On Dec 10, 11:13*pm, HarryK wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, *wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. *Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. *Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. *Gets to telling us about doing photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. *Go bomb the
Japanese at Midway. *Some great story were told. *No bragging, just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora! Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester cannot
produce the letter, nor can anyone else, American or Japanese, recall or
find it.
OK, so which line didn't they use?

The long? or the short version?

same wiki

"Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is portrayed at the very end of the
1970 film Tora! Tora! Tora!, and in the 2001 film Pearl Harbor, as
saying after his attack on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is
to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."[1]
The supposed quotation was abbreviated in the film Pearl Harbor
(2001), where it merely read, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a
sleeping giant."

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora! Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester cannot
produce the letter, nor can anyone else, American or Japanese, recall or
find it.
OK, so which line didn't they use?

The long? or the short version?

same wiki

"Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is portrayed at the very end of the
1970 film Tora! Tora! Tora!, and in the 2001 film Pearl Harbor, as
saying after his attack on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is
to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."[1]
The supposed quotation was abbreviated in the film Pearl Harbor
(2001), where it merely read, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a
sleeping giant."

If you read the article you quoted it doesn't say either of them can be
historically attributed to Admiral Yamamato. They both were written by
Hollywood screenwriters, the screenwriter for Pearl Harbor just took the
line that was written by the screenwriter for Tora Tora Tora and made a
shorter version. No historian can find anyone who attributed the line
to Yamamoto, nor does it appear in any of Yamamoto's writing or diary.
What is does show is the power of Hollywood to rewrite history.

The only way one can believe that this was actually said by the Admiral
is if you believe the screenwriter's story that he found a letter
written by Yamamoto that contained the quote. After reading the letter,
the screenwriter then lost his copy of the letter. Not only did the
screenwriter lose his copy of the letter, but no American Historian or
Japanese Historian can remember the letter, nor can they find a copy of
the letter in any of the archives and historical records.

I think most people find the screenwriters story of finding the quote
and then losing his copy of the letter containing the quote to be too
"Hollywood" even for Hollywood.

In article ,
says...

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora! Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester cannot

Harry, you are nothing short of an asshole. Always was, always will be.

On 12/11/10 9:07 AM, Don Won wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora! Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester cannot

Harry, you are nothing short of an asshole. Always was, always will be.

So what are you going to do about it? Nothing. Just as I thought.

HarryK wrote:
On 12/11/10 9:07 AM, Don Won wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm,
wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was
when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it
to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with
valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing
photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local
commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go
bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging,
just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily
admitted that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora!
Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never
have said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester
cannot

Harry, you are nothing short of an asshole. Always was, always will be.

So what are you going to do about it? Nothing. Just as I thought.
He did enough. At least any new visitors will know you are an asshole
and not to be trusted.

On 12/11/2010 9:07 AM, Don Won wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora! Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester cannot

Harry, you are nothing short of an asshole. Always was, always will be.


Isn't it amazing how you and the Harry ID spoofer are here at the same
time, again? Why, it is almost as if you are both typing from the same
computer, and just taking enough time to "shift" servers and posting
IDs. Maybe you can get "Ziggy" up, too.

In article ,
says...

On 12/11/2010 9:07 AM, Don Won wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora! Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have said

Learn to read headers.

On 12/11/10 9:20 AM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/11/2010 9:07 AM, Don Won wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was
when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it
to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with
valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo
recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local
commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go
bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just
telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted
that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora! Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have
said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester cannot

Harry, you are nothing short of an asshole. Always was, always will be.


Isn't it amazing how you and the Harry ID spoofer are here at the same
time, again? Why, it is almost as if you are both typing from the same
computer, and just taking enough time to "shift" servers and posting
IDs. Maybe you can get "Ziggy" up, too.



Do what I do and ignore the assholes. Instead of complaining about
these assholes, why don't you actually start a thread related to a
boating topic. Do you own a boat?

On 12/11/2010 10:34 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 12/11/10 9:20 AM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/11/2010 9:07 AM, Don Won wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was
when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it
to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with
valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo
recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local
commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go
bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just
telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted
that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora!
Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have
said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester
cannot

Harry, you are nothing short of an asshole. Always was, always will be.


Isn't it amazing how you and the Harry ID spoofer are here at the same
time, again? Why, it is almost as if you are both typing from the same
computer, and just taking enough time to "shift" servers and posting
IDs. Maybe you can get "Ziggy" up, too.



Do what I do and ignore the assholes. Instead of complaining about these
assholes, why don't you actually start a thread related to a boating
topic. Do you own a boat?

I don't respond to inquiries from trashy ID spoofers like you, little boy.

On 12/11/10 5:01 PM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/11/2010 10:34 AM, HarryK wrote:
On 12/11/10 9:20 AM, Paul@BYC wrote:
On 12/11/2010 9:07 AM, Don Won wrote:
In ,
says...

On 12/11/10 12:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:13 pm, wrote:
On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was
when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it
to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with
valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo
recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local
commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go
bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just
telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The
Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted
that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora!
Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have
said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that
Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to
the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester
cannot

Harry, you are nothing short of an asshole. Always was, always will be.


Isn't it amazing how you and the Harry ID spoofer are here at the same
time, again? Why, it is almost as if you are both typing from the same
computer, and just taking enough time to "shift" servers and posting
IDs. Maybe you can get "Ziggy" up, too.



Do what I do and ignore the assholes. Instead of complaining about these
assholes, why don't you actually start a thread related to a boating
topic. Do you own a boat?

I don't respond to inquiries from trashy ID spoofers like you, little boy.

Trashy? Little boy? Isn't this the behavior you found offensive just
a few weeks ago?