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America's Cup coming to San Francisco
"Tim" wrote in message
... On Jan 4, 6:00 pm, Harryk wrote: On 1/4/11 7:00 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 1, 8:41 pm, wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/1/11 12:43 PM, wrote: Wow... this will be fun! http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci.../san-francisco... Where would the actual racing take place? Out in the open ocean or...a course around Alcatraz Island? The latter would sure draw shoreline crowds on all sides of the Bay. Reply: Could be around Alcatraz to the Farallon Islands and back. already a couple sailboat races a year that do that. About 26 miles to the islands. There are questions on how a bankrupt city like SF can afford to do the upgrades required. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110101/...iling_americas I'm not really into that kind of racing but if it can pump some more money back into the US I'm all for it. What if all the boats are built in China and the crews all come from...India? :) Is that what happens? hmmmm I was thinking of those who follow the sport and would come here to watch/participate in the affair, and pump some good bucks in the coffers. Need big guys for the crews. Those guys working the winches look like strongmen. Friend worked on an America's cup boat when it was in there. So American people do work on it. |
America's Cup coming to San Francisco
"Tim" wrote in message
... On Jan 4, 7:13 pm, Harryk wrote: On 1/4/11 8:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 4, 6:46 pm, wrote: On 1/4/11 7:06 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 4, 6:00 pm, wrote: On 1/4/11 7:00 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 1, 8:41 pm, wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/1/11 12:43 PM, wrote: Wow... this will be fun! http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci.../san-francisco... Where would the actual racing take place? Out in the open ocean or...a course around Alcatraz Island? The latter would sure draw shoreline crowds on all sides of the Bay. Reply: Could be around Alcatraz to the Farallon Islands and back. already a couple sailboat races a year that do that. About 26 miles to the islands. There are questions on how a bankrupt city like SF can afford to do the upgrades required. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110101/...iling_americas I'm not really into that kind of racing but if it can pump some more money back into the US I'm all for it. What if all the boats are built in China and the crews all come from...India? :) Is that what happens? hmmmm I was thinking of those who follow the sport and would come here to watch/participate in the affair, and pump some good bucks in the coffers. Oh...*those* people. :) Yeah. I suppose I'm not one of *those* LOL! Me, either. I love SF and love to travel and stay there, but I wouldn't waste the time and money to go there to watch a bunch of billionaires race their supercool sailboats. same. Reply: I will most likely take the boat out with friends to watch the races. Unless it is extremely windy and then the bay is nasty to boat on in a 21' boat. |
America's Cup coming to San Francisco
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says... On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:07:20 -0800, wrote: Cato Institute? Do you know who they are? That is a Libertarian group saying what the government SHOULD DO. That has nothing to do with what they actually do. "Vice-President Gore leads the Administration?'S efforts to reinvent government, making it work better, cost less, and get results that Americans care about. Under his leadership, the size of the federal [civilian] workforce has been reduced by about 350,000 people, and common sense changes have been made in the way government works that have saved the taxpayers $ 137 billion." http://www.scribd.com/doc/3973816/Re...ral-Downsizing That was a great PR stunt but nobody was laid off. There was an incentive for people to take what was essentially a buyout into early retirement. I know a guy who took it. The overall government workforce stayed about the same anyway. Some people believe everything in print. In my tenure at the USDA I saw many people get promoted out. The were promoted to a grade that was higher than their position which required them to get a position in another agency at their new grade. This was the easiest and fastest way to get them to out. Also, incompetence was abundant and all you could do was send people to classes to try and make them un-incompetent. This helped but it rarely resolved the problem. DePlume can believe that AlGore reduced the government rolls by 350,000 but what she isn't saying is that Bill Clinton increased them by 500,000 at the same time. |
America's Cup coming to San Francisco
On 1/5/11 7:33 AM, BAR wrote:
Some people believe everything in print. In my tenure at the USDA I saw many people get promoted out. The were promoted to a grade that was higher than their position which required them to get a position in another agency at their new grade. This was the easiest and fastest way to get them to out. Also, incompetence was abundant and all you could do was send people to classes to try and make them un-incompetent. This helped but it rarely resolved the problem. DePlume can believe that AlGore reduced the government rolls by 350,000 but what she isn't saying is that Bill Clinton increased them by 500,000 at the same time. What percentage of your employer's business is done with federal, state, and local governmental agencies, or other corporations whose main business is with government or governmental agencies? |
America's Cup coming to San Francisco
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says... On 1/4/11 6:56 PM, Harryk wrote: On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote: O wrote: In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers. A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the 50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the signs because they changed so often. It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a corner and ignored. The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer. Probably similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is strong, the non-performers are in luck. The public (and their kids) suffer. Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats. Me, I'll just...watch. This does seem very confrontational. Is this the real Harry or a Spoofer doing his best to stir up the pot? It's a spoofer. I'd never stir the pot. I'd also never lie. |
America's Cup coming to San Francisco
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:56:04 -0500, Harryk wrote:
On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote: O wrote: In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers. A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the 50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the signs because they changed so often. It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a corner and ignored. The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer. Probably similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is strong, the non-performers are in luck. The public (and their kids) suffer. Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats. Me, I'll just...watch. It's January, so I'll respond. No one said anything confrontational, except you. I've had the experiences described above. As far as starting things, you just made a nice attempt to do so. |
America's Cup coming to San Francisco
On 1/5/11 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:56:04 -0500, wrote: On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote: O wrote: In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers. A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the 50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the signs because they changed so often. It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a corner and ignored. The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer. Probably similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is strong, the non-performers are in luck. The public (and their kids) suffer. Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats. Me, I'll just...watch. It's January, so I'll respond. No one said anything confrontational, except you. I've had the experiences described above. As far as starting things, you just made a nice attempt to do so. It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the "non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post. |
America's Cup coming to San Francisco
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:00:10 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Jan 1, 8:41*pm, "Califbill" wrote: "Harryk" *wrote in message ... On 1/1/11 12:43 PM, wrote: Wow... this will be fun! http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci.../san-francisco... Where would the actual racing take place? Out in the open ocean or...a course around Alcatraz Island? The latter would sure draw shoreline crowds on all sides of the Bay. Reply: *Could be around Alcatraz to the Farallon Islands *and back. *already a couple sailboat races a year that do that. *About 26 miles to the islands. There are questions on how a bankrupt city like SF can afford to do the upgrades required. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110101/...iling_americas I'm not really into that kind of racing but if it can pump some more money back into the US I'm all for it. Tim, I never had any use for it either, until the 1992 race was held. We were in Germany, and Armed Forces Network carried it live, from about 2AM to 5AM. The announcers were great. They would explain the tactics being used and use diagrams to show what was happening. If it had just been a picture of some sail boats chasing each other, we'd have lost interest immediately. I've seen some broadc asts since then, but not with the announcing that we had for the 1992 race. I definitely don't like the way the stations here will try to cram three hours worth of racing into a half-hour show. But, having said that...if you're up for a Moto Guzzi ride to San Francisco, just say the word. Hell, we can probably stay with Calif Bill. He's got a pretty decent head on his shoulders. He'd probably keep us out of trouble with the gays, pedophiles, transvestites, etc, etc, roaming the streets looking for handsome young lads such as you and me! |
America's Cup coming to San Francisco
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500, Harryk
wrote: It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the "non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post. It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory. Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been said in the past. I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds. http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg |
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