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NOYB September 22nd 03 12:33 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...
Absolutely not. I'd go back to working solo if non-union assistants

and
hygienists were unavailable. Why should they unionize? Dental

assistants
earn $15-20/hr plus benefits down here...and hygienists earn $32-35+.


For the same reason you asked me if I employed union programmers...

only you were attempting to imply something and I was just curious.



People join unions for many reasons, including, of course, the
opportunity for better wages and fringe benefits. But they also join for
better, safer working conditions and for protection against tyrannical
bosses. I suspect NOYB has a really difficult time keeping help. But, of
course, that's to his financial advantage, eh?



You haven't had a correct "suspicion" in your life. I hired a hygienist, a
front desk receptionist, and an assistant a little over 3 1/2 years ago.
The front desk person just left 1 month ago to move to northern Florida for
retirement. Considering I'm only in business for 4 years, I'd say I have
about the lowest turnover rate of any medical/dental office in the area.





NOYB September 22nd 03 12:47 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:cY-cnUE-

You come across as someone that's quite bitter in your career choice.

You said
before that the medical profession appealed to you, but you never had

the
aptitude in the sciences.


As usual your interpretation is incorrect.


Sure it is. Here's what you said in May, 2000, Harry:

It all depends on what you want to do with your life.
When I started college, I wanted to be a medical doctor...until I ran into
p-chem. Couldn't hack it then, could now. Dunno why. So I fell back on my
second love, literature, and because an English major. Got a BA in that and
got an immediate job with a big time newspaper. Paper didn't care what the
degree was in, and still doesn't. Got a master's in English, too. Both
degrees have little "value" in a society that values degrees in "trade
school" subjects. Got another degree a couple of years ago in a sort of
trade school subject, but I did that for the pleasure of learning the
subject, not to practice the profession.

To me, a fault of modern society is that there is not enough emphasis on the
liberal arts.

Harry Krause



NOYB September 22nd 03 12:49 AM

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Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science courses, and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



"Bill Cole" wrote in message
et...
You sound like someone who had trouble holding a job. Have can not think

of
any bad boss I ever had. Most people find it hard to hire and train good
people and will bend over backwards to hold onto good employees.

Maybe that is your problem, you were not a good employee.



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...
Absolutely not. I'd go back to working solo if non-union assistants

and
hygienists were unavailable. Why should they unionize? Dental

assistants
earn $15-20/hr plus benefits down here...and hygienists earn $32-35+.

For the same reason you asked me if I employed union programmers...

only you were attempting to imply something and I was just curious.



People join unions for many reasons, including, of course, the
opportunity for better wages and fringe benefits. But they also join for
better, safer working conditions and for protection against tyrannical
bosses. I suspect NOYB has a really difficult time keeping help. But, of
course, that's to his financial advantage, eh?


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NOYB September 22nd 03 12:50 AM

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Since when did combat in Vietnam become a litmus test for a President?
Hell, they ran from that issue in 1992 and 1996...and now it's their battle
cry?



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Snafu wrote:

Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message

...
Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head

of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets

are
flying and showing them where to go.


General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's a
snippet from his bio:
"As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw combat

in
Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against the
Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart

and a
Silver Star."
(Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml)

In the words of Teddy Kennedy about another Bush, "Where was George?"



Snorting coke and chasing skirts, of course.

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Harry Krause September 22nd 03 12:53 AM

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NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science courses, and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of a
dentist.



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NOYB September 22nd 03 01:10 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science courses,

and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of a
dentist.


If you say so Walter Middy...



Harry Krause September 22nd 03 01:17 AM

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science courses,

and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of a
dentist.


If you say so Walter Middy...



Walter Middy? What an ignorant ass you are. As sure as the sun will rise
in the east tomorrow, you've never read any Thurber.

It's hard to think of any "professional" job worse than spending six or
eight hours a day peering into peoples' mouths, inhaling their bad
breath, sticking your fingers into their mouths, drilling holes in their
teeth, sopping up their saliva and blood and watching them grimace as
you cause them pain.

Blech. Emile Durkheim would have a blast with your psyche.



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Harry Krause September 22nd 03 01:19 AM

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:cY-cnUE-

You come across as someone that's quite bitter in your career choice.

You said
before that the medical profession appealed to you, but you never had

the
aptitude in the sciences.


As usual your interpretation is incorrect.


Sure it is. Here's what you said in May, 2000, Harry:

It all depends on what you want to do with your life.
When I started college, I wanted to be a medical doctor...until I ran into
p-chem. Couldn't hack it then, could now. Dunno why. So I fell back on my
second love, literature, and because an English major. Got a BA in that and
got an immediate job with a big time newspaper. Paper didn't care what the
degree was in, and still doesn't. Got a master's in English, too. Both
degrees have little "value" in a society that values degrees in "trade
school" subjects. Got another degree a couple of years ago in a sort of
trade school subject, but I did that for the pleasure of learning the
subject, not to practice the profession.

To me, a fault of modern society is that there is not enough emphasis on the
liberal arts.

Harry Krause




Yeah. Precisely what I posted before you posted this. Physical chemistry
did me in way back then, but for some unknown reason, I was able to
handle it years later. Go figure.

I never stated I had "no aptitude" in the sciences, dipstick. That's
your misinterpretation of what I posted. Not a surprise, since you're
not much of a reader...or thinker.




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NOYB September 22nd 03 01:20 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his

case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science courses,

and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of a
dentist.


If you say so Walter Middy...



Walter Middy? What an ignorant ass you are. As sure as the sun will rise
in the east tomorrow, you've never read any Thurber.

It's hard to think of any "professional" job worse than spending six or
eight hours a day peering into peoples' mouths, inhaling their bad
breath, sticking your fingers into their mouths, drilling holes in their
teeth, sopping up their saliva and blood and watching them grimace as
you cause them pain.

Blech. Emile Durkheim would have a blast with your psyche.


I'm having a blast with *your* psyche.



Harry Krause September 22nd 03 01:28 AM

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his

case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science courses,
and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of a
dentist.

If you say so Walter Middy...



Walter Middy? What an ignorant ass you are. As sure as the sun will rise
in the east tomorrow, you've never read any Thurber.

It's hard to think of any "professional" job worse than spending six or
eight hours a day peering into peoples' mouths, inhaling their bad
breath, sticking your fingers into their mouths, drilling holes in their
teeth, sopping up their saliva and blood and watching them grimace as
you cause them pain.

Blech. Emile Durkheim would have a blast with your psyche.


I'm having a blast with *your* psyche.



Only in your tweety-bird mind. The only reason I respond to any of your
posts is because your beliefs are so antediluvian, you represent the
perfect self-centered, selfish, I've-got-mine-so-screw-you conservative
Republican anti-societal piece of trash, and it is modest fun to stick a
fork in you. I would imagine people cross the street when they see you
so they are not in danger of your spattering slime on them.



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NOYB September 22nd 03 01:38 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his

case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science

courses,
and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my

undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took

that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we

lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have

no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave

me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional

life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of

a
dentist.

If you say so Walter Middy...



Walter Middy? What an ignorant ass you are. As sure as the sun will

rise
in the east tomorrow, you've never read any Thurber.

It's hard to think of any "professional" job worse than spending six or
eight hours a day peering into peoples' mouths, inhaling their bad
breath, sticking your fingers into their mouths, drilling holes in

their
teeth, sopping up their saliva and blood and watching them grimace as
you cause them pain.

Blech. Emile Durkheim would have a blast with your psyche.


I'm having a blast with *your* psyche.



Only in your tweety-bird mind. The only reason I respond to any of your
posts is because your beliefs are so antediluvian, you represent the
perfect self-centered, selfish, I've-got-mine-so-screw-you conservative
Republican anti-societal piece of trash, and it is modest fun to stick a
fork in you. I would imagine people cross the street when they see you
so they are not in danger of your spattering slime on them.


LOL. Well, I'm glad our BPD's can be so entertaining to each other.



Bert Robbins September 22nd 03 01:55 AM

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"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...
Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message

...
Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the head

of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets are
flying and showing them where to go.


General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's a
snippet from his bio:
"As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw combat in
Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against the
Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart and

a
Silver Star."
(Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml)


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with three
Purple Hearts. Your point is?

In the words of Teddy Kennedy about another Bush, "Where was George?"


As far as Teddy Kennedy goes he is irrelavent until he tells us why he left
Mary Jo behind.




Snafu September 22nd 03 04:11 AM

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...
Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message

...
Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the

head
of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets

are
flying and showing them where to go.


General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's a
snippet from his bio:
"As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw combat

in
Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against the
Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart

and
a
Silver Star."
(Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml)


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with

three
Purple Hearts. Your point is?


WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's leadership
ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the qualities that
you say a leader needs.



Snafu September 22nd 03 04:17 AM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
.. .
Since when did combat in Vietnam become a litmus test for a President?
Hell, they ran from that issue in 1992 and 1996...and now it's their

battle
cry?


No, Vietnam service is still not a litmus test. Your dittohead friend,
Bert, says a leader needs to be out front leading. I agree, and I'm saying
Wesley Clark has those leadership skills.

By the way, it's Wesley, not Weaslyl. Perhaps you should enable your
spell-checker.



jps September 22nd 03 04:23 AM

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"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along
with three Purple Hearts. Your point is?

WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's
leadership ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the

qualities
that you say a leader needs.



Bertie thinks GWB has all the leadership skills necessary to lead our
country.

Unfortunately Bertie makes a minor miscalculation, because the only place
George Bush is going to lead us is STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!



Gould 0738 September 22nd 03 04:55 AM

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Chuck,
Before 3 days ago, I have not heard of Weasly ( :) ), but if jps likes
him he has to be one dumb dude.

From what I have read in the past 3 days, he seems like he is another


Ross
Perot, a successful man, who can go over the edge. I don't believe anyone
in either party (with the exception of jps) views him as a serious
candidate. He will be a great flash in the pan.


Well, you guys with the (political) party hats on figure out who you're going
to run and then the rest of us will start looking seriously at the finalists.

Let's see: Republicans? Probably going to stick with the current dude. Won't
need to spend too much time speculating how he would run the country if
(re)elected.

Democrats? They have their work cut out for them this time around. Every vote
counts the same, and the conservatives have done a far more effective job of
organizing the thoughts and attitudes of the rw constituency. It's a basic
weakness of liberalism. Liberals say: "Go ahead and think whatever you want, as
long as it doesn't hurt somebody else." No F'n wonder the left is all over the
map!

Conservatives do have the handle on this thing. They tend to say: "Think like
this, exactly, or you are not patriotic and can't be considered a true
American! In our binary world you're either 110% behind George Bush or you
support the terrorist overthrow of the US." Doesn't do much for independent
thought, but then again who needs independent thought if it causes the party to
lose focus? ((Didn't we used to hear that such a statement was a dangerous
idea from Eastern Europe?))




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Harry Krause September 22nd 03 10:25 AM

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Snafu wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...
Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the

head
of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets

are
flying and showing them where to go.

General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's a
snippet from his bio:
"As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw combat

in
Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against the
Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart

and
a
Silver Star."
(Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml)


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with

three
Purple Hearts. Your point is?


WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's leadership
ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the qualities that
you say a leader needs.



If Clark were a Republican, Bert would be standing at attention and
saluting.

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Harry Krause September 22nd 03 10:26 AM

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jps wrote:

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along
with three Purple Hearts. Your point is?

WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's
leadership ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the

qualities
that you say a leader needs.



Bertie thinks GWB has all the leadership skills necessary to lead our
country.

Unfortunately Bertie makes a minor miscalculation, because the only place
George Bush is going to lead us is STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!


Bush couldn't lead an elementary school reading class.

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Bill Cole September 22nd 03 11:47 AM

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NOYB,
I think you have really hit a sore nerve with this dude, ; )

Sounds like the type of person who was fired from one too many jobs and now
lashes out at the world, including doctors.


"NOYB" wrote in message
.. .

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his

case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science

courses,
and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took

that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we

lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave

me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of a
dentist.

If you say so Walter Middy...



Walter Middy? What an ignorant ass you are. As sure as the sun will rise
in the east tomorrow, you've never read any Thurber.

It's hard to think of any "professional" job worse than spending six or
eight hours a day peering into peoples' mouths, inhaling their bad
breath, sticking your fingers into their mouths, drilling holes in their
teeth, sopping up their saliva and blood and watching them grimace as
you cause them pain.

Blech. Emile Durkheim would have a blast with your psyche.


I'm having a blast with *your* psyche.





Bill Cole September 22nd 03 11:51 AM

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Snafu,
That is a perfect response for rec.boats, now watch Twiddle Dee and Twiddle
Dum give you the high five.


"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...
Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the

head
of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets

are
flying and showing them where to go.

General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's

a
snippet from his bio:
"As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw

combat
in
Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against

the
Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart

and
a
Silver Star."
(Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml)


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with

three
Purple Hearts. Your point is?


WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's

leadership
ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the qualities that
you say a leader needs.





Bill Cole September 22nd 03 11:52 AM

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Twiddle Dum responds.


"jps" wrote in message
...
"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along
with three Purple Hearts. Your point is?

WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's
leadership ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the

qualities
that you say a leader needs.



Bertie thinks GWB has all the leadership skills necessary to lead our
country.

Unfortunately Bertie makes a minor miscalculation, because the only place
George Bush is going to lead us is STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!





Bill Cole September 22nd 03 11:53 AM

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and here is Twiddle Dee. Don't you guys know that if you keep this up it
will make you go blind. ; )


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along
with three Purple Hearts. Your point is?

WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's
leadership ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the

qualities
that you say a leader needs.



Bertie thinks GWB has all the leadership skills necessary to lead our
country.

Unfortunately Bertie makes a minor miscalculation, because the only

place
George Bush is going to lead us is STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!


Bush couldn't lead an elementary school reading class.

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Bill Cole September 22nd 03 12:00 PM

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Chuck,
Conservative do not necessarily think or believe any thoughts in unison, but
it appears that the Republican Party might try to use issues and political
messages in a more focused method than the Democratic Party.

I do believe there is a NG theory that you can always tell when someone
believes he has lost an argument, he begins to call the other side a
Communist or a Nazi. It is way to early in the campaign for you to give up.
:)

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Chuck,
Before 3 days ago, I have not heard of Weasly ( :) ), but if jps likes
him he has to be one dumb dude.

From what I have read in the past 3 days, he seems like he is another


Ross
Perot, a successful man, who can go over the edge. I don't believe

anyone
in either party (with the exception of jps) views him as a serious
candidate. He will be a great flash in the pan.


Well, you guys with the (political) party hats on figure out who you're

going
to run and then the rest of us will start looking seriously at the

finalists.

Let's see: Republicans? Probably going to stick with the current dude.

Won't
need to spend too much time speculating how he would run the country if
(re)elected.

Democrats? They have their work cut out for them this time around. Every

vote
counts the same, and the conservatives have done a far more effective job

of
organizing the thoughts and attitudes of the rw constituency. It's a basic
weakness of liberalism. Liberals say: "Go ahead and think whatever you

want, as
long as it doesn't hurt somebody else." No F'n wonder the left is all over

the
map!

Conservatives do have the handle on this thing. They tend to say: "Think

like
this, exactly, or you are not patriotic and can't be considered a true
American! In our binary world you're either 110% behind George Bush or you
support the terrorist overthrow of the US." Doesn't do much for

independent
thought, but then again who needs independent thought if it causes the

party to
lose focus? ((Didn't we used to hear that such a statement was a

dangerous
idea from Eastern Europe?))




http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm




Bill Cole September 22nd 03 12:15 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
The Secret Life of Walter Mitty was and probably still is, a required short
story for many high schools. While I found the story to be cute, it
definitely is not a litmus test for intelligence, nor is misspelling a word
or the name of short story, a litmus test for intelligence, but those who
think it is show their inability to think outside of the box. Talk about
anal retentive. ; )


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his

case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science courses,

and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of a
dentist.


If you say so Walter Middy...



Walter Middy? What an ignorant ass you are. As sure as the sun will rise
in the east tomorrow, you've never read any Thurber.

It's hard to think of any "professional" job worse than spending six or
eight hours a day peering into peoples' mouths, inhaling their bad
breath, sticking your fingers into their mouths, drilling holes in their
teeth, sopping up their saliva and blood and watching them grimace as
you cause them pain.

Blech. Emile Durkheim would have a blast with your psyche.



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Jim - September 22nd 03 12:56 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Bill,
Harry has a remarkably short memory when he thinks it can help his case.
More than 3 years ago, he said he couldn't hack the science courses,

and,
thus, never entered the medical profession. He's bitter.



The only "science" course that really gave me trouble in my undergrad
years was a gem called "physical chemistry." Interestingly, I took that
course again, just for the hell of it, from the U of F, while we lived
in Florida, and aced it. It was just about the same course. I have no
idea why I had no trouble with the course in my 50's and why it gave me
so much anxiety when I was 20.

Naw. I'm not bitter. I've done pretty well with my professional life.
It's certainly been more interesting - and rewarding - than that of a
dentist.


If you say so Walter Middy...



Walter Middy? What an ignorant ass you are. As sure as the sun will rise
in the east tomorrow, you've never read any Thurber.

It's hard to think of any "professional" job worse than spending six or
eight hours a day peering into peoples' mouths, inhaling their bad
breath, sticking your fingers into their mouths, drilling holes in their
teeth, sopping up their saliva and blood and watching them grimace as
you cause them pain.

Blech. Emile Durkheim would have a blast with your psyche.



I guess it beats having to shove ones head up the asses of the union bosses like you do
every day.


NOYB September 22nd 03 01:28 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Snafu" wrote in message
ink.net...

"NOYB" wrote in message
.. .
Since when did combat in Vietnam become a litmus test for a President?
Hell, they ran from that issue in 1992 and 1996...and now it's their

battle
cry?


No, Vietnam service is still not a litmus test. Your dittohead friend,
Bert, says a leader needs to be out front leading. I agree, and I'm

saying
Wesley Clark has those leadership skills.

By the way, it's Wesley, not Weaslyl. Perhaps you should enable your
spell-checker.


Actually, the typo was the last "l" that I inadvertently put at the end of
Weasly...a play on the name Wesley...and a more appropriate name for such a
weasel.







NOYB September 22nd 03 01:29 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
I don't think jerking *each other* off will do that.


"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:nwAbb.547273$o%2.240765@sccrnsc02...
and here is Twiddle Dee. Don't you guys know that if you keep this up it
will make you go blind. ; )


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along
with three Purple Hearts. Your point is?

WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's
leadership ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly

the
qualities
that you say a leader needs.


Bertie thinks GWB has all the leadership skills necessary to lead our
country.

Unfortunately Bertie makes a minor miscalculation, because the only

place
George Bush is going to lead us is STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!


Bush couldn't lead an elementary school reading class.

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NOYB September 22nd 03 01:32 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Snafu wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...
Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the

head
of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the

bullets
are
flying and showing them where to go.

General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam.

Here's a
snippet from his bio:
"As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw

combat
in
Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against

the
Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple

Heart
and
a
Silver Star."
(Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml)

John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with

three
Purple Hearts. Your point is?


WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's

leadership
ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the qualities

that
you say a leader needs.



If Clark were a Republican, Bert would be standing at attention and
saluting.



According to Howard Fineman in the current Newsweek magazine, it almost
happened...but the Republicans weren't interested. Clark was hurt that they
didn't want him. I guess another waffling, untruthful, pompous ass, former
Rhodes scholar from Little Rock didn't appeal to them.



Mark Browne September 22nd 03 01:50 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I don't think jerking *each other* off will do that.

snip
You have a lot of experience in this?

Mark Browne



Mark Browne September 22nd 03 01:56 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:QCAbb.549925$uu5.91282@sccrnsc04...
Chuck,
Conservative do not necessarily think or believe any thoughts in unison,

but
it appears that the Republican Party might try to use issues and political
messages in a more focused method than the Democratic Party.

I do believe there is a NG theory that you can always tell when someone
believes he has lost an argument, he begins to call the other side a
Communist or a Nazi. It is way to early in the campaign for you to give

up.
:)

snip
It would seem that this little theory give the current administration a
special advantage in newsgroup discussion - "you must be losing ; you claim
we are a bunch of Nazis!" That pretty much limits effective criticism of
Ashcroft's activities!

Mark Browne



NOYB September 22nd 03 02:00 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
Hehehe. Good one.

The answer is "no", however.


"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:deCbb.404985$Oz4.195994@rwcrnsc54...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I don't think jerking *each other* off will do that.

snip
You have a lot of experience in this?

Mark Browne





Bill Cole September 22nd 03 02:57 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
No, anyone who wants to discuss Ashcroft in a boat forum is welcome to do
so, and you can effectively criticize any of the administrations policies
for whatever reason you want to, the theory just states that whenever
someone calls someone a Nazi's or Communists, it normally means they feel
that they are losing the argument and are using these fear tactics as a last
ditch effort to win the argument. If you read NG often, you will see it
does have validity.



"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:ekCbb.405017$Oz4.196831@rwcrnsc54...

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:QCAbb.549925$uu5.91282@sccrnsc04...
Chuck,
Conservative do not necessarily think or believe any thoughts in unison,

but
it appears that the Republican Party might try to use issues and

political
messages in a more focused method than the Democratic Party.

I do believe there is a NG theory that you can always tell when someone
believes he has lost an argument, he begins to call the other side a
Communist or a Nazi. It is way to early in the campaign for you to give

up.
:)

snip
It would seem that this little theory give the current administration a
special advantage in newsgroup discussion - "you must be losing ; you

claim
we are a bunch of Nazis!" That pretty much limits effective criticism of
Ashcroft's activities!

Mark Browne





Gould 0738 September 22nd 03 03:33 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
Chuck,
Conservative do not necessarily think or believe any thoughts in unison, but
it appears that the Republican Party might try to use issues and political
messages in a more focused method than the Democratic Party.

I do believe there is a NG theory that you can always tell when someone
believes he has lost an argument, he begins to call the other side a
Communist or a Nazi. It is way to early in the campaign for you to give up.
:)



Allow me to clarify. I didn't call anybody a communist- but I did note a
certain similarity between the concept that one has to love the current leader
and his agenda to be considered a "patriot" and the regulation of thought and
expression for the supposed benefit of the state in certain countries not so
very long ago.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Chuck,
Before 3 days ago, I have not heard of Weasly ( :) ), but if jps likes
him he has to be one dumb dude.

From what I have read in the past 3 days, he seems like he is another


Ross
Perot, a successful man, who can go over the edge. I don't believe

anyone
in either party (with the exception of jps) views him as a serious
candidate. He will be a great flash in the pan.


Well, you guys with the (political) party hats on figure out who you're

going
to run and then the rest of us will start looking seriously at the

finalists.

Let's see: Republicans? Probably going to stick with the current dude.

Won't
need to spend too much time speculating how he would run the country if
(re)elected.

Democrats? They have their work cut out for them this time around. Every

vote
counts the same, and the conservatives have done a far more effective job

of
organizing the thoughts and attitudes of the rw constituency. It's a basic
weakness of liberalism. Liberals say: "Go ahead and think whatever you

want, as
long as it doesn't hurt somebody else." No F'n wonder the left is all over

the
map!

Conservatives do have the handle on this thing. They tend to say: "Think

like
this, exactly, or you are not patriotic and can't be considered a true
American! In our binary world you're either 110% behind George Bush or you
support the terrorist overthrow of the US." Doesn't do much for

independent
thought, but then again who needs independent thought if it causes the

party to
lose focus? ((Didn't we used to hear that such a statement was a

dangerous
idea from Eastern Europe?))




http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm










Bill Cole September 22nd 03 04:02 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
Chuck,
While you may hear the idea expressed in this NG or the talk shows by a few
people, most thinking conservative or liberals do not feel that one's
political ideology effects one ability to be a "patriot" or one's love of
country. A few radical talking heads might express that view, but it is
still a small percent of the citizen. To use the viewpoint of a few
conservatives as a representative viewpoint of the majority of conservatives
would the same as assuming that the majority of liberals would endorse the
antagonistic attitude, the "I dare you to knock this chip off my shoulder"
as expressed by jps, basskisser and Harry. Neither of these extremes are
representative of the majority. If I was a betting man, I would bet that a
large percent of the views expressed in this and other NG are not necessary
the viewpoint of the author, but a very effective way of trolling.





"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Chuck,
Conservative do not necessarily think or believe any thoughts in unison,

but
it appears that the Republican Party might try to use issues and

political
messages in a more focused method than the Democratic Party.

I do believe there is a NG theory that you can always tell when someone
believes he has lost an argument, he begins to call the other side a
Communist or a Nazi. It is way to early in the campaign for you to give

up.
:)



Allow me to clarify. I didn't call anybody a communist- but I did note a
certain similarity between the concept that one has to love the current

leader
and his agenda to be considered a "patriot" and the regulation of thought

and
expression for the supposed benefit of the state in certain countries not

so
very long ago.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Chuck,
Before 3 days ago, I have not heard of Weasly ( :) ), but if jps

likes
him he has to be one dumb dude.

From what I have read in the past 3 days, he seems like he is another

Ross
Perot, a successful man, who can go over the edge. I don't believe

anyone
in either party (with the exception of jps) views him as a serious
candidate. He will be a great flash in the pan.

Well, you guys with the (political) party hats on figure out who you're

going
to run and then the rest of us will start looking seriously at the

finalists.

Let's see: Republicans? Probably going to stick with the current dude.

Won't
need to spend too much time speculating how he would run the country if
(re)elected.

Democrats? They have their work cut out for them this time around.

Every
vote
counts the same, and the conservatives have done a far more effective

job
of
organizing the thoughts and attitudes of the rw constituency. It's a

basic
weakness of liberalism. Liberals say: "Go ahead and think whatever you

want, as
long as it doesn't hurt somebody else." No F'n wonder the left is all

over
the
map!

Conservatives do have the handle on this thing. They tend to say:

"Think
like
this, exactly, or you are not patriotic and can't be considered a true
American! In our binary world you're either 110% behind George Bush or

you
support the terrorist overthrow of the US." Doesn't do much for

independent
thought, but then again who needs independent thought if it causes the

party to
lose focus? ((Didn't we used to hear that such a statement was a

dangerous
idea from Eastern Europe?))




http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm












Gould 0738 September 22nd 03 04:40 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
While you may hear the idea expressed in this NG or the talk shows by a few
people, most thinking conservative or liberals do not feel that one's
political ideology effects one ability to be a "patriot" or one's love of
country. A few radical talking heads might express that view, but it is
still a small percent of the citizen.


The talking heads who regurgitate this rubbish are wildly successful. Ann
Coulter's book accusing all liberals of being "traitors" sold how many million
copies? Too many people without the time and energy to think for themselves are
too eager to repeat the latest whiz-bang sound byte as a substitute for
legitimate opinion.

The largest audiences in the country are listening to right wing radio. It
would be hard to convince me that most of those listeners don't generally agree
with the sentiments expressed. All too many of them are quick to repeat, word
for word, the latest slogan circling the bowl. Emotional arguments develop when
people from one side or the other cannot logically support their opinions, and
cannot do so because the opinions have been handed to them rather than
developed through a normal process.

If there's going to be any choice in the next election, it will have to be
provided by the D's. The R's are sticking with the horse that pulled the cart
to this point.

Too darn bad the R's don't have a candidate like the guy who gave the following
speech. Comparing this speech to the current, miserable state of civic
discourse is really shocking. There is a lot more emotional energy these days,
more bitterness and rancour than before. Again, I think it's because many
people haven't done the homework to understand *why* they have a certain
opinion, they believe what they are told is best for the country.
That observation applies to the left as well as the right.

I like the following Republican's comments about controlling government
spending:

http://www.polsci.ucsb.edu/projects/...pages/reagan1s
u.html

He was concerned about a "trillion dollar debt." How times have changed. We're
paying a significant portion of that much every year in interest alone on the
current debt. :-(





jps September 22nd 03 06:57 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

According to Howard Fineman in the current Newsweek magazine, it almost
happened...but the Republicans weren't interested. Clark was hurt that

they
didn't want him. I guess another waffling, untruthful, pompous ass, former
Rhodes scholar from Little Rock didn't appeal to them.


But a nincompoop with no sign of intelligence from Texas did?

The Republicans are only interested in those who'll fall in line.



jps September 22nd 03 06:59 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

Actually, the typo was the last "l" that I inadvertently put at the end of
Weasly...a play on the name Wesley...and a more appropriate name for such

a
weasel.


Let's see, you support a guy who needlessly puts our kids at risk in a
ficticious war but you're against a military man who's commited to using
military force as a means of last resort.

Who's a flip flopping weasel in the equation?



Calif Bill September 22nd 03 07:52 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...
Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the

head
of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the bullets

are
flying and showing them where to go.

General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam. Here's

a
snippet from his bio:
"As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw

combat
in
Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against

the
Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple Heart

and
a
Silver Star."
(Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml)


John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with

three
Purple Hearts. Your point is?


WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's

leadership
ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the qualities that
you say a leader needs.



Maybe those purple hearts were from getting shot by his own charges?
According to reports, he was not an admired general in the Losovo campaign
as well as almost starting WW III with the Russians over an airport.
Bill



NOYB September 22nd 03 10:44 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

Actually, the typo was the last "l" that I inadvertently put at the end

of
Weasly...a play on the name Wesley...and a more appropriate name for

such
a
weasel.


Let's see, you support a guy who needlessly puts our kids at risk in a
ficticious war but you're against a military man who's commited to using
military force as a means of last resort.

Who's a flip flopping weasel in the equation?



The guy that said last Thursday "I probably would have voted for the
resolution", and then stated last Friday "I would not have voted for the
resolution". I've heard of problems with short-term memory and with people
having "senior moments" before...but in 24 hours?





Harry Krause September 22nd 03 11:59 PM

OT--Weaslyl watch begins
 
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Snafu wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...
Getting back to this (dumb a$$) statement:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
Leadership doesn't mean stepping on your subordiates to get to the
head
of
the chow line it means getting out in front of them when the

bullets
are
flying and showing them where to go.

General Clark WAS out there where the bullets flew in Vietnam.

Here's a
snippet from his bio:
"As an infantryman in command of a mechanized company, Clark saw

combat
in
Vietnam and was wounded four times in action, while fighting against

the
Viet Cong. During his Vietnam service, Clark received the Purple

Heart
and
a
Silver Star."
(Source: http://www.draftclark.com/biography.shtml)

John Kerry was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Start along with
three
Purple Hearts. Your point is?


WTF?!? Are you even dumber than GWB? You're questioning Clark's

leadership
ability, and I'm pointing out that he possesses exactly the qualities

that
you say a leader needs.



If Clark were a Republican, Bert would be standing at attention and
saluting.



According to Howard Fineman in the current Newsweek magazine, it almost
happened...but the Republicans weren't interested. Clark was hurt that they
didn't want him. I guess another waffling, untruthful, pompous ass, former
Rhodes scholar from Little Rock didn't appeal to them.




Whatever Clark is, he's certainly more qualified to be POTUS than the
thrice-arrested, drug-snorting, alcoholic, anti-intellectual piece of
unadulterated crap now occupying the White House.

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