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OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:08:07 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:52:01 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:07:06 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:32:20 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:52:08 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:07:20 -0800, wrote: Cato Institute? Do you know who they are? That is a Libertarian group saying what the government SHOULD DO. That has nothing to do with what they actually do. "Vice-President Gore leads the Administration’'S efforts to reinvent government, making it work better, cost less, and get results that Americans care about. Under his leadership, the size of the federal [civilian] workforce has been reduced by about 350,000 people, and common sense changes have been made in the way government works that have saved the taxpayers $ 137 billion." http://www.scribd.com/doc/3973816/Re...ral-Downsizing That was a great PR stunt but nobody was laid off. There was an incentive for people to take what was essentially a buyout into early retirement. I know a guy who took it. The overall government workforce stayed about the same anyway. So, you're claiming that U of Missouri was lying??? But, you believe everything the Heritage Foundation says... No, you are claiming these people were fired ... remember what this was about? I am saying they simply allowed people to retire without replacing all of them. This was not a layoff and they moved others around to fill the slots. There is a CBO report on H.R.3218 that lays out one of these programs and explains all of this. Later in your article you notice they ended up promoting people from lower grades to higher grades and the payroll actually went up. It also shifted a lot of the burden from the payroll to the unfunded pension system, something that corporate America was doing You said that the federal worker is basically immune from downsizing. This is not correct. Seems to me you want it both ways. You want "permanent" jobs, but then complain when people have that. I said a federal worker is virtually impossible to fire and will not get laid off. You have only reinforced that statement. The article you posted said the people who left were rolled into the retirement system, either because they were of age or because they got an incentive. I know a guy who took the incentive (basically full retirement at an earlier age). The only decline in headcount was in not hiring new people to replace them That was a temporary situation. Yeah... really hard.... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On 1/6/11 3:48 PM, wrote:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Wow...all the excitement of attending a teabagger rally without actually having to be anywhere near those sorts of folks! :) |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On 1/6/11 5:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 1/6/11 3:48 PM, wrote: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Wow...all the excitement of attending a teabagger rally without actually having to be anywhere near those sorts of folks! :) Nice use of pejorative, it clearly shows why you get banned from every moderated group you infect... Sorry, Scotty, but I'm no longer playing your game. Have a nice life. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On 1/6/11 5:56 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In article55ydnT7L8Mi72bvQnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/6/11 5:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 1/6/11 3:48 PM, wrote: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Wow...all the excitement of attending a teabagger rally without actually having to be anywhere near those sorts of folks! :) Nice use of pejorative, it clearly shows why you get banned from every moderated group you infect... Sorry, Scotty, but I'm no longer playing your game. Have a nice life. You never really did... although I do think you might have given it a bit of a shot last month... Last month...oh, I remember...that's when you were actively urging more ID spoofing here, and otherwise behaving like a flaming asshole. I'm sure you'll find some playmates here...perhaps you might want to hang with Ziggy, the ID Spoofer, the Loogy, the LG, the Bert, the Herring, et cetera. They're really more your type than mine, since I have little use for rightwingers and morons. Sorry, I'm not interested in your ill-informed opinions on the world, on politics, on music, on child-rearing, or any of the other nonsense that vent here, except as a source of giggles. Have a nice life. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:48:07 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:55:11 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:08:07 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:52:01 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:07:06 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:32:20 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:52:08 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:07:20 -0800, wrote: Cato Institute? Do you know who they are? That is a Libertarian group saying what the government SHOULD DO. That has nothing to do with what they actually do. "Vice-President Gore leads the Administration’'S efforts to reinvent government, making it work better, cost less, and get results that Americans care about. Under his leadership, the size of the federal [civilian] workforce has been reduced by about 350,000 people, and common sense changes have been made in the way government works that have saved the taxpayers $ 137 billion." http://www.scribd.com/doc/3973816/Re...ral-Downsizing That was a great PR stunt but nobody was laid off. There was an incentive for people to take what was essentially a buyout into early retirement. I know a guy who took it. The overall government workforce stayed about the same anyway. So, you're claiming that U of Missouri was lying??? But, you believe everything the Heritage Foundation says... No, you are claiming these people were fired ... remember what this was about? I am saying they simply allowed people to retire without replacing all of them. This was not a layoff and they moved others around to fill the slots. There is a CBO report on H.R.3218 that lays out one of these programs and explains all of this. Later in your article you notice they ended up promoting people from lower grades to higher grades and the payroll actually went up. It also shifted a lot of the burden from the payroll to the unfunded pension system, something that corporate America was doing You said that the federal worker is basically immune from downsizing. This is not correct. Seems to me you want it both ways. You want "permanent" jobs, but then complain when people have that. I said a federal worker is virtually impossible to fire and will not get laid off. You have only reinforced that statement. The article you posted said the people who left were rolled into the retirement system, either because they were of age or because they got an incentive. I know a guy who took the incentive (basically full retirement at an earlier age). The only decline in headcount was in not hiring new people to replace them That was a temporary situation. Yeah... really hard.... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Well, I'm not sure what to say. You claim that the UofM is either wrong or lying, and you don't believe that Fed. workers were in jeopardy, even though that would have been the case had Bunning not relented. I'm not sure what you believe at this point. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
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OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:19:19 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:38:07 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:48:07 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:55:11 -0800, wrote: Yeah... really hard.... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Well, I'm not sure what to say. You claim that the UofM is either wrong or lying, and you don't believe that Fed. workers were in jeopardy, even though that would have been the case had Bunning not relented. I'm not sure what you believe at this point. I know how these appropriations fights are fought. They "shut down" some function of government, there is a lot of saber rattling and the citizens see locked doors but the AFGE agreement doesn't change, nobody gets fired and when they finally hammer out the deal they want on the hill everyone gets their back pay ... if the paychecks ever stopped. They usually just keep coming right on schedule. You say there are layoffs where civil service workers actually lost their job and you still haven't showed us any.You have shown early retirements and paid days off but no layoffs. You also have to understand how the 171 process works. If your government position is eliminated you get the highest priority to be hired by any other agency. Basically they have a hard time hiring anyone until all current employees are in new positions so they find you a job (just like any other union). Again this virtually always happens before you miss a paycheck. In fact in all of the 70s relocations, I don't know a single person who lost a dime. It is more likely that you get a promotion but you can always find something. Like this one? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101220/..._until_january |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On Jan 7, 1:12*am, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:38:50 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:19:19 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:38:07 -0800, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:48:07 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:55:11 -0800, wrote: Yeah... really hard.... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...-of-federal-wo... I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Well, I'm not sure what to say. You claim that the UofM is either wrong or lying, and you don't believe that Fed. workers were in jeopardy, even though that would have been the case had Bunning not relented. I'm not sure what you believe at this point. I know how these appropriations fights are fought. They "shut down" some function of government, there is a lot of saber rattling and the citizens see locked doors but the AFGE agreement doesn't change, nobody gets fired and when they finally hammer out the deal they want on the hill everyone gets their back pay ... if the paychecks ever stopped. They usually just keep coming right on schedule. You say there are layoffs where civil service workers actually lost their job and you still haven't showed us any.You have shown early retirements and paid days off but no layoffs. You also have to understand how the 171 process works. If your government position is eliminated you get the highest priority to be hired by any other agency. Basically they have a hard time hiring anyone until all current employees are in new positions so they find you a job (just like any other union). Again this virtually always happens before you miss a paycheck. In fact in all of the 70s relocations, I don't know a single person who lost a dime. It is more likely that you get a promotion but you can always find something. Like this one? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101220/...nment_shutdown... Yes exactly like that one. EVERY ONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES GOT BACK PAY in spite of a lot of them not working. On these "shutdowns", part of the deal that finally gets hammered down on the hill is that the AFGE members get their back pay whether they actually came to work or not. Most stay home. That is part of the "Close the Washington Monument" blackmail that shutting down the government imposes on the citizens. They usually target the most visible agencies and then the news media hypes it up. They bury the story that these people actually get their money on the back of the social page, if it gets covered at all, Did you read the story? "In all, 28 days saw a partial government shutdown. The second lapse was the longest in history at 22 days. The effects and consequences were temporary even though millions of people were effected." "The effect was TEMPORARY" They got paid. Again you still have not talked about anyone LOSING their job in a layoff. That is because the ignorant twit has nothing to accomplish in her miserable existance but to argue. |
OT Civil service, was Am Cup
On 1/6/2011 6:07 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/6/11 5:56 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In article55ydnT7L8Mi72bvQnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/6/11 5:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 1/6/11 3:48 PM, wrote: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcno...ilibuster.html I guarantee you they will get every dime of their pay, even though they stayed home. This is just another "shut down the government" thing like the mid 90s. Nobody lost a dime then either. I suspect people in LA don't understand that. Wow...all the excitement of attending a teabagger rally without actually having to be anywhere near those sorts of folks! :) Nice use of pejorative, it clearly shows why you get banned from every moderated group you infect... Sorry, Scotty, but I'm no longer playing your game. Have a nice life. You never really did... although I do think you might have given it a bit of a shot last month... Last month...oh, I remember...that's when you were actively urging more ID spoofing here, and otherwise behaving like a flaming asshole. I'm sure you'll find some playmates here...perhaps you might want to hang with Ziggy, the ID Spoofer, the Loogy, the LG, the Bert, the Herring, et cetera. They're really more your type than mine, since I have little use for rightwingers and morons. Sorry, I'm not interested in your ill-informed opinions on the world, on politics, on music, on child-rearing, or any of the other nonsense that vent here, except as a source of giggles. Have a nice life. Like I said, you're obsessed with him, like a bully. Every time you say you're done with him, you're back to take another swing. So much for the status you believe you attained in life. The past 15+ years you've been here picking fights with people. Pretty *ucking sad. |
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