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On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:33:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:17:26 -0400, Secular Humoresque
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That's part of the "fix" but most people take personal responsibility
if
given half a chance. Personal responsibility doesn't help much if
you're
making minimum wage or have medical problems.


If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still eligible for
Medicaid.

As well you should be.


That is why "the poor" were a red herring in this whole health care
debate. The people most likely not to have insurance are in the
25k-50k range and the younger of them by choice ... until they get
sick.
From what I am seeing, they may still choose not to have insurance and
just pay the fine until 2014 when it really becomes a number.

I think when this shakes out, you will see a whole lot of people on
high deductible plans and they still won't be able to afford to go to
doctors for minor ailments.

It's hardly every "by choice." It's more about not being able to afford
much.

And, it's not as simple as you make it out to be re the fine. Read up.

If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to
buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free.

So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as the
person who has $3K sitting in the bank?

You keep talking about the government 35% subsidy but the rates have
gone up close to 100% so you still will have employers who will not be
offering insurance. The small business people we know are still scared
to death about how this will work out for them and that is why they
are not hiring. The kid that used to be my wife's assistant is working
70-80 hours a week at the gate company as is his boss because they are
afraid to hire anyone.

?? Firstly, I never said anything about subsidies. Yes, there will be
employers who don't offer insurance. And, that means they don't have to
spend money on those programs and can hire people. I don't know who you've
been talking to, but the definition of a small business seems pretty loose.
There are some pretty big companies that are technically and for tax
purposes are considered "small businesses."

Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people. They
are certainly afraid.

He is happy with the money tho. This is a smart kid and he is paying
down his mortgage with his overtime.