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"John H" wrote in message ...
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.


You never know where GM is going to be when Obama is out of office in 2012. Who can predict if they can stand on their own feet.
I'd go for Ford. But do you really need a beefy truck to pull the rig you have?

He may have a few legs to crush.

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"John H" wrote in message ...
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.


You never know where GM is going to be when Obama is out of office in 2012. Who can predict if they can stand on their own feet.
I'd go for Ford. But do you really need a beefy truck to pull the rig you have?

He may have a few legs to crush.


You can crush legs with a F150. Krause can tell you how to do it.

--
Harry
"The 'C' students run the world."

John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In
the end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John
wrote:


Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system
in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this
point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is
supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done.

In my case, the emissions aren't as clean when it's empty but I can
still drive it.

"LG" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John
wrote:


Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota
doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck
is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly,
but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system
in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this
point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is
supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done.

In my case, the emissions aren't as clean when it's empty but I can still
drive it.

You can probably get some antibiotic for that.

"LG" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also
like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

In article ,
says...

John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In
the end you just fill up more often.

My mechanic told that you really need to fill up with the 93 octane gas
to overcome all of the crap they put into fuel these days to make it
more fuel friendly.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

On 9/29/10 8:00 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleavmdnUed1_nRGD_RnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In
the end you just fill up more often.

My mechanic told that you really need to fill up with the 93 octane gas
to overcome all of the crap they put into fuel these days to make it
more fuel friendly.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!




Toyota sells diesel-powered pickup trucks in Europe. There have been
rumors that it would also sell them in the USA.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

On Sep 29, 1:09*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"LG" wrote in message

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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also
like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups
than gas.

In article ,
says...

On 9/28/10 6:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John
wrote:

Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system
in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this
point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is
supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done.


What could be better than Herring stuck on the side of the road at night
adjacent to a neighborhood full of those dark-skinned Americans he so
fears and hates?

Bring it on!

Spoofer alert! That reply was just as stupid as some of my little buddy
Don's.