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Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.

That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Saw a clip of it this morning on the news. She really does suck at
dancing, the dude that got stuck with her must be ****ed;) And in my
opinion, her legs ain't that great either..

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OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

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OK dad...

I wonder...when Palin's next daughter gets pregnant, will sarah invite
the young man to move into her daughter's bedroom, as she did with
Sprocket or whatever her name is?

You gotta get over this fixation you have with Palin. She wouldn't give you the time of day, if she knew you existed.- Hide quoted text -

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It's his fixation with little kids having sex that would bother me if
I were more local...


I'm not the one spending the weekends in a tent with an underaged
daughter, doing who knows what...you are.

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:39:01 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

This is just Plume changing the subject again. The open question was
how she would reduce the number of guns and she took off on a
biometric trigger lock that doesn't even exist yet. Do you think
anyone would actually buy that gun? They do make some that respond to
an RFID tag in a ring or watch but they didn't sell either.

Which I responded to. No subject was changed. Sounds like you don't
believe
there are technical as well as societal solutions to our problems.

You just avoided the question
How does making new guns with this miracle technology reduce the
number of existing guns? It really would only make the existing ones
more valuable much like the price of "pre-ban" semi-autos shot up when
Clinton passed the AWB. It wasn't rational but any time you say
something will not be made anymore, people snap them up.

I did not. If a gun can't be stolen and used illegally very easily gun
violence would go down.

Yes, you're right! Existing guns would not be affected and they would!!
become more valuable. If regs were in place that make it more difficult to
purchase used guns, then that too would limit their use for criminals and
would increase the likelihood they are properly protected.

Clinton? Are you talking about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm...Protection_Act

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you
are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.



Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them.
Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.



That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The
Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance
well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few
weeks?

Actually, it makes you and your bunk buddy fools.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof, it's
also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright enough to
do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.

That would be a bad assumption. Every criminal on the street may not
know how to take a gun apart and fix it but it really only takes a few
to turn useless "locked" guns into an unlocked ones and sell it. These
are the same ones who know how to unlock cell phones, make credit card
skimmers and build a very good silencer from a half dozen .5l water
bottles or a piece of PVC pipe and a hand full of milk bottle caps.

The biggest problem with engineers is they assume the person defeating
their next big thing will have to work as hard and defeat it the same
way they built it. They get embarrassed when a very simple trick gets
around a very complicated device.
Just think about that high tech bicycle lock that you could open with
the barrel of a BIC pen. Most locks can be picked with a paper clip
and something to put tension on the lock (Ball point pen ?) Kids
learn how to do this in elementary or middle school these days. I
didn't learn until my sophomore year of high school. ;-)

You just pretty much confirmed it that it is a valid assumption. You're
claiming equivalency of high tech kids unlocking phones to criminals
disabling trigger locks?? Talk about false equivalency. Also, unlocking
a
phone isn't a criminal act typically.



I wonder about that.

I wondered too. It is certainly a breach of contract and I would not
bet some places have made it illegal, just like hacking a cable or
satellite box is illegal. The point was, underestimating the
intelligence of criminals bites us in the ass every time we do it and
usually the actual hack is so simple it makes us wonder why we trusted
the technology in the first place. Once someone figures it out, it
shows up on you tube within an hour.
There is a link for the "5 minute $5 shotgun" on the home repair NG as
we speak. It is crude but it goes bang every time.

If it is, I'd be pretty surprised. Lots and lots of people jailbreak their
iPhones. I know someone who did, didn't like the result and unbroke it.

Yeah, criminals are so smart. Incredibly, a lot end up in jail. Brilliant
lot.

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:37:45 -0400, "Harry ?"
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:03:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof,
it's also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright
enough to do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.

That would be a bad assumption. Every criminal on the street may not
know how to take a gun apart and fix it but it really only takes a
few
to turn useless "locked" guns into an unlocked ones and sell it.
These
are the same ones who know how to unlock cell phones, make credit
card
skimmers and build a very good silencer from a half dozen .5l water
bottles or a piece of PVC pipe and a hand full of milk bottle caps.

The biggest problem with engineers is they assume the person
defeating
their next big thing will have to work as hard and defeat it the same
way they built it. They get embarrassed when a very simple trick gets
around a very complicated device.
Just think about that high tech bicycle lock that you could open with
the barrel of a BIC pen. Most locks can be picked with a paper clip
and something to put tension on the lock (Ball point pen ?) Kids
learn how to do this in elementary or middle school these days. I
didn't learn until my sophomore year of high school. ;-)

You just pretty much confirmed it that it is a valid assumption.
You're
claiming equivalency of high tech kids unlocking phones to criminals
disabling trigger locks?? Talk about false equivalency. Also,
unlocking a
phone isn't a criminal act typically.



I wonder about that.

I wondered too. It is certainly a breach of contract and I would not
bet some places have made it illegal, just like hacking a cable or
satellite box is illegal. The point was, underestimating the
intelligence of criminals bites us in the ass every time we do it and
usually the actual hack is so simple it makes us wonder why we trusted
the technology in the first place. Once someone figures it out, it
shows up on you tube within an hour.
There is a link for the "5 minute $5 shotgun" on the home repair NG as
we speak. It is crude but it goes bang every time.

If it is, I'd be pretty surprised. Lots and lots of people jailbreak
their iPhones. I know someone who did, didn't like the result and
unbroke it.

Yeah, criminals are so smart. Incredibly, a lot end up in jail.
Brilliant lot.




Jailbreaking or rooting a phone is not the same as setting up a phone to
operate over another carrier's signals outside of a contract. The latter
is at the minimum a breach of contract. The former may only just brick
your phone. I've resisted rooting my smart phone. I just don't see any
reason to do it.

There are no legal penalties that I know of for jailbreaking a phone or
using it with a different carrier. People do the latter all the time when
traveling overseas for example... not quite the same thing, but close.



I'm not familiar with thievery of cell phone equipment and services.

What does Jailbreaking, rooting, and bricking mean?

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Are you a compulsive liar?




Are you a moron? But I digress... I can certainly find a prototype, but
I'm
only assuming that's what you were trying to ask, since your question
isn't
actually in English.


My English is good enough to be understood by most people. It seems like
your reading comprehension is the problem.

No doubt, but I doubt you'd pass very many English equivalency tests with
that "sentence."



Speaking of tests, when are you retaking the bar exam?

A better question would be when are you taking the bar exam in a different
state..

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DeLaPlume was asked:
Are you a compulsive liar?




Are you a moron? But I digress... I can certainly find a prototype, but
I'm
only assuming that's what you were trying to ask, since your question
isn't
actually in English.


My English is good enough to be understood by most people. It seems like
your reading comprehension is the problem.

No doubt, but I doubt you'd pass very many English equivalency tests with
that "sentence."



Speaking of tests, when are you retaking the bar exam?

A better question would be when are you taking the bar exam in a different
state..



Why?

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:51:22 -0400, "Harry ?"
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I'm not familiar with thievery of cell phone equipment and services.

What does Jailbreaking, rooting, and bricking mean?

I am not sure about all of the new phone contracts but there are some
companies that give you a free phone that is locked to their service
if you sign up for a long term contract.
People unlock them and go to another, cheaper service, leaving the
original contractor holding the bag for that phone he expected to
amortize over several years.
Now that money is harder to borrow, these plans may be more
restrictive because this is basically a loan but they used to be real
easy to qualify for.. They loan you the money to buy the phone and you
pay them back a few bucks a month in your phone bill. The locked phone
is the collateral, theoretically useless if you breach the contract.
Of course if they are lost or stolen, unlocking them makes them a
phone again, for drug dealers or anyone else who wants a throwaway
phone.
Back in the analog days, the trick was just cloning the ESN so you
could use a phone on someone elses dime. That got a lot harder to do
on a digital phone but I bet someone has figured it out. I lost
interest when my Moto bag phones stopped working (two with one ESN).

Which has nothing to do with the legality of doing this to a phone... seems
like you've changed the subject.

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Yeah, criminals are so smart. Incredibly, a lot end up in jail. Brilliant
lot.
There are plenty of very smart people in jail. Don't confuse laziness,
greed and lack of morals with intelligence.
Look at Charley Rangel

Intelligence and smartness are not necessarily the same thing.

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a....

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also *compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don'tdanceto your tune.

But... you just did!