"Gene" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:10:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 21:42:01 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 2, 5:27 pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm not
too desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely in a
bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper
sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who
are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

One problem with dualies is that unless you're loaded with
something, they can be fairly worthless on snow, ice or even heavy
rain. Too much flotation in the back end.

Of course, you might not have a problem w/that out on the east coast.

Never had a problem with that... the trick is narrow tires. Hugely
wide tires, the wider the better, make sense on sand, not so with the
Piedmont hard red clay and snow and ice....

I've read that dualies cut down on your mileage significantly. Are you sure
you
need 'em?

Probably not. I haven't found that they cut down on mileage, but they
are damn expensive to buy. They add a LOT of stability....

I'm really leaning toward super singles....





--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186


Reply:
They cut down the places you can park! And notice how many dualies have
broken fenders. ;)

"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Nov 4, 7:42 am, HarryK wrote:
On 11/4/10 8:37 AM, Paul@BYC wrote:



On 11/3/2010 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:10:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 21:42:01 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Nov 2, 5:27 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm
not too desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely
in a bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper
sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for
a
replacement for the current truck....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people
who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

One problem with dualies is that unless you're loaded with
something, they can be fairly worthless on snow, ice or even heavy
rain. Too much flotation in the back end.

Of course, you might not have a problem w/that out on the east
coast.

Never had a problem with that... the trick is narrow tires. Hugely
wide tires, the wider the better, make sense on sand, not so with the
Piedmont hard red clay and snow and ice....

I've read that dualies cut down on your mileage significantly. Are
you sure you
need 'em?

Probably not. I haven't found that they cut down on mileage, but they
are damn expensive to buy. They add a LOT of stability....

I'm really leaning toward super singles....

One of the joys of owning a small boat that can be trailered is that you
don't need a humongous truck to tow it.

Yes! Since I no longer own a trailerboat and have no intention of buying
another, my next "utility" vehicle will be a small pickup, like a Ford
Ranger or whatever the corresponding Toyota is. If you can get one with
4WD and a four cylinder engine, that's what I want.

Every so often I read where Toyota is planning to import a small diesel
pickup. I don't know if that is still in the planning stages.

i dont' know why they quit. Off and on, the Japanese have been
importing small pickup's with diesel for years. They bring them in for
a while then quit for a while, then repeat the process.


Reply:
They do not meet the emissions particulate requirements. Seems odd, that
they get 2-3x the mileage of the same vehicle in gas. Just burn up the
energy in the tailpipe I guess. Rented a VW Jetta TDI about 5 years ago in
Italy. ran 95 mph down the highway with gusto, thought it was gas, when I
pulled in to the station the attendant informed me it was an Olio car. Do
not know the exact mileage but was very good. Probably in the 50 mpg range.

"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Nov 4, 7:37 am, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
On 11/3/2010 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:



On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:10:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 21:42:01 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Nov 2, 5:27 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm not
too desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely in
a bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper
sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who
are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage

http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

One problem with dualies is that unless you're loaded with
something, they can be fairly worthless on snow, ice or even heavy
rain. Too much flotation in the back end.

Of course, you might not have a problem w/that out on the east coast.

Never had a problem with that... the trick is narrow tires. Hugely
wide tires, the wider the better, make sense on sand, not so with the
Piedmont hard red clay and snow and ice....

I've read that dualies cut down on your mileage significantly. Are you
sure you
need 'em?

Probably not. I haven't found that they cut down on mileage, but they
are damn expensive to buy. They add a LOT of stability....

I'm really leaning toward super singles....

One of the joys of owning a small boat that can be trailered is that you
don't need a humongous truck to tow it.

Or slip rent.


I tow a 21' boat. Nice size for comfort and safety where I boat. Love the
diesel pickup for both the mileage and the safety while pulling. My S10
blazer would pull the boat, but it was near the same weight, so who was
really in control?

"Gene" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:09:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:27:36 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm not too
desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely in a
bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper
sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

I love this truck. I wish it had a little smaller turning radius, but so
far
that's all I've got to complain about. And, now that I know how much room
it
takes, even that's not a problem.

Towing that trailer, I get 35% better mileage than I got with the 4Runner.
On
the highway, I'm getting between 20 and 21 mpg. That's better than the
4Runner
by about a gallon. Can't complain, given the size of the turbo diesel. It's
comfortable, roomy, and I'm thrilled with it.

What sort of mileage are you seeing without towing?





--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186


Reply:
the 20-21 would be non towing. I get about 18.5-19.5 running 79 mph to Los
Angeles and the newer Chevys have an extra gear in the tranny and get about
a mile better.

On 11/4/2010 8:16 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:42 am, wrote:
On 11/4/10 8:37 AM, Paul@BYC wrote:



On 11/3/2010 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:10:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 21:42:01 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Nov 2, 5:27 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm
not too desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely
in a bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper
sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people
who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

One problem with dualies is that unless you're loaded with
something, they can be fairly worthless on snow, ice or even heavy
rain. Too much flotation in the back end.

Of course, you might not have a problem w/that out on the east coast.

Never had a problem with that... the trick is narrow tires. Hugely
wide tires, the wider the better, make sense on sand, not so with the
Piedmont hard red clay and snow and ice....

I've read that dualies cut down on your mileage significantly. Are
you sure you
need 'em?

Probably not. I haven't found that they cut down on mileage, but they
are damn expensive to buy. They add a LOT of stability....

I'm really leaning toward super singles....

One of the joys of owning a small boat that can be trailered is that you
don't need a humongous truck to tow it.

Yes! Since I no longer own a trailerboat and have no intention of buying
another, my next "utility" vehicle will be a small pickup, like a Ford
Ranger or whatever the corresponding Toyota is. If you can get one with
4WD and a four cylinder engine, that's what I want.

Every so often I read where Toyota is planning to import a small diesel
pickup. I don't know if that is still in the planning stages.

i dont' know why they quit. Off and on, the Japanese have been
importing small pickup's with diesel for years. They bring them in for
a while then quit for a while, then repeat the process.


I just found out Isuzu no longer brings consumer vehicles over here. I
was curious because I remember an Isuzu diesel and when I looked it up,
the site said the company stopped exporting smaller vehicles to the USA
several years ago.

Where's Joe Isuzu?

On 11/4/2010 8:13 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:37 am, wrote:
On 11/3/2010 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:



On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:10:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 21:42:01 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Nov 2, 5:27 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm not too desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely in a bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

One problem with dualies is that unless you're loaded with
something, they can be fairly worthless on snow, ice or even heavy
rain. Too much flotation in the back end.

Of course, you might not have a problem w/that out on the east coast.

Never had a problem with that... the trick is narrow tires. Hugely
wide tires, the wider the better, make sense on sand, not so with the
Piedmont hard red clay and snow and ice....

I've read that dualies cut down on your mileage significantly. Are you sure you
need 'em?

Probably not. I haven't found that they cut down on mileage, but they
are damn expensive to buy. They add a LOT of stability....

I'm really leaning toward super singles....

One of the joys of owning a small boat that can be trailered is that you
don't need a humongous truck to tow it.

Or slip rent.


I have "free" use of one side of a lake boathouse for one boat. The
other boat incurs some heavy slip fees. Hey, it's only money, and if I
didn't spend it on the boat, the crooks on wall street would have taken
it. Why should they have fun with my money? :)

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:28:19 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:09:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:27:36 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm not too desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely in a bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

I love this truck. I wish it had a little smaller turning radius, but so far
that's all I've got to complain about. And, now that I know how much room it
takes, even that's not a problem.

Towing that trailer, I get 35% better mileage than I got with the 4Runner. On
the highway, I'm getting between 20 and 21 mpg. That's better than the 4Runner
by about a gallon. Can't complain, given the size of the turbo diesel. It's
comfortable, roomy, and I'm thrilled with it.

What sort of mileage are you seeing without towing?

Around town it's dropping back into the 17-18mpg range. The highway figure above
was without towing.

I am planning on riding the bicycle or motorcycle more for the short,
around-town trips and the longer trips when I go by myself. The motorcycle gets
45-50 mpg, if I keep it around 70. Yesterday we put new seals in the final drive
and a new tire on the rear. Damn tires are getting expensive.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 23:23:52 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:09:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:27:36 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm not too
desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely in a
bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper
sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

I love this truck. I wish it had a little smaller turning radius, but so
far
that's all I've got to complain about. And, now that I know how much room
it
takes, even that's not a problem.

Towing that trailer, I get 35% better mileage than I got with the 4Runner.
On
the highway, I'm getting between 20 and 21 mpg. That's better than the
4Runner
by about a gallon. Can't complain, given the size of the turbo diesel. It's
comfortable, roomy, and I'm thrilled with it.

What sort of mileage are you seeing without towing?

CB, by putting your reply after the sig line, it's getting cut off when
responding with Agent. I was wondering what you're driving, and what engine
you've got.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H

On Nov 4, 8:37*am, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
On 11/3/2010 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:



On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:10:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 21:42:01 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Nov 2, 5:27 pm, *wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm not too desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely in a bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
* -Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
* http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

One problem with * dualies is that unless you're loaded with
something, they can be fairly worthless on snow, ice or even heavy
rain. *Too much flotation in the back end.

Of course, you might not have a problem w/that out on the east coast..

Never had a problem with that... the trick is narrow tires. Hugely
wide tires, the wider the better, make sense on sand, not so with the
Piedmont hard red clay and snow and ice....

I've read that dualies cut down on your mileage significantly. Are you sure you
need 'em?

Probably not. I haven't found that they cut down on mileage, but they
are damn expensive to buy. They add a LOT of stability....

I'm really leaning toward super singles....

One of the joys of owning a small boat that can be trailered is that you
don't need a humongous truck to tow it.

But it's so much more pleasurable with a big, red truck!

On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 07:48:32 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote:

On 11/4/2010 8:16 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:42 am, wrote:
On 11/4/10 8:37 AM, Paul@BYC wrote:



On 11/3/2010 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:10:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 21:42:01 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Nov 2, 5:27 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:39 -0400, John
wrote:

After all y'all's comments about the 4WD, and the fact that I'm
not too desirous
of a white truck, I went with this one:

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

Hopefully they'll leave that page up for a few days.

I drove it home last night. It drives well. But, it's definitely
in a bigger
league than the 4Runner.

Now if I can just find a nice place for the "Save the Bay" bumper
sticker.

I, for one, would be very interested in frequent updates, opinions,
and squawks. I'm seriously considering a K2500 or K3500 dually for a
replacement for the current truck....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people
who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

One problem with dualies is that unless you're loaded with
something, they can be fairly worthless on snow, ice or even heavy
rain. Too much flotation in the back end.

Of course, you might not have a problem w/that out on the east coast.

Never had a problem with that... the trick is narrow tires. Hugely
wide tires, the wider the better, make sense on sand, not so with the
Piedmont hard red clay and snow and ice....

I've read that dualies cut down on your mileage significantly. Are
you sure you
need 'em?

Probably not. I haven't found that they cut down on mileage, but they
are damn expensive to buy. They add a LOT of stability....

I'm really leaning toward super singles....

One of the joys of owning a small boat that can be trailered is that you
don't need a humongous truck to tow it.

Yes! Since I no longer own a trailerboat and have no intention of buying
another, my next "utility" vehicle will be a small pickup, like a Ford
Ranger or whatever the corresponding Toyota is. If you can get one with
4WD and a four cylinder engine, that's what I want.

Every so often I read where Toyota is planning to import a small diesel
pickup. I don't know if that is still in the planning stages.

i dont' know why they quit. Off and on, the Japanese have been
importing small pickup's with diesel for years. They bring them in for
a while then quit for a while, then repeat the process.


I just found out Isuzu no longer brings consumer vehicles over here. I
was curious because I remember an Isuzu diesel and when I looked it up,
the site said the company stopped exporting smaller vehicles to the USA
several years ago.

Where's Joe Isuzu?

Isuzu is still having its influence:

"GM and Isuzu entered into a capital agreement in 1971. That relationship
continued to flourish and grow, and in 1997 GM and Isuzu agreed that Isuzu would
become the global C.O.E. (Center of Expertise) for diesel engine development
within General Motors.

One year later, GM and Isuzu formed a joint venture for the development and
production of the 6.6 liter Duramax Diesel.
The Duramax 6600 Turbo Diesel was the product to meet a rather bold goal."

from: http://www.shadetreemechanic.com/duramax_diesel.htm (Which is a pretty
good read.)
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H