On 8-Sep-2010, Wayne.B wrote:

There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are
long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the

neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They
haven't
given up.

I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so
called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. The war in Iraq was
ill advised and increased debt but hardly wrecked the economy. The
deregulation of Wall Street was already well along under the Clinton
administration. Relaxation of mortgage lending standards began in
the Clinton administration. What else?

One way trade agreements that bled all productivity from the U.S., initiated
by Clinton with the most favorite nation status, and NAFTA, originally
promoted by Bush 1. The maniacs however all blame W because they want
higher welfare checks and didn't think it might happen until the current
jackass took office. It WON'T happen (lowest income rate goes up 50% on
January 1, 2011) now either, but the mindless worship will continue. The
key word is mindless.

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
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On 8-Sep-2010, Wayne.B wrote:

There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are
long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but
the

neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They
haven't
given up.

I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so
called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy. The war in Iraq was
ill advised and increased debt but hardly wrecked the economy. The
deregulation of Wall Street was already well along under the Clinton
administration. Relaxation of mortgage lending standards began in
the Clinton administration. What else?

One way trade agreements that bled all productivity from the U.S.,
initiated
by Clinton with the most favorite nation status, and NAFTA, originally
promoted by Bush 1. The maniacs however all blame W because they want
higher welfare checks and didn't think it might happen until the current
jackass took office. It WON'T happen (lowest income rate goes up 50% on
January 1, 2011) now either, but the mindless worship will continue. The
key word is mindless.

Well, wait a sec. You're a maniac and you don't blame W.

On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:25:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:07:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are
long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the
neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't
given up.

I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so
called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy.

American imperialism in the mid-east to the tune of 3 trillion,
giveaways to the rich to the tune of 1 trillion. Rabid support of the
push for least cost labor that's undermined the US economy and the
entire middle class.

Need more?

On 8-Sep-2010, jps wrote:

I'd be interested in hearing about exactly what you think the so
called "neocons" did to wreck the US economy.

American imperialism in the mid-east to the tune of 3 trillion,
giveaways to the rich to the tune of 1 trillion. Rabid support of the
push for least cost labor that's undermined the US economy and the
entire middle class.

Need more?

Take an English class (EASL??) - those were simply vague accusations. -
Unless, by actions, are you referring to rightard Clinton's most favored
nation status for red China or NAFTA?

On 8-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no
bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it
would interrupt Dancing for Dollars.

There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are
long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the
neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They haven't

given up.

When the concepts implied in the writings were in place, the U.S. was
growing exponentially, uneducated millions were making good wages and all
were successful. Now (since the 70's) handouts from the productive minority
(who are now gone) have taken priority, and the masses have to move back to
concrete housing complexes.

Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but
they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to
bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME FROM
YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke.

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 02:04:29 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:




Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but
they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to
bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME FROM
YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke.

productivity went up 30% between 1997 and 2007. the middle class saw
none of this in increased wages while the rich got richer.

On 8-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but
they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to
bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME
FROM
YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke.

productivity went up 30% between 1997 and 2007. the middle class saw
none of this in increased wages while the rich got richer.

Productivity has nothing to do (usually) with labor hours. Automation and
imported materials (such as in the autos you buy) decrease costs; cost has
nothing to do with price, productivity increases as prices remain the same
or increase with the lower cost or labor consumption. Less resources are
used during output, revenue is maintained and profits increase. Increased
productivity has nothing to do with factory rats working harder. In fact,
technology and imports made labor irrelevant.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 02:04:29 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:




Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but
they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to
bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME
FROM
YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke.

productivity went up 30% between 1997 and 2007. the middle class saw
none of this in increased wages while the rich got richer.

Overall productivity went down. Productivity per hour worked may have
increased, via automation, etc. But production went down. Why we have a
large segment unemployed, and imports cause a huge trade deficit. Rich got
richer from siding with government that they purchased via Congress people
and Presidents. Most of those who got richer were not in the production of
real goods arena.

On 10-Sep-2010, "Califbill" wrote:

FROM
YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke.

productivity went up 30% between 1997 and 2007. the middle class saw
none of this in increased wages while the rich got richer.

Overall productivity went down. Productivity per hour worked may have
increased, via automation, etc. But production went down. Why we have a
large segment unemployed, and imports cause a huge trade deficit. Rich
got
richer from siding with government that they purchased via Congress people

and Presidents. Most of those who got richer were not in the production
of
real goods arena.

2 out of 310 million people grasp reality.

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 8-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

99% of the posters here couldn't read Ayn Rand - too many big words, no
bedwetting welfare philiosophy, it's takes more than 30 minutes, and it
would interrupt Dancing for Dollars.

There are no complicated concepts in Rand's books. The books are
long-winded, but they're pretty straightforward. They're fiction, but the
neocons used them as a blueprint for wrecking the US economy. They
haven't

given up.

When the concepts implied in the writings were in place, the U.S. was
growing exponentially, uneducated millions were making good wages and all
were successful. Now (since the 70's) handouts from the productive
minority
(who are now gone) have taken priority, and the masses have to move back
to
concrete housing complexes.

Productivity and profit are the goals (your wages are YOUR profit) but
they're undermined by the slime you've elected. No more handouts due to
bankruptcy, no more core industries, no more jobs. Handouts WHICH CAME
FROM
YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE cannot make you whole, and are making you broke.

You're the slime in this conversation.