584@sccrnsc01... Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains everything. It doesn't explain why you're such a stupid ass. So you agree with the $60+ hour wage/benefits the average high school educated UAW worker is making? Jealous? I'll bet you are. Why should a high-school educated person make more than someone like you who completed two years at community college? It's just not fair! Isn't it amazing the amount of resentment and jealousy the right-wing trash feels towards unionized workers? I see a lot of it in my organizing work, the marginally successful right-wingers looking over their shoulders at a blue-collar worker gaining on them economically. They *really* are resentful and insecure. For evidence, you need look no farther than the right-wing trash on this newsgroup. email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Jim -" wrote in message
news:q85bb.394578$cF.121516@rwcrnsc53... Yes, if you ran another company you would most likely run it into the ground also. :-) A pretty smart fella you are Mark. And as Harry would say, you're a rectal fissure Dennis. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jps wrote: "Jim -" wrote in message news:wS4bb.528876$YN5.352584@sccrnsc01... Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains everything. It doesn't explain why you're such a stupid ass. So you agree with the $60+ hour wage/benefits the average high school educated UAW worker is making? Jealous? I'll bet you are. Why should a high-school educated person make more than someone like you who completed two years at community college? It's just not fair! Isn't it amazing the amount of resentment and jealousy the right-wing trash feels towards unionized workers? I see a lot of it in my organizing work, the marginally successful right-wingers looking over their shoulders at a blue-collar worker gaining on them economically. They *really* are resentful and insecure. For evidence, you need look no farther than the right-wing trash on this newsgroup. Yep, education is meaningless to most union workers like you. Get a high school education (or GED), apply for a union job and soon you too will be making $62/hour with benefits. Who needs and education, right Harry? Thankfully the best days of the unions are behind us. Unions account for less than 16% of the total workforce and shrinking. But hold onto to those teachers...they are, after all, your last stronghold and your last resort of any show of an educated union work force. |
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"Jim -" wrote in message
news:Yz5bb.394120$Oz4.182419@rwcrnsc54... Yep, education is meaningless to most union workers like you. Get a high school education (or GED), apply for a union job and soon you too will be making $62/hour with benefits. Who needs and education, right Harry? Thankfully the best days of the unions are behind us. Unions account for less than 16% of the total workforce and shrinking. But hold onto to those teachers...they are, after all, your last stronghold and your last resort of any show of an educated union work force. Sorry, I forgot the most important part -- you're an *ignorant* rectal fissure. |
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jps wrote:
"Jim -" wrote in message news:Yz5bb.394120$Oz4.182419@rwcrnsc54... Yep, education is meaningless to most union workers like you. Get a high school education (or GED), apply for a union job and soon you too will be making $62/hour with benefits. Who needs and education, right Harry? Thankfully the best days of the unions are behind us. Unions account for less than 16% of the total workforce and shrinking. But hold onto to those teachers...they are, after all, your last stronghold and your last resort of any show of an educated union work force. Sorry, I forgot the most important part -- you're an *ignorant* rectal fissure. Trash like JimBlobBoy here do not understand that this country was built on the backs of working men and women, people without much formal education for the most part. I know some electricians in San Francisco who are just completing their four and five year apprenticeships, during which they took more pertinent, job-related college-level courses than most college grads take while getting a B.A. or B.S. degree...AND they have been working full-time all those years. I believe they'll be earning $70 an hour in wages and fringes right out the door, soon as their ticket is punched. What's JimBlobBoy do for a living, anyway? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Jim -" wrote in message news:q85bb.394578$cF.121516@rwcrnsc53... Yes, if you ran another company you would most likely run it into the ground also. :-) A pretty smart fella you are Mark. And as Harry would say, you're a rectal fissure Dennis. BTW, what occasioned Dennis Incontinent's transmogrification into JimBlobBoy? (Look it up, Dennis.) -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jps wrote: "Jim -" wrote in message news:Yz5bb.394120$Oz4.182419@rwcrnsc54... Yep, education is meaningless to most union workers like you. Get a high school education (or GED), apply for a union job and soon you too will be making $62/hour with benefits. Who needs and education, right Harry? Thankfully the best days of the unions are behind us. Unions account for less than 16% of the total workforce and shrinking. But hold onto to those teachers...they are, after all, your last stronghold and your last resort of any show of an educated union work force. Sorry, I forgot the most important part -- you're an *ignorant* rectal fissure. Trash like JimBlobBoy here do not understand that this country was built on the backs of working men and women, people without much formal education for the most part. Yes indeed, it *was*. It *was* also built on things like horse drawn carts and steam engines. But not anymore. Have you not noticed? So you like to see people being repressed by minimizing the need for higher education and keeping them behind that old assembly line? Apparently so. Thus the mantra of the Democratic party and the unions...keep 'em stupid and keep their allegiance. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jps wrote: "Jim -" wrote in message news:q85bb.394578$cF.121516@rwcrnsc53... Yes, if you ran another company you would most likely run it into the ground also. :-) A pretty smart fella you are Mark. And as Harry would say, you're a rectal fissure Dennis. BTW, what occasioned Dennis Incontinent's transmogrification into JimBlobBoy? (Look it up, Dennis.) The circle jerk and high five continues with old mindless jps (has he ever had an original thought) and Harry. |
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"Jim -" wrote in message
news:xI6bb.529819$Ho3.90217@sccrnsc03... Trash like JimBlobBoy here do not understand that this country was built on the backs of working men and women, people without much formal education for the most part. Yes indeed, it *was*. It *was* also built on things like horse drawn carts and steam engines. But not anymore. Have you not noticed? So you like to see people being repressed by minimizing the need for higher education and keeping them behind that old assembly line? Apparently so. Thus the mantra of the Democratic party and the unions...keep 'em stupid and keep their allegiance. Dennis' brain is from the steam age and, unfortunately, it's a particularly bad vintage. He clearly doesn't realize that it's everyone's free will to either live under the umbrella of the unions or take your skills elsewhere. For many, the unions keep their wages above the sub-subsistence level the cheap ******* Republicans make certain the minimum wage stays. When it comes to keepin' 'em dumb, minimum wage makes certain there's not a chance in the world of a person being able to pay enough rent, food and tuition to improve themselves. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... jps wrote: BTW, what occasioned Dennis Incontinent's transmogrification into JimBlobBoy? (Look it up, Dennis.) He couldn't bear to show his face as Dennis the Menace anymore. I'm pretty sure he ran his business into the ground since he now posts from an AOL account. He used to have his own domain. No longer. Poor Dennis. Trying to get by in a 8 cylinder world on a 4 banger. |
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"Jim -" wrote in message et... "Mark Browne" wrote in message et... "Jim -" wrote in message news:wS4bb.528876$YN5.352584@sccrnsc01... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:2I4bb.393772$Oz4.181050@rwcrnsc54... "Jim -" wrote in message news:ov4bb.531246$o%2.233276@sccrnsc02... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53... snip The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change? BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US workforce? Take away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with unions representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for union membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can earn better pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union fatcats. I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union organizers were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house) and the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour. Would they have done this without the union? Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it out and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it *can* be miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get rid of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing software. Unions are something like that. I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John Deere. Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I can tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in line. There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful. Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or not. It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness. Mark Browne Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Because the price has risen with inflation. Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk lately? Next question. Mark Browne P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave labor - think how cheap his car would be then! Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for those good old days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse. How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark? Jim, You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the prison guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to insult engineers, have at it. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains everything. Jim, Once again, you are confused. Electronic engineers have never successfully been able to organize an effective union in most industries. I have never worked under a union contract. Try again. Mark Browne OK, so I was wrong. But you did admit that you previously ran a company into the ground. You obviously lack the basic knowledge on what it takes to run a successful business. Yes, I made some mistakes in my late twenties. That was a long time ago. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne |
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"Jim -" wrote in message news:q85bb.394578$cF.121516@rwcrnsc53... "Mark Browne" wrote in message et... "jps" wrote in message ... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Why would the same car assembled from parts cost $100K today? Same answer: Greed Well, not exactly. I ran a company into the ground .... If I were to run another company snip Mark Browne Yes, if you ran another company you would most likely run it into the ground also. :-) A pretty smart fella you are Mark. Jim, or whatever you are calling yourself today, When I was young and inexperienced I was rather idealistic about what a company should be run like. The real world is not kind to uninformed idealism. Since then, I have worked at some excellent companies and have paid very close attention to what they were doing right, and what I had been doing wrong. If I were to start another company it would be run on a sound financial basis. But don't let that trouble you. I know that you're learning business from our current administration. You would just spend money like a drunken sailor, secure in the knowledge that you could always borrow as much as you needed to meet the payroll and daily expenses. I would like to think I can learn from my mistakes. But, I don't suppose you understand this concept. It sounds like you follow the old principle; do nothing - do nothing wrong. I am also not so worried about my self image that I can't ever admit to having made a mistake. Did you every make mistakes Jim? Does the thought that you might have made some mistakes make you nervous; perhaps more than a little anxious? You might feel better if you could master these feelings of inadequacy and self doubt. You can tell us; Harry's wife can help you with your problems. She knows about these things. Think about this Jim. If I try three or four companies and only one does not fail, then I will have a successful company. If you never try then you will never fail, but you will also never have your own company. If you bothered to read those book things, then you would know that self made millionaires start an average of three companies before they hit on the right combination of factors that bring success. What do you think of that Jim? Were the failed companies mistakes, or a necessary part of the learning process? Did I mention that business education tends to be long on theory, and short on real world issues? Well, I have spent as much time as I care to share in your business education. BTW - What exactly is it that you do? I have not gotten any answer from you - are you ashamed of what you do for a living? Did you make a mistake in your career selection? Is that why you envy those high paid union workers? You know, they would let you in if you really wanted to make more money. I'll bet Harry could put in a good word for you at the union hall! Mark Browne |
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How are the computer programmer unions fairing these days, jps? Do *you*
employ any union members? Why not? "jps" wrote in message ... "Jim -" wrote in message news:xI6bb.529819$Ho3.90217@sccrnsc03... Trash like JimBlobBoy here do not understand that this country was built on the backs of working men and women, people without much formal education for the most part. Yes indeed, it *was*. It *was* also built on things like horse drawn carts and steam engines. But not anymore. Have you not noticed? So you like to see people being repressed by minimizing the need for higher education and keeping them behind that old assembly line? Apparently so. Thus the mantra of the Democratic party and the unions...keep 'em stupid and keep their allegiance. Dennis' brain is from the steam age and, unfortunately, it's a particularly bad vintage. He clearly doesn't realize that it's everyone's free will to either live under the umbrella of the unions or take your skills elsewhere. For many, the unions keep their wages above the sub-subsistence level the cheap ******* Republicans make certain the minimum wage stays. When it comes to keepin' 'em dumb, minimum wage makes certain there's not a chance in the world of a person being able to pay enough rent, food and tuition to improve themselves. |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Unions are parasites, they need to fee off of someone else. If they were to form a venture or co-op then they would only have themselves to blame when they couldn't meet the unions demands for increased wages and benefits. Hehehe. I imagine them striking against themselves. And then beating themselves up for crossing the picket line. |
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Mark Browne wrote:
"Jim -" wrote in message et... "Mark Browne" wrote in message et... "Jim -" wrote in message news:wS4bb.528876$YN5.352584@sccrnsc01... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:2I4bb.393772$Oz4.181050@rwcrnsc54... "Jim -" wrote in message news:ov4bb.531246$o%2.233276@sccrnsc02... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:kf4bb.394222$cF.121555@rwcrnsc53... "Jim -" wrote in message news:9Z3bb.533979$uu5.89222@sccrnsc04... "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:XU3bb.394049$cF.121809@rwcrnsc53... snip The unions leach off the capitalists. Why should they change? BTW: What is union membership down to, about 13% of the total US workforce? Take away the teachers union and the government workers and you are left with unions representing a small percentage of the total US workforce. The trend for union membership has been on a downward slide as most workers realize they can earn better pay and better benefits without having to pay thousands each year to union fatcats. I was just chatting with a fellow today - he said that the union organizers were snooping around the place he works (a printed circuit board house) and the management suddenly felt the need to raise his pay 3 bucks an hour. Would they have done this without the union? Perhaps the union is just a tool in the hand of the worker. They pull it out and club companies that loose touch with reality. Like any tool, it *can* be miss-used. We all know that there are bunches of people that want to get rid of certain tools just because they can be mis-used. Examples include firearms, jet skis, private aircraft, encryption software, file sharing software. Unions are something like that. I used to live Waterloo Iowa. The only big employers are IBP and John Deere. Deere has done some pretty scummy things to the town over the years. I can tell you that the union is about the only force keeping John Deere in line. There *are* still situations in the USA were the union is useful. Please note that compensation and mission are separate issues. Just like government leadership jobs, I would like to see union leadership get the median wage of the workers. That might address the "fatcat" issue. Or not. It would still go a long ways towards addressing issues of fairness. Mark Browne Why does an average quality family car like a Chevy Impala cost close to $20k today? Because the price has risen with inflation. Have you checked out the price of a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk lately? Next question. Mark Browne P.S. I suspect that Jim secretly longs for the good old days of slave labor - think how cheap his car would be then! Yep, I am sure most of you highly trained prison guard workers yearn for those good old days. You had more people you could keep in line and abuse. How many inmates did you beat up, sexually abuse and extort today Mark? Jim, You are confused again. It is the *other* Mark (Pilcher) that is the prison guard. I am the electronic engineer one. But if makes you feel better to insult engineers, have at it. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne Ahh, so you are a union worker also, perhaps with the auto industry. That explains everything. Jim, Once again, you are confused. Electronic engineers have never successfully been able to organize an effective union in most industries. I have never worked under a union contract. Try again. Mark Browne OK, so I was wrong. But you did admit that you previously ran a company into the ground. You obviously lack the basic knowledge on what it takes to run a successful business. Yes, I made some mistakes in my late twenties. That was a long time ago. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne "Jim -" is a fluffer's apprentice. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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BTW - What exactly is it that you do? I have not gotten any answer from you - are you ashamed of what you do for a living? Did you make a mistake in your career selection? Is that why you envy those high paid union workers? You know, they would let you in if you really wanted to make more money. I'll bet Harry could put in a good word for you at the union hall! Mark Browne None of the unions with whom I have any connections are interested in apprentices without aptitude. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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How are the computer programmer unions fairing these days, jps? Do *you* employ any union members? Why not? Interesting, of those in my high school graduating class, 96% of whom went on to college, and many to top Ivy schools, not one - and I mean not one - professed a desire to be a dentist. physicians, yes lawyers, yes veterinarians, yes journalists, yes teachers, yes, nurses, yes and so on and so forth. But no one wanted to be a dentist. Now I understand why. Too many rectal fissures like you in the field. "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to be...a dentist." Giggle. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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.. That was a long time ago. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne "Jim -" is a fluffer's apprentice. Harry, Since I don't have any information to the contrary, I will have to assume that you are correct. Thanks for clearing that up! Mark Browne |
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snip . That was a long time ago. BTW - what is it you do again? Mark Browne "Jim -" is a fluffer's apprentice. Harry, Since I don't have any information to the contrary, I will have to assume that you are correct. Thanks for clearing that up! Mark Browne You are welcome. I heard it on Fox News, so it has to be reich, er, right. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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I find it amazing that Harry actually believes anyone cares who, what or
where Harry's high school class when to school or what profession they ended up in. Has he always been so self centered? "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: How are the computer programmer unions fairing these days, jps? Do *you* employ any union members? Why not? Interesting, of those in my high school graduating class, 96% of whom went on to college, and many to top Ivy schools, not one - and I mean not one - professed a desire to be a dentist. physicians, yes lawyers, yes veterinarians, yes journalists, yes teachers, yes, nurses, yes and so on and so forth. But no one wanted to be a dentist. Now I understand why. Too many rectal fissures like you in the field. "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to be...a dentist." Giggle. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: How are the computer programmer unions fairing these days, jps? Do *you* employ any union members? Why not? Interesting, of those in my high school graduating class, 96% of whom went on to college, and many to top Ivy schools, not one - and I mean not one - professed a desire to be a dentist. physicians, yes lawyers, yes veterinarians, yes journalists, yes teachers, yes, nurses, yes and so on and so forth. But no one wanted to be a dentist. Now I understand why. Too many rectal fissures like you in the field. "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to be...a dentist." Giggle. Why would you want to be a dentist? I wonder what KYOB spends his days looking at? Hmmm ... Lets see - looking up peoples nose with a very bright light all day? Do you suppose he has nightmares about giant crusty boogers? On the other hand, you do get to enjoy the after-effects of a salad with extra garlic and onions. Do you think it is better the second time around? Could that be the attraction? How often do you suppose a working dentist has to get checked to see if he got AIDS from a scratch while working? Do you think that double gloving will prevent blood born diseases? I suppose this stuff justifies the high wages - why else would anybody put up with it? No wonder dentist off themselves in such high numbers! Mark Browne PS - Damn spell checker - it keeps trying to chang NYOB to KNOB. Is Bill Gates trying to tell me something? |
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Mark Browne wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: How are the computer programmer unions fairing these days, jps? Do *you* employ any union members? Why not? Interesting, of those in my high school graduating class, 96% of whom went on to college, and many to top Ivy schools, not one - and I mean not one - professed a desire to be a dentist. physicians, yes lawyers, yes veterinarians, yes journalists, yes teachers, yes, nurses, yes and so on and so forth. But no one wanted to be a dentist. Now I understand why. Too many rectal fissures like you in the field. "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to be...a dentist." Giggle. Why would you want to be a dentist? I wonder what KYOB spends his days looking at? Hmmm ... Lets see - looking up peoples nose with a very bright light all day? Do you suppose he has nightmares about giant crusty boogers? On the other hand, you do get to enjoy the after-effects of a salad with extra garlic and onions. Do you think it is better the second time around? Could that be the attraction? How often do you suppose a working dentist has to get checked to see if he got AIDS from a scratch while working? Do you think that double gloving will prevent blood born diseases? I suppose this stuff justifies the high wages - why else would anybody put up with it? No wonder dentist off themselves in such high numbers! Mark Browne PS - Damn spell checker - it keeps trying to chang NYOB to KNOB. Is Bill Gates trying to tell me something? NYOB has stated the reason he went into dentistry was to make bushels of money. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose. Most of the folks in the healing arts I know, however, went into their profession to help people. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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In message
physicians, yes lawyers, yes veterinarians, yes journalists, yes teachers, yes, nurses, yes and so on and so forth. But no one wanted to be a dentist. No one wanted to be a union worker...or editor for a two-bit union rag? |
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I gave several reasons for going to dental school: great hours (32 hrs. per
week), choose where I want to live, be my own boss, work with people (rather than computers at a desk), and, of course, earn an income that's in the top 5-8% of all professions. I earned a mechanical engineering degree, but decided corporate America and working for someone else didn't appeal to me. You come across as someone that's quite bitter in your career chce. You said before that the medical profession appealed to you, but you never had the aptitude in the sciences. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
.. . How are the computer programmer unions fairing these days, jps? Do *you* employ any union members? Why not? Computer programmers don't require a union to insure their fair treatment. You see, that's why unions were successful. If an industry pays its workers a fair wage and helps them with health care and retirement, unions aren't necessary. If programmers become a commodity and the industry begins taking advantage of them, I would think a union would be an appropriate answer. I expect a programmers union would be run particularly well since it'd include engineers and program managers. Do you employ union members doc? |
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Absolutely not. I'd go back to working solo if non-union assistants and
hygienists were unavailable. Why should they unionize? Dental assistants earn $15-20/hr plus benefits down here...and hygienists earn $32-35+. "jps" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message .. . How are the computer programmer unions fairing these days, jps? Do *you* employ any union members? Why not? Computer programmers don't require a union to insure their fair treatment. You see, that's why unions were successful. If an industry pays its workers a fair wage and helps them with health care and retirement, unions aren't necessary. If programmers become a commodity and the industry begins taking advantage of them, I would think a union would be an appropriate answer. I expect a programmers union would be run particularly well since it'd include engineers and program managers. Do you employ union members doc? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
... Absolutely not. I'd go back to working solo if non-union assistants and hygienists were unavailable. Why should they unionize? Dental assistants earn $15-20/hr plus benefits down here...and hygienists earn $32-35+. For the same reason you asked me if I employed union programmers... only you were attempting to imply something and I was just curious. |
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NOYB wrote:
I gave several reasons for going to dental school: great hours (32 hrs. per week), choose where I want to live, be my own boss, work with people (rather than computers at a desk), and, of course, earn an income that's in the top 5-8% of all professions. I earned a mechanical engineering degree, but decided corporate America and working for someone else didn't appeal to me. You come across as someone that's quite bitter in your career chce. You said before that the medical profession appealed to you, but you never had the aptitude in the sciences. As usual your interpretation is incorrect. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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jps wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message ... Absolutely not. I'd go back to working solo if non-union assistants and hygienists were unavailable. Why should they unionize? Dental assistants earn $15-20/hr plus benefits down here...and hygienists earn $32-35+. For the same reason you asked me if I employed union programmers... only you were attempting to imply something and I was just curious. People join unions for many reasons, including, of course, the opportunity for better wages and fringe benefits. But they also join for better, safer working conditions and for protection against tyrannical bosses. I suspect NOYB has a really difficult time keeping help. But, of course, that's to his financial advantage, eh? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head of the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets are flying and showing them where to go. General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's a snippet from his bio: "As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw combat in Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against the Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart and a Silver Star." (Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml) In the words of Teddy Kennedy about another Bush, "Where was George?" |
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Snafu wrote:
Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement: "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head of the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets are flying and showing them where to go. General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's a snippet from his bio: "As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw combat in Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against the Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart and a Silver Star." (Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml) In the words of Teddy Kennedy about another Bush, "Where was George?" Snorting coke and chasing skirts, of course. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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You sound like someone who had trouble holding a job. Have can not think of
any bad boss I ever had. Most people find it hard to hire and train good people and will bend over backwards to hold onto good employees. Maybe that is your problem, you were not a good employee. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jps wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message ... Absolutely not. I'd go back to working solo if non-union assistants and hygienists were unavailable. Why should they unionize? Dental assistants earn $15-20/hr plus benefits down here...and hygienists earn $32-35+. For the same reason you asked me if I employed union programmers... only you were attempting to imply something and I was just curious. People join unions for many reasons, including, of course, the opportunity for better wages and fringe benefits. But they also join for better, safer working conditions and for protection against tyrannical bosses. I suspect NOYB has a really difficult time keeping help. But, of course, that's to his financial advantage, eh? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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