Larson - Certified POS
 

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:37:37 GMT, "Dale Darling"
wrote:

Hi. Nice, "teething problems"! I understand that the other manufactuers
stuff is the problem, I only wish that some of them were caught before I
took delivery. The boat has nice lines, handles very well and was
comfortable.

I didn't mention that while running on the lake one day I ran into some good
wind driven waves and saw the walk-through windshield, which was closed,
separate enough from the starboard windshield so that the support lip which
keeps the windshield closed didn't have anything to support it. So, it fell
below the starboard windshield. This happened twice. What a pain it was to
separate the windshields enough to swing the center windshield up.

Like anything else, I guess, this was a big learning experience for me.

Thanks for the tips!

"JR North" wrote in message
...
Teething problems. Most of the stuff isn't Larson, but other
manufacturers stuff. True, a quality check *should* have
found some of the problems. Others, maybe not.
My MaXum 2550 SCR, new in 1990, had it's bitch list also.
The tach didn't work. They said they had to order another
one. I looked under the dash; it was just unplugged. The
power steering actuator chattered on turns. They replaced
it, cross threaded the pipes, and I found out when I got a
couple quarts of PS fluid in the bilge my first time out
afterwards. Several other small items; I bitched their
service dept blue until they were all corrected. Under
warranty. Now, 13 years old, the boat is perfect; no other
major problems.
In accessing the boat's quality, look to the fit/finish,
construction, power package alignment, hull lay up,
controls, wiring integrity. If the deck seam, portholes,
hatches leak, if the bulkheads pull loose, or if the deck
stress cracks or pops off when you take a capped 5 footer in
the kisser, then you have a POS. Otherwise, make them fix
everything, under warranty, and enjoy the boat.
JR

Dale Darling wrote:

I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

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You've given me enough reason to never look at a Larson!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Larson - Certified POS
 

Jim,

Two of the other brands I am considering, which are also owned by Genmar,
are Four Winns and Glastron. Not Glaspar from long ago. Please make sure all
of your ducks are lined up before you flame me.

Dale

"Jim Kelly" wrote in message
...
Larson did not build the depth finder, alternator, battery, trim gage,
trailer
or hour meter. You could have received these very same parts on a boat
that
cost twice as much.

I notice that one of the boats you are considering, due to your
misdirected
anger with Larson, is Glaspar. You clearly do not know much about boats
or who
manufacturer them.

Dale Darling wrote:

I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

Larson - Certified POS
 

Yes Maine summers are WAY too short...... =-/

Where do you boat?
Hope all is well with your new Larson.....

Jeff B In Maine
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"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I don't like to complain. In fact, I've never posted an experience like
this
before. Yes, Larson did apologize. After 3 weeks I contacted Larson about
the transducer and asked how they are building new boats without
transducers. The person I spoke to said it was a good point. He said he
would ship it that day. My reaction to the admission of the shipping error
is that the person I spoke to said he would make sure it shipped out. As
far
as the gifts go, a couple shirts, a blanket and a personal cooler are not
enough to make up for a $27K purchase that was at the dealer for repairs
for
21 days? Is that enough to satisfy you?

I wouldn't have contacted Larson if so many of the items on the boat
package
didn't fail.

I posted my experience because I wanted to get feedback from other Larson
owners and because the second Larson I looked at had 2 similar
instrumentation problems on the sea trial. And 1 instrument didn't work at
all.

You're right, they did correct all problems after 3 months. Summers are
extremely short up here.

"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:jG5ab.59079$nf3.53358@fed1read07...
While there were QC problems, Larson did apologize, correct them, and
give
you some gifts.
Makes us curious as to what you wanted them to do.
Your reaction to their admission of a shipping error makes it seem that
it's
the first time you heard of such a mistake.
Sounds like you just wanted to complain.

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a
2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due
to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after
5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up
brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on
a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder
would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless
(I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc)
and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

Larson - Certified POS
 

Larson manufactures the hull. Any problems with that? Sounds like most of
your problems were with the rigging job. That was probably done at your
dealer. So, unless that hull is cracked, it seems your issues are at the
dealer or with the makers of the equipment involved.

--
Bryan D. Greer

"If you watch a game, it's fun. If you play it, it's recreation. If you work
at it, it's golf."...Bob Hope


"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

Larson - Certified POS
 

Bryan,
I believe that the manufacturer would be the one that installs things
like instrumentation. Dale's problems seem to me to stem more from the
manufacturer than the dealer.
Paul

"Bryan Greer" wrote in message
...
Larson manufactures the hull. Any problems with that? Sounds like most of
your problems were with the rigging job. That was probably done at your
dealer. So, unless that hull is cracked, it seems your issues are at the
dealer or with the makers of the equipment involved.

--
Bryan D. Greer

"If you watch a game, it's fun. If you play it, it's recreation. If you
work
at it, it's golf."...Bob Hope


"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale