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OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 02:12:44 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:38:50 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:19:19 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:38:07 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:48:07 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:55:11 -0800, wrote: Yeah... really hard.... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Well, I'm not sure what to say. You claim that the UofM is either wrong or lying, and you don't believe that Fed. workers were in jeopardy, even though that would have been the case had Bunning not relented. I'm not sure what you believe at this point. I know how these appropriations fights are fought. They "shut down" some function of government, there is a lot of saber rattling and the citizens see locked doors but the AFGE agreement doesn't change, nobody gets fired and when they finally hammer out the deal they want on the hill everyone gets their back pay ... if the paychecks ever stopped. They usually just keep coming right on schedule. You say there are layoffs where civil service workers actually lost their job and you still haven't showed us any.You have shown early retirements and paid days off but no layoffs. You also have to understand how the 171 process works. If your government position is eliminated you get the highest priority to be hired by any other agency. Basically they have a hard time hiring anyone until all current employees are in new positions so they find you a job (just like any other union). Again this virtually always happens before you miss a paycheck. In fact in all of the 70s relocations, I don't know a single person who lost a dime. It is more likely that you get a promotion but you can always find something. Like this one? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101220/..._until_january Yes exactly like that one. EVERY ONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES GOT BACK PAY in spite of a lot of them not working. On these "shutdowns", part of the deal that finally gets hammered down on the hill is that the AFGE members get their back pay whether they actually came to work or not. Most stay home. That is part of the "Close the Washington Monument" blackmail that shutting down the government imposes on the citizens. They usually target the most visible agencies and then the news media hypes it up. They bury the story that these people actually get their money on the back of the social page, if it gets covered at all, Yes, they got paid retroactively. Millions were effected. Guess what'll happen if the debt ceiling isn't increased. Do you think Fed employees are going to get paid for that retroactively? Did you read the story? "In all, 28 days saw a partial government shutdown. The second lapse was the longest in history at 22 days. The effects and consequences were temporary even though millions of people were effected." "The effect was TEMPORARY" They got paid. Again you still have not talked about anyone LOSING their job in a layoff. I guess when the OPM creates a publication to address it, it must not have happened. http://www.opm.gov/pressrel/1995/PR950407.htm http://www.opm.gov/rif/general/rifguide.asp I guess when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers they got their jobs/money back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profess...zation_ (1968) I guess this author is just making things up... http://finance.dir.groups.yahoo.com/...&sec=dir&slk=9 Never happens at the EPA... http://www.epa.gov/boston/jobs/displace.html Certainly not at NASA... http://www.afeu.org/blog/?p=57 And on and on... Next time do your own Google search! |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:49:38 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:37:00 -0800, wrote: Yes exactly like that one. EVERY ONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES GOT BACK PAY in spite of a lot of them not working. On these "shutdowns", part of the deal that finally gets hammered down on the hill is that the AFGE members get their back pay whether they actually came to work or not. Most stay home. That is part of the "Close the Washington Monument" blackmail that shutting down the government imposes on the citizens. They usually target the most visible agencies and then the news media hypes it up. They bury the story that these people actually get their money on the back of the social page, if it gets covered at all, Yes, they got paid retroactively. Millions were effected. Guess what'll happen if the debt ceiling isn't increased. Do you think Fed employees are going to get paid for that retroactively? I can't speak for every shutdown but usually the checks or EFTs never stop. It is harder to stop them than to let them keep coming. Everyone knows they will get paid eventually anyway. Did you read the story? "In all, 28 days saw a partial government shutdown. The second lapse was the longest in history at 22 days. The effects and consequences were temporary even though millions of people were effected." "The effect was TEMPORARY" They got paid. Again you still have not talked about anyone LOSING their job in a layoff. I guess when the OPM creates a publication to address it, it must not have happened. http://www.opm.gov/pressrel/1995/PR950407.htm Did you read it? It is all about how other agencies will absorb the RIFed workers, exactly as I have been saying. http://www.opm.gov/rif/general/rifguide.asp Another article defining how you reassign RIFed employees I guess when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers they got their jobs/money back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profess...zation_ (1968) I guess this author is just making things up... http://finance.dir.groups.yahoo.com/...&sec=dir&slk=9 The PATA employees violated their contract and DID NOT SHOW UP. (remember that was one of the rare instances where I said you could get fired). This should have caused them all to be fired immediately. Most ended up getting their job back anyway. Never happens at the EPA... http://www.epa.gov/boston/jobs/displace.html Certainly not at NASA... http://www.afeu.org/blog/?p=57 And on and on... Next time do your own Google search! You are again just finding cases where people lost their desks and it goes into great detail explaining how they got relocated. You claimed that federal workers don't get fired. I provided numerous examples. Sorry if you can't handle it. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:07:48 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:22:26 -0800, wrote: You are again just finding cases where people lost their desks and it goes into great detail explaining how they got relocated. You claimed that federal workers don't get fired. I provided numerous examples. Sorry if you can't handle it. Go back and read my original note again. I said they can't get fired as long as they show up for work and they don't get caught stealing. You gave us one example of the PATA guys being fired for not showing up at work. It is a violation of the law that allows a federal union for the members to strike. That is black letter law. They should have all been fired. There may even be criminal penalties attached. The rest of your links only talked about the extraordinary lengths they go to relocate people when their agency closes. You also linked articles about the shutdowns and they all ended up with everyone keeping their jobs. I suppose you could say the Walkers got fired but they stole national secrets. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...mcain-federal/ http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&sid=1995749 http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-blowers_x.htm You seem to think that it's an uncommon private business practice to not attempt to place workers in other jobs. Big companies do this all the time. While it's more difficult to fire Fed employees, it's not impossible. Please show us some numbers that support all the "incompetence" of Fed workers. Seems to me they mostly do a good job. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Jan 7, 8:17*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:07:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:22:26 -0800, wrote: You are again just finding cases where people lost their desks and it goes into great detail explaining how they got relocated. You claimed that federal workers don't get fired. I provided numerous examples. Sorry if you can't handle it. Go back and read my original note again. I said they can't get fired as long as they show up for work and they don't get caught stealing. You gave us one example of the PATA guys being fired for not showing up at work. It is a violation of the law that allows a federal union for the members to strike. That is black letter law. They should have all been fired. There may even be criminal penalties attached. The rest of your links only talked about the extraordinary lengths they go to relocate people when their agency closes. You also linked articles about the shutdowns and they all ended up with everyone keeping their jobs. I suppose you could say the Walkers got fired but they stole national secrets. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...p/05/mcain-fed... http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&sid=1995749 http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-blowers_x.htm You seem to think that it's an uncommon private business practice to not attempt to place workers in other jobs. Big companies do this all the time. While it's more difficult to fire Fed employees, it's not impossible. Please show us some numbers that support all the "incompetence" of Fed workers. Seems to me they mostly do a good job. having difficulty staying focused ,D'Plume? Between your dulled comprehension skills and your constant thirst for confrontation, it's evident you can't handle having your ass handed to you by the likes of Mr. Fretwell, especially on such a consistent basis. After all, in your ever presence of trying to save face, you have changed the subject in your conversation at least six times. Please try to improve D'Plume. presently, you are less then humourous. "Sorry if you can't handle it." Indeed. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:40:10 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:17:09 -0800, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:07:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:22:26 -0800, wrote: You are again just finding cases where people lost their desks and it goes into great detail explaining how they got relocated. You claimed that federal workers don't get fired. I provided numerous examples. Sorry if you can't handle it. Go back and read my original note again. I said they can't get fired as long as they show up for work and they don't get caught stealing. You gave us one example of the PATA guys being fired for not showing up at work. It is a violation of the law that allows a federal union for the members to strike. That is black letter law. They should have all been fired. There may even be criminal penalties attached. The rest of your links only talked about the extraordinary lengths they go to relocate people when their agency closes. You also linked articles about the shutdowns and they all ended up with everyone keeping their jobs. I suppose you could say the Walkers got fired but they stole national secrets. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...mcain-federal/ Exactly, you posted an article that said what I have been saying. A few people got fired for coming in drunk and punching out the boss. That is not a layoff, that is a criminal act. http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&sid=1995749 Losing their security clearance http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-blowers_x.htm Stealing and disclosing confidential information. You seem to think that it's an uncommon private business practice to not attempt to place workers in other jobs. Big companies do this all the time. While it's more difficult to fire Fed employees, it's not impossible. Please show us some numbers that support all the "incompetence" of Fed workers. Seems to me they mostly do a good job. Most federal employees do try to do a good job, the point is it is hard to get rid of the ones who don't. The first article in this post demonstrates that. Getting fired for being drunk and punching the boss is not the same as just being lazy and not working. I agree that is a fairly small percentage but seeing that lowers the morale of the rest of the work force and lowers overall productivity. Yes, it's hard. No, it's not impossible to fire a Fed employee. It's just as high of a percentage in the corporate world. In fact, it might even be worse there. Laziness typically lowers morale and productivity, but that's not unique to Fed workers. Large companies have the same problem. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
wrote in message ... On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:40:10 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:17:09 -0800, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:07:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:22:26 -0800, wrote: You are again just finding cases where people lost their desks and it goes into great detail explaining how they got relocated. You claimed that federal workers don't get fired. I provided numerous examples. Sorry if you can't handle it. Go back and read my original note again. I said they can't get fired as long as they show up for work and they don't get caught stealing. You gave us one example of the PATA guys being fired for not showing up at work. It is a violation of the law that allows a federal union for the members to strike. That is black letter law. They should have all been fired. There may even be criminal penalties attached. The rest of your links only talked about the extraordinary lengths they go to relocate people when their agency closes. You also linked articles about the shutdowns and they all ended up with everyone keeping their jobs. I suppose you could say the Walkers got fired but they stole national secrets. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...mcain-federal/ Exactly, you posted an article that said what I have been saying. A few people got fired for coming in drunk and punching out the boss. That is not a layoff, that is a criminal act. http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&sid=1995749 Losing their security clearance http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-blowers_x.htm Stealing and disclosing confidential information. You seem to think that it's an uncommon private business practice to not attempt to place workers in other jobs. Big companies do this all the time. While it's more difficult to fire Fed employees, it's not impossible. Please show us some numbers that support all the "incompetence" of Fed workers. Seems to me they mostly do a good job. Most federal employees do try to do a good job, the point is it is hard to get rid of the ones who don't. The first article in this post demonstrates that. Getting fired for being drunk and punching the boss is not the same as just being lazy and not working. I agree that is a fairly small percentage but seeing that lowers the morale of the rest of the work force and lowers overall productivity. Yes, it's hard. No, it's not impossible to fire a Fed employee. It's just as high of a percentage in the corporate world. In fact, it might even be worse there. Laziness typically lowers morale and productivity, but that's not unique to Fed workers. Large companies have the same problem. Damn straight! Just go ask Scotties former employers. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On 1/8/11 4:04 PM, YukonBound wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:40:10 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:17:09 -0800, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:07:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:22:26 -0800, wrote: You are again just finding cases where people lost their desks and it goes into great detail explaining how they got relocated. You claimed that federal workers don't get fired. I provided numerous examples. Sorry if you can't handle it. Go back and read my original note again. I said they can't get fired as long as they show up for work and they don't get caught stealing. You gave us one example of the PATA guys being fired for not showing up at work. It is a violation of the law that allows a federal union for the members to strike. That is black letter law. They should have all been fired. There may even be criminal penalties attached. The rest of your links only talked about the extraordinary lengths they go to relocate people when their agency closes. You also linked articles about the shutdowns and they all ended up with everyone keeping their jobs. I suppose you could say the Walkers got fired but they stole national secrets. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...mcain-federal/ Exactly, you posted an article that said what I have been saying. A few people got fired for coming in drunk and punching out the boss. That is not a layoff, that is a criminal act. http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&sid=1995749 Losing their security clearance http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-blowers_x.htm Stealing and disclosing confidential information. You seem to think that it's an uncommon private business practice to not attempt to place workers in other jobs. Big companies do this all the time. While it's more difficult to fire Fed employees, it's not impossible. Please show us some numbers that support all the "incompetence" of Fed workers. Seems to me they mostly do a good job. Most federal employees do try to do a good job, the point is it is hard to get rid of the ones who don't. The first article in this post demonstrates that. Getting fired for being drunk and punching the boss is not the same as just being lazy and not working. I agree that is a fairly small percentage but seeing that lowers the morale of the rest of the work force and lowers overall productivity. Yes, it's hard. No, it's not impossible to fire a Fed employee. It's just as high of a percentage in the corporate world. In fact, it might even be worse there. Laziness typically lowers morale and productivity, but that's not unique to Fed workers. Large companies have the same problem. Damn straight! Just go ask Scotties former employers. That must be some list. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
Harryk wrote:
On 1/6/11 5:56 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In article55ydnT7L8Mi72bvQnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/6/11 5:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 1/6/11 3:48 PM, wrote: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Wow...all the excitement of attending a teabagger rally without actually having to be anywhere near those sorts of folks! :) Nice use of pejorative, it clearly shows why you get banned from every moderated group you infect... Sorry, Scotty, but I'm no longer playing your game. Have a nice life. You never really did... although I do think you might have given it a bit of a shot last month... Last month...oh, I remember...that's when you were actively urging more ID spoofing here, and otherwise behaving like a flaming asshole. I'm sure you'll find some playmates here...perhaps you might want to hang with Ziggy, the ID Spoofer, the Loogy, the LG, the Bert, the Herring, et cetera. They're really more your type than mine, since I have little use for rightwingers and morons. Sorry, I'm not interested in your ill-informed opinions on the world, on politics, on music, on child-rearing, or any of the other nonsense that vent here, except as a source of giggles. Have a nice life. You should have taken advice on child-rearing. We know how that turned out for you. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
YukonBound wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:40:10 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:17:09 -0800, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:07:48 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:22:26 -0800, wrote: You are again just finding cases where people lost their desks and it goes into great detail explaining how they got relocated. You claimed that federal workers don't get fired. I provided numerous examples. Sorry if you can't handle it. Go back and read my original note again. I said they can't get fired as long as they show up for work and they don't get caught stealing. You gave us one example of the PATA guys being fired for not showing up at work. It is a violation of the law that allows a federal union for the members to strike. That is black letter law. They should have all been fired. There may even be criminal penalties attached. The rest of your links only talked about the extraordinary lengths they go to relocate people when their agency closes. You also linked articles about the shutdowns and they all ended up with everyone keeping their jobs. I suppose you could say the Walkers got fired but they stole national secrets. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...mcain-federal/ Exactly, you posted an article that said what I have been saying. A few people got fired for coming in drunk and punching out the boss. That is not a layoff, that is a criminal act. http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&sid=1995749 Losing their security clearance http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-blowers_x.htm Stealing and disclosing confidential information. You seem to think that it's an uncommon private business practice to not attempt to place workers in other jobs. Big companies do this all the time. While it's more difficult to fire Fed employees, it's not impossible. Please show us some numbers that support all the "incompetence" of Fed workers. Seems to me they mostly do a good job. Most federal employees do try to do a good job, the point is it is hard to get rid of the ones who don't. The first article in this post demonstrates that. Getting fired for being drunk and punching the boss is not the same as just being lazy and not working. I agree that is a fairly small percentage but seeing that lowers the morale of the rest of the work force and lowers overall productivity. Yes, it's hard. No, it's not impossible to fire a Fed employee. It's just as high of a percentage in the corporate world. In fact, it might even be worse there. Laziness typically lowers morale and productivity, but that's not unique to Fed workers. Large companies have the same problem. Damn straight! Just go ask Scotties former employers. And you know that how? |
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