On Dec 10, 9:56*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. *Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. *Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. *Gets to telling us about doing photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. *Go bomb the
Japanese at Midway. *Some great story were told. *No bragging, just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

On 12/11/10 12:06 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 10, 9:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in messagenewso2uf6lh8mlrresr8vhlpnvgchuirhvnqr@4ax .com...

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:53:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

This is not only a historic day for the United States, but also
involved our Navy, and it's ships. Really big boats.

Personally I prefer celebrating the Battle of Midway. That was when we
started sinking their boats. (First week of June)

I do appreciate that we have changed the flag etiquette for 12/7
Now we start at half mast in the morning and at noon you run it to the
top of the pole.

Reply:
Yup. Couple of years ago we were at the local VA hospital with valentine
cards and one guy is a riot. Gets to telling us about doing photo recon in
the South Pacific and is getting ready to go fly and the local commander
tells him they are loading him with bombs, no recon today. Go bomb the
Japanese at Midway. Some great story were told. No bragging, just telling
how life was as a young man in the Aircorp.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
with a terrible resolve."-Isoroku Yamamoto

It is a great line, but it was most likely created by a Hollywood
screenwriter, and is not a quote by the Admiral.

from Wikipedia

Neither At Dawn We Slept, written by Gordon Prange, nor The Reluctant
Admiral, the definitive biography of Yamamoto in English by Hiroyuki
Agawa, contain the line.

Randall Wallace, the screenwriter of Pearl Harbor, readily admitted that
he copied the line from Tora! Tora! Tora!. The director of Tora! Tora!
Tora!, Richard Fleischer, stated that while Yamamoto may never have said
those words, the film's producer, Elmo Williams, had found the line
written in Yamamoto's diary. Williams, in turn, has stated that Larry
Forrester, the screenwriter, found a 1943 letter from Yamamoto to the
Admiralty in Tokyo containing the quotation. However, Forrester cannot
produce the letter, nor can anyone else, American or Japanese, recall or
find it.

In article 4486b8e5-bd03-42b1-b431-
, says...

While bypassing the bickering, I thought I'd post a reminder of one of
the most solemn days in U.S History, via the attack on Pearl harbor
and the sinking of the crippling of the Pacific fleet.

Remembering the day.

My dad was there a child of 5 along with his sister watching the planes.
His one vivid memory of that day is the face of one Japanese pilot he
saw. Also, my grand-fathers ship the USS Shaw, the famous explosion
picture, was there and my grand-mother took most of the photos in the
hours and days after that were used by the media and the government.

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article 4486b8e5-bd03-42b1-b431-
, says...


Remembering the day.

My dad was there a child of 5 along with his sister watching the planes.
His one vivid memory of that day is the face of one Japanese pilot he
saw. Also, my grand-fathers ship the USS Shaw, the famous explosion
picture, was there and my grand-mother took most of the photos in the
hours and days after that were used by the media and the government.

BAR, my wife was also a witness to the attack that day. But unlike
your dad, my wife's father didn't waste anytime and hustled all the
little ones (there were 5 of them) into his bomb shelter (yes, he
built a bomb shelter in the backyard - I guess he was way ahead of his
time)
All she remembers are the planes in the sky and the sound of
explosions. She was 5yrs 3mo old.
I have read of old timers, mostly servicemen tell about seeing the
Japanese pilots in their planes. That might be true, but I doubt if a
five-year old civilian saw the same thing. Betcha your dad kinda
embellished his recount of that day. Many old timers tend to do this.
My father-in-law later helped in the raising of some of the sunken
American ships. He was a welder and worked at PH for the duration of
the war. Right after the war he moved his family to Omao, Kauai where
he built many homes. He retired after working 20 years with the state
of Hawaii.

Eddie

In article , hawaii-50
@sbcglobal.net says...

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article 4486b8e5-bd03-42b1-b431-
, says...


Remembering the day.

My dad was there a child of 5 along with his sister watching the planes.
His one vivid memory of that day is the face of one Japanese pilot he
saw. Also, my grand-fathers ship the USS Shaw, the famous explosion
picture, was there and my grand-mother took most of the photos in the
hours and days after that were used by the media and the government.

BAR, my wife was also a witness to the attack that day. But unlike
your dad, my wife's father didn't waste anytime and hustled all the
little ones (there were 5 of them) into his bomb shelter (yes, he
built a bomb shelter in the backyard - I guess he was way ahead of his
time)
All she remembers are the planes in the sky and the sound of
explosions. She was 5yrs 3mo old.
I have read of old timers, mostly servicemen tell about seeing the
Japanese pilots in their planes. That might be true, but I doubt if a
five-year old civilian saw the same thing. Betcha your dad kinda
embellished his recount of that day. Many old timers tend to do this.
My father-in-law later helped in the raising of some of the sunken
American ships. He was a welder and worked at PH for the duration of
the war. Right after the war he moved his family to Omao, Kauai where
he built many homes. He retired after working 20 years with the state
of Hawaii.

Eddie

My dad didn't talk about Pearl Harbor much, not even when we lived their
in the late 60's. I have often wondered what thought while the movie
Tora Tora Tora was being filmed. They even used the wardroom of the ship
he had command of to film a couple of scenes for the movie.

There is a book "Hawaii Goes to War: The Aftermath of Pearl Harbor"
written by my aunt and her husband. It concentrates mostly about the
what happened form the civilian side of things and what my aunts
perspective was. My uncle has written many history books. It doesn't
have a lot about my dad in it, some pictures and a reference her and
there, mostly because it was written from my aunts perspective.

You can get copies through Amazon for as little as $3.50. There are some
fantastic pictures of some of the battle ships and some other images
from around the island that most have never seen.

On Dec 8, 7:40*pm, BAR wrote:
In article , hawaii-50
@sbcglobal.net says...





On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article 4486b8e5-bd03-42b1-b431-
, says....

Remembering the day.

My dad was there a child of 5 along with his sister watching the planes.
His one vivid memory of that day is the face of one Japanese pilot he
saw. Also, my grand-fathers ship the USS Shaw, the famous explosion
picture, was there and my grand-mother took most of the photos in the
hours and days after that were used by the media and the government.

BAR, my wife was also a witness to the attack that day. *But unlike
your dad, my wife's father didn't waste anytime and hustled all the
little ones (there were 5 of them) into his bomb shelter (yes, he
built a bomb shelter in the backyard - I guess he was way ahead of his
time)
All she remembers are the planes in the sky and the sound of
explosions. *She was 5yrs 3mo old.
I have read of old timers, mostly servicemen tell about seeing the
Japanese pilots in their planes. *That might be true, but I doubt if a
five-year old civilian saw the same thing. *Betcha your dad kinda
embellished his recount of that day. *Many old timers tend to do this..
My father-in-law later helped in the raising of some of the sunken
American ships. *He was a welder and worked at PH for the duration of
the war. *Right after the war he moved his family to Omao, Kauai where
he built many homes. *He retired after working 20 years with the state
of Hawaii.

Eddie

My dad didn't talk about Pearl Harbor much, not even when we lived their
in the late 60's. I have often wondered what thought while the movie
Tora Tora Tora was being filmed. They even used the wardroom of the ship
he had command of to film a couple of scenes for the movie.

There is a book "Hawaii Goes to War: The Aftermath of Pearl Harbor"
written by my aunt and her husband. It concentrates mostly about the
what happened form the civilian side of things and what my aunts
perspective was. My uncle has written many history books. It doesn't
have a lot about my dad in it, some pictures and a reference her and
there, mostly because it was written from my aunts perspective.

You can get copies through Amazon for as little as $3.50. There are some
fantastic pictures of some of the battle ships and some other images
from around the island that most have never seen.

I'll look for it.

thanks!

"Tim" wrote in message
...

While bypassing the bickering, I thought I'd post a reminder of one of
the most solemn days in U.S History, via the attack on Pearl harbor
and the sinking of the crippling of the Pacific fleet.

Remembering the day.

-------

My wife's grandfather was on the Arizona when it went down. He was topside
and survived the attack. We always tip a glass to the old sailor and his
shipmates on 7 December.

On 12/8/10 1:23 PM, MMC wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...

While bypassing the bickering, I thought I'd post a reminder of one of
the most solemn days in U.S History, via the attack on Pearl harbor
and the sinking of the crippling of the Pacific fleet.

Remembering the day.

-------

My wife's grandfather was on the Arizona when it went down. He was
topside and survived the attack. We always tip a glass to the old sailor
and his shipmates on 7 December.



It's good to remember the people, especially relatives and friends, who
were involved in the great events of their day. I lost two uncles during
WW II that I never met. My parents (each lost a brother) and
grandparents talked some about their war dead and there were a few old
photos, but that's all there was.

I presume your wife got to know her grandfather after the war.

My father and his older brother, both of whom had been working for their
uncle during the Depression, started up a part-time small machine shop
in New Haven just before the war, and were subcontractors to several
Waterbury-based brass companies during the war, which kept both of them
out of it. I think they worked the shop on the weekends. I don't have
real details, but my father and uncle were involved in the relatively
low-tech production aspects of "experimental" shell casings for the
Watervliet Arsenal up near Albany, NY. They apparently were pretty good
at it, since they received numerous awards for their work.
Not bad for a couple of liberal arts graduates of a Pennsylvania college!

After the war, my dad went into the boat, motorcycle and motor scooter
business. The uncle opened an appliance store in Massachusetts, but sold
it after a decade to go into the manufacture and sale of outdoor
sporting and camping gear and clothing.

These were the opportunities of first-generation Americans.