On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:48:26 -0800 (PST), "Jack."
wrote:

On Nov 24, 8:39*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:19:37 -0800 (PST), "Jack."





wrote:
On Nov 24, 4:42*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote:
I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image,
having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my
jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same
production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll
all stay safe.

It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because
of the new rules, at least they got home safe.

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The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael
Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought
with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it
bipartisan?
If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up
to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board,
like before?
It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security.

I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p.

There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty
widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us
safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach.
Most of this should happen before the airport.

This is all to make flying on a commercial flight safer, and it does
achieve something toward that. *It does not try to make the airport
itself safe... that has never been the goal. *If a terrorist simply
wants to kill lots of people, there are many environments that are
more target dense and less secure than an airport. *Concerts and
sporting events, to name two.

Something, but not very much. Why would a terrorist care if he killed
people on the ground vs. in the air? It's pretty obvious that anyone
trying to get on a plane has to go through a lot more hassle than
simply walking into the airport.

I thought the point was to make us safer? I don't recall DHS claiming
to make us safer only on the plane.

The conversation is about TSA agents and security screening at
airports. That's only about airborne security.

Wider DHS measures are another thing completely.

So boarding isn't related to airborne security? Nice try!

If you want to be safer while flying, don't allow the cockpit doors to
be opened during flights. Then, no matter what sharp implement is
available (and there are plenty) the pilots can't be involved other
than landing the plane.