On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The comparisn
in in $, so the "facts" are skewed. If red China's output were on a
monetary
wage equivalency with the inflated wages of the U.S. red China would be 4
times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!





oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years, the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.



I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?


I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism; "Americans"
do not.

If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:50:10 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The comparisn
in in $, so the "facts" are skewed. If red China's output were on a
monetary
wage equivalency with the inflated wages of the U.S. red China would be 4
times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.



oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years, the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism; "Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

bull****

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:50:10 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The comparisn
in in $, so the "facts" are skewed. If red China's output were on a
monetary
wage equivalency with the inflated wages of the U.S. red China would be
4
times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.



oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you
notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years,
the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism;
"Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

bull****

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than 10
years ago. And that production cost is only 20% of the sales price. So
20% less production cost, with 40% higher taxes, means the pot sells for
about the same it did 10 years ago. Make it in China and the production
cost is cut 80%, Presidents previous to your hated Bush gave "Most favored
nation" status to China, and they get to ship here without any penalty.
They cut the sales price 10% and you can not sell your American made pot.
You want fairness, make the same rules for them as do for us. You want to
make cars in China or Japan or South Korea, their laws require you partner
with a Chinese company. Tell Toyota, et. al. which company you want to
partner with. We got 3 to choose from right now. Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being
paid less every year as you are stupid. Those Chinese Engineers that you
say do not exist are doing a better job for less money, on an H-1 visa.
China has lots of engineers in China. Lots are graduates of top American
universities. Tell the Legislative bodies that the budget has to be
balanced, and you only get paid with money left over from a balanced budget.
Not borrowing $0.46 of every $1.00 the government is spending federally.
Same goes for states.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:55:27 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:





It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than 10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

is this blowing the top of your right wing head off?

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Productivity does not mean more output per manhour, it means more output
with LESS manpower - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are
being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

So do something useful to become "wealthy", whatever that is.



no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

They are nationalistic; "Americans" buy "all Asian, all the time..." then
bitch about the nondescript economy.

It's laughable, and, indicates Darwin was correct.


is this blowing the top of your right wing head off?

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
news

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Productivity does not mean more output per manhour, it means more output
with LESS manpower - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

No it doesn't. You can't even define the most simple things. This is YOUR
definition, but not the one any reasonable person would use.


Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are
being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

So do something useful to become "wealthy", whatever that is.

In your case, leave with your tail between your legs.


no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

They are nationalistic; "Americans" buy "all Asian, all the time..." then
bitch about the nondescript economy.

It's laughable, and, indicates Darwin was correct.

This indicates that you're a joke.

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:35:07 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Productivity does not mean more output per manhour, it means more output
with LESS manpower

mathematically the same. ever take a course in math?


- automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

you can have EITHER a capital intensive economy OR a labor intensive
economy. you can not have both. we had full employment a few years
back remember? and we STILL had NO wage increases. we had 28%
increase in producdtivity in the last 10 years and STILL no wage
increases while the wealthly went up.

why only in the US?

answer: people like you who push the right wing kool aid


Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are
being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

So do something useful to become "wealthy", whatever that is.

IOW you can't answer the question. yep. i knew it.




no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

They are nationalistic; "Americans" buy "all Asian, all the time..." then
bitch about the nondescript economy.

notice he refuses to answer the question of why there's less of a
spread between the rich and middle classes in other countries?

he can't handle it. to him, the US is about the myth of the american
dream. he doesnt realize the weatlhy use that as an opiate precisely
for people like him

On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

- automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

you can have EITHER a capital intensive economy OR a labor intensive
economy. you can not have both. we had full employment a few years
back remember? and we STILL had NO wage increases. we had 28%
increase in producdtivity in the last 10 years and STILL no wage
increases while the wealthly went up.

why only in the US?

For much of this period Canada took it in the ass like companies did in your
country. It has improved faster in Canada, but will not return to 2000 to
2004 levels.

Full employment of minimum wage clerks (crap wages, not the artificial and
destructive statute minimum wage) is fine for the equivalent lifestyle. The
previous subject was the middle class. Wages stagnated and decreased due to
a tremendous decrease in demand for everything from design and engineering
to factory labor. I had a machine department manager that offered to take
the job at the same rate I paid my secretary 18 years prior. Why? The
market sets the price of wages. Always. If you aren't needed, why would you
be paid more, or be employed at all? What I'm explaining is visible to the
naked eye, it has nothing to do with the idiocy of political superstitions
or the bedwetters you stare slack jawed at on television. I detect YOU
haven't had a wage increase either. You're in the wrong country.

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.

I don't understand, the scum you elect tell you it's good for you, totally
disregarding the fact that cost is unrelated to price.




oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no
unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you
notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years,
the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise? Ever heard of earning a raise?
What have you done to improve your capabilities?


not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism;
"Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost
anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

Go spend a night in downtown Frankfurt, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, see the
homes and amenities, the hotel you can occupy for $200 a night. (US$, as
they are worthless). In the U.S. of 25 years ago it would be considered
government housing.

But it's better there, right?

Speaking of U.S. dollars, Philippine Banks almost never accept U.S. currency
exchange any more. To get Php you need to use an ATM or find a high rate
dollar exchange booth at "the market." That's impressive.

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:21:23 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.

I don't understand, the scum you elect tell you it's good for you, totally
disregarding the fact that cost is unrelated to price.

sorry. never voted conservative in my life

and i'm sure the fascist dicitatorship of your country is all about
egalitarianism

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise?

because it's good for the economy, moron.

Ever heard of earning a raise?
What have you done to improve your capabilities?

why? do you think i'm the ENTIRE middle class?

oh. you cant handle that questions.


americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost
anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

Go spend a night in downtown Frankfurt, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, see the
homes and amenities, the hotel you can occupy for $200 a night. (US$, as
they are worthless). In the U.S. of 25 years ago it would be considered
government housing.

uh...i've been to europe a number of times. i ask again:

why dont they have the huge spread between the middle class and the
rich that we do?

go ahead. answer the question.


oh. you can't



But it's better there, right?

Speaking of U.S. dollars, Philippine Banks almost never accept U.S. currency
exchange any more. To get Php you need to use an ATM or find a high rate
dollar exchange booth at "the market." That's impressive.

gee. i was in malaysia 2 years ago and korea this year. used the US
dollar everywhere