On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT),
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On Sep 29, 1:09 am, wrote:
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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also
like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups
than gas.

The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are
plenty on the used market now that they are out of work.


The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered
equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank
from which to pump fuel.

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On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT),
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On Sep 29, 1:09 am, wrote:
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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also
like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups
than gas.

The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are
plenty on the used market now that they are out of work.


The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered
equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank
from which to pump fuel.

Really? Is that the only reason, spoofer?

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:30:28 -0400, "Dr. Karen Grear, MD, PhD, STD"
wrote:

On 9/28/10 5:25 PM, John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

If you put lots of miles on the diesel engine you will save money in
maintenance and longevity. The diesel will still be running long after
you have gone to the fishing hole in the sky.

OK, I'll agree with that. But, I'd probably trade it before my 85th birthday
anyway! Hell, I'm not buying the damn thing for my kids.

Thanks for the advice though. For a woman, you're pretty truck knowledgeable.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:02:22 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John H
wrote:

Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system
in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this
point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is
supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done.

I've heard of the urea system, although I know nothing about it. Two fellow
campers have bought new rigs this past year. Both bought 2009 models just so
they wouldn't have to contend with the urea system.

Anyway, your response caused me to find out a little more about the urea system.
For those totally ignorant, as I was, here is an intro site:
http://tinyurl.com/cyk8ub

Thanks for the response.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:40:16 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John H
wrote:

Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

I think it depends on how you are going to use it. If you keep your
present camping trailer, you'd probably be happy with either a Tundra
or a F150. I've had my extended cab Tundra for 9 years now and like
it a lot. It's barely broken in at 90,000 miles. Buying new I'd get
it with the larger engine and the full crew cab.

On the other hand if you want a bigger/heavier trailer, and are going
to continue doing long trips, diesel is the way to go. One of my
neighbors has a F350 diesel dually and he claims to get 18 to 19 mpg
on the interstates when he's not towing.

You're right. I just looked up the towing capacities for a couple of the small
gassers. They're right around 10K. Then I looked for small fifth wheel trailers.
There aren't too many that are less than 10K, that's for sure. I may have to
scratch Toyota off the list. Hell, the Tundra will tow only about 1500 lbs more
than my 4Runner.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Sep 28, 4:25*pm, John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

If you dont' need it then a diesel wouldn't be worth the extra, but If
you'r planning on pulling your camper or boat A LOT! Then the fuel
economy and power would be on you're side, John.

A trip to Alaska is in the works. Might have good need of all the power and
capacity.

Thanks.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On 9/29/10 2:58 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 28, 4:25 pm, John wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

If you dont' need it then a diesel wouldn't be worth the extra, but If
you'r planning on pulling your camper or boat A LOT! Then the fuel
economy and power would be on you're side, John.

A trip to Alaska is in the works. Might have good need of all the power and
capacity.

Thanks.


No camper needed:

http://www.salterylodge.com/


--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

On Sep 28, 8:19*pm, LG wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John
wrote:

Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system
in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this
point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is
supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done.

In my case, the emissions aren't as clean when it's empty but I can
still drive it.

Your " emissions " in this NG are quite noticeable. They reek of ****,
and Panty Liners menstrual blood.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:54:18 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

$8,000 = 121 fill-ups for my gasser truck's 25 gallon tank at 22 gallons
per fill-up. This all translates into about 54,000 miles of driving the
truck.

That sounds like a lot, but I've already got over 60K on my 4Runner. It's a
2008. And, we've only just begun this camping stuff!
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Sep 29, 11:51*am, Secular Humourist wrote:
On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote:



On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT),
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On Sep 29, 1:09 am, *wrote:
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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also
like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel *pickups
than gas.

The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are
plenty on the used market now that they are out of work.

The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered
equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank
from which to pump fuel.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

BUT.... Farm Diesel is dyed. Up here, they DO check for that at the
Weigh Scales. If caught in the family truck, she's a stiff fine. It
may also cause you to loose your Farm Tax Exemption.