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On 8/22/2010 2:57 PM, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/22/10 6:48 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/22/2010 9:56 AM, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/22/10 1:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/22/2010 12:14 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular
wrote:

On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote:

Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the
military...

RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim
that
dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's
concert at
a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told
to
clean them up.

Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he
couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the
Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military
shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers.

"If something like that were to have happened, it would be
contrary to
Army policy," Collins said.

Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to
attend
the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of
the
Army's Transportation Corps.

"My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in
a
phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the
National
Guard. "That's not what I signed up for."

Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for
helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group
BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual
Fitness Concerts."

Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they
could
either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided
not
to attend, he said.

"Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked
down,"
Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment."

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the
Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by
soldiers
who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious
theme
of the event.

The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed
events
are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the
soldiers
for stepping forward.

"Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny
our job is to fight it," he said.

Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their
cell
phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks.

About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend
the
concert based on their religious beliefs, he said.

Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert
edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for
those kind of events that bring soldiers together."

While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers
who
refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to
proselytize, he said.

"But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith
said.


There's little difference between these evangelicals and the
taliban.
The world would be far better off without either.

Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these
institutional
evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could
anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is
anything other than crusaders for Jesus?

Perhaps your view. I am not religious but I support being there. I
think
humanity needs to exterminate radical Islam/Taliban like vermin. See
the
time cover in the last week or two for an idea of why.

You don't have to be religious to want people to live peaceful and
women
to live as free people. Or as you suggest, we lay back and ignore
school
girls getting acid in the faces for wanting to become literate?

Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of
Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian
fundamentalists?

Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet.

You can think of it as Jesus if you want, I think of it as social
evolution to a better society. Sooner or later Islam/Muslims will get
nukes and use them. Many are religious crazy to a point of a evil cult
and propel the violence and carnage.

We as a species are doomed if we can't eradicate such cults and deal
with it. As even Islam/Muslim will kill like Nazi if given a chance.
Iran/Iraq war, 500,000 dead and millions more wounded.

To ignore the Islam/Muslim threat is asking for WW III. Just like
Chamberlain's "peace with honor" BS. Head in the sand.


Why not round up a crew here - herring, the right-wing ID spoofers,
larry, BAR, et cetera - and go over to Pakistan and eradicate some
fundie muslims.

That way, we would be rid of a few radical muslims and a handful of
right-wing nutcases from rec.boats

Why not send over a ICBM? Cheaper and faster for the statism lovers.

Me, I would just leave Pakistan alone to stew in it's own juices. No
aid, just leave them be. Eventually they will exterminate themselves if
left to medieval Sharia/Islam.

There's nothing quite like you christian humanitarians. I propose a
solution that does all sides good...and you propose annihilation. We
simply need to get rid of the christian and muslim right wing fundies.
Let them spill their blood on each other. Without the mullahs and the
palin-becks-limbaughs to fire up the simple-minded, those of us who
remain will figure out how to get along.

Well, there are only two choices, be invading them and set the law and
start jailing them by the millions....getting rid of the cult.

Or let them learn the hard way that Islam is about repression, war and
suffering.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. The whole
premise of demcracy is literacy, and more than 1/2 the population of
Afghanistan can't read! Women can't vote... So why pretend? Hell, they
can't even read the ballots.

You can only help those who want help. Sometimes the hardest thing you do
when you care is to let the bottom fall out then just be there to pick up
the pieces.

Given our forces can't tell Taliban from citizens, and so rarely do
citizens warn of Taliban movements lead me to believe that the citizens
are the Taliban. One in the same.


Was talking to my cousins husband last Monday on our Cape Breton trip.
This very subject came up..... his son is an experienced IED disabler.
This guy lost lots of Afgan interpreters, helpers etc because the Taliban
would kill then for even talking with Canadian soldiers.
A lot of the Afgan citizens are afraid for their lives... most of the people
giving Canadian troops trouble are from some other country.

In article , says...

Huge difference. Never heard of evangelicals chopping heads off or
torching a person for being an "infidel". Arranged marriage of children,
female/child mutilation and other things seem absent with evangelicals.
Nope, Taliban are a bread out of a barbaric medieval past for sure.

But agree in that religious conversion of others is often the root of
religious problems in achieving peace. The other being a ego maniac
sociopath wanting totalitarian and fascist power over others.



You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people
afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages?

If not, then you haven't spent any quality time studying history.
And you don't have to go back to medieval times for examples.

When was the last Christian stoning of a woman for committing adultry in
the US? Which day last week did they do this in the Islamic Republic of
Iran or within the Taliban infested borders of Afghanistan?

Seems that one religion has advanced in their thinking over time while
the other, Islam, is still living in the 7th century.

On 8/23/10 7:19 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

Huge difference. Never heard of evangelicals chopping heads off or
torching a person for being an "infidel". Arranged marriage of children,
female/child mutilation and other things seem absent with evangelicals.
Nope, Taliban are a bread out of a barbaric medieval past for sure.

But agree in that religious conversion of others is often the root of
religious problems in achieving peace. The other being a ego maniac
sociopath wanting totalitarian and fascist power over others.



You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people
afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages?

If not, then you haven't spent any quality time studying history.
And you don't have to go back to medieval times for examples.

When was the last Christian stoning of a woman for committing adultry in
the US? Which day last week did they do this in the Islamic Republic of
Iran or within the Taliban infested borders of Afghanistan?

Seems that one religion has advanced in their thinking over time while
the other, Islam, is still living in the 7th century.


When was the last christian murder of an abortion clinic doctor? When
was the last christian attack on an abortion clinic? When was the last
incident of sexual abuse committed by christian ministers on minors?
When was the last incident of young women being forced into polygamous
marriages to men three times their age? When was the last incident of
christians killing muslims to accomplish ethnic cleansing? When was the
last incident of christian evangelists converting tribes and villages of
indigenous people and in the process killing their culture.

Seems like some muslims and some christians are still living in the 7th
century.

Organized religion...it's time to bury it.

How's that boat of yours, Bertie? :)

"Secular Humanist" wrote in message
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On 8/23/10 7:19 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

Huge difference. Never heard of evangelicals chopping heads off or
torching a person for being an "infidel". Arranged marriage of
children,
female/child mutilation and other things seem absent with evangelicals.
Nope, Taliban are a bread out of a barbaric medieval past for sure.

But agree in that religious conversion of others is often the root of
religious problems in achieving peace. The other being a ego maniac
sociopath wanting totalitarian and fascist power over others.



You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people
afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages?

If not, then you haven't spent any quality time studying history.
And you don't have to go back to medieval times for examples.

When was the last Christian stoning of a woman for committing adultry in
the US? Which day last week did they do this in the Islamic Republic of
Iran or within the Taliban infested borders of Afghanistan?

Seems that one religion has advanced in their thinking over time while
the other, Islam, is still living in the 7th century.


When was the last christian murder of an abortion clinic doctor? When was
the last christian attack on an abortion clinic? When was the last
incident of sexual abuse committed by christian ministers on minors? When
was the last incident of young women being forced into polygamous
marriages to men three times their age? When was the last incident of
christians killing muslims to accomplish ethnic cleansing? When was the
last incident of christian evangelists converting tribes and villages of
indigenous people and in the process killing their culture.

Seems like some muslims and some christians are still living in the 7th
century.

Organized religion...it's time to bury it.

How's that boat of yours, Bertie? :)



I'm thinking that except for maybe Buddhism, most religions have this, umm,
problem.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:19:36 -0400, BAR wrote:



When was the last Christian stoning of a woman for committing adultry in
the US? Which day last week did they do this in the Islamic Republic of
Iran or within the Taliban infested borders of Afghanistan?

guess which country is the most christian country in africa.

rwanda.

know what happened there in 1994?

does the number 800,000 ring a bell?

"Secular Humanist" wrote in message
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On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist
wrote:




You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people
afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages?


at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would
impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are.


Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their
christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and
physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps.

In 1933, Hitler stated:

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will
preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been
built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality,
and the family as the basis of national life."

Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144.

Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno, Bełżec,
Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka,

There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews
slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands of
years.

So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian or
an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead.


Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Only about 50% of the death camp
victims were Jewish. Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants" made
the one way trip.

"Califbill" wrote in message
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"Secular Humanist" wrote in message
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On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist
wrote:




You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people
afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages?


at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would
impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are.


Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their
christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals
and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps.

In 1933, Hitler stated:

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will
preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been
built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national
morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144.

Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno, Bełżec,
Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka,

There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews
slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands
of years.

So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian
or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead.


Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Only about 50% of the death camp
victims were Jewish. Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants"
made the one way trip.

Nope. http://www.onwar.com/articles/0611.htm

On Aug 24, 2:19Â*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Califbill" wrote in message

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"Secular Humanist" wrote in message
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On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist
Â*wrote:

You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people
afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages?

at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would
impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are..

Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their
christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals
and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps.

In 1933, Hitler stated:

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will
preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been
built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national
morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144.

Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno, Bełżec,
Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka,

There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews
slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands
of years.

So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian
or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead.

Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Â*Only about 50% of the death camp
victims were Jewish. Â*Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants"
made the one way trip.

Nope.http://www.onwar.com/articles/0611.htm

Yep. http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html

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"Califbill" wrote in message
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"Secular Humanist" wrote in message
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On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist
wrote:




You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people
afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages?


at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would
impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are.


Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their
christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals
and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps.

In 1933, Hitler stated:

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty
to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will
preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been
built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national
morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p.
144.

Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno,
Bełżec, Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka,

There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews
slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands
of years.

So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian
or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead.


Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Only about 50% of the death camp
victims were Jewish. Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants"
made the one way trip.

Nope. http://www.onwar.com/articles/0611.htm



Not much here to refute Bills Guestimate except other guestimates that put
the Jews at 80% of the total. So who is more right? Do some research and get
back to us when you have solid evidence.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID.

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On Aug 24, 2:19 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Califbill" wrote in message

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"Secular Humanist" wrote in message
om...
On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist
wrote:

You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people
afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages?

at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would
impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who
are.

Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their
christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals
and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps.

In 1933, Hitler stated:

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty
to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will
preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has
been
built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national
morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p.
144.

Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno,
Bełżec,
Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka,

There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews
slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back
thousands
of years.

So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous
christian
or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead.

Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Only about 50% of the death camp
victims were Jewish. Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants"
made the one way trip.

Nope.http://www.onwar.com/articles/0611.htm

Yep. http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html

Not my fault if you can't read or interpret sources.