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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:09:58 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote: What's telling is how differently these leaks are being used by the Minority Media. During the Bush Admin, leaks were exploited selfishly by the liberal media who thought the more Americans killed in the middle east, the better for their progressive, anti-American, political agenda... it's funny bush kills 4400 US troops for NO reason and he blames it on the media the right wing...no morals at all and i guess you haven't noticed gfretwell's support of al qaida. he's on your side |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:29:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:18:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" So far we don't seem particularly effective at it. We kill as many innocent people as we do terrorists and make terrorists faster than we can kill them because of it. Perhaps... I don't know the current numbers, but a single innocent death is too many. the taliban actually kill about 10X as many as we do. but islam does not accept that muslims can kill muslims so they ignore it. look at what turkish PM recip erdogan said about sudan's president omar al bashir...who's just been indicted for war crimes so they hate us for killing 1 muslim but ignore it when a thousand are killed by other muslims |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... YukonBound wrote: "Harry " wrote in message m... On 7/28/10 9:35 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harry?" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:02:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:00:28 -0400, bpuharic wrote: and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11. Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have not been in Afghanistan for 6 years. hmmm...again you need to read the news. the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply reacting to our invasion of their country. Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do whatever he wanted inside the Afg. border. That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse every day. Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we have a better chance of finishing him. We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not give us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think that is our next step. Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind? OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally ignoring them in our obsession with OBL. I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find that one. We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack instead of looking for the next one. Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east. -- Harold Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street. Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here? What an ass he is. Leopard doesn't change it's spots! Say what? Leopard this! Spot boy! That's about as dumb a response as you'll read in here! Get to work, counterman. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:29:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:18:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote: The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country. Untrue - they were were harboring bin laden even after we asked them to give him up. Read what I said again. They did not have a beef with the US until we invaded their country. There were other ways of getting Bin Laden. Read what I said... they were asked to give him up and they refused. That is not the same as being one of the plotters of 9-11 Ok, it's just harboring and abetting them. So, it's pretty close, esp. after 3000 US citizens just died as a result. We are not doing much of anything in Somalia. We can't even stop the pirates that operate right on the coast. After Mogadishu we are not venturing into the central part much at all. Cite something to prove I am wrong. Sure... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/06/wo...06somalia.html Do you actually read the articles you link? This is 2 in a row where the article says exactly the opposite of what you represented it as saying.. "This is not an American offensive, said Johnnie Carson, the assistant secretary of state for Africa. The U.S. military is not on the ground in Somalia.." And... "Most of the American military assistance to the Somali government has been focused on training, or has been channeled through African Union peacekeepers. But that could change. An American official in Washington, who said he was not authorized to speak publicly, predicted that American covert forces would get involved if the offensive, which could begin in a few weeks, dislodged Qaeda terrorists. " And... http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/201...slamist-group/ "Obama appears to have suspended such attacks, although, in mid-September last year, helicopter-borne U.S. Special Forces ambushed a convoy carrying Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the leader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya who, according to U.S. officials, played key roles in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and a 2002 bombing of an Israeli hotel in Mombasa. " The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it. I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war sentiment out this time. now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all We will see won't we. Just about everyone has said there's nothing new. Doesn't mean that the totality of the information is something to ignore of course. Like I said, let's wait and see what comes out. Simply the fact that the government admits we are throwing money at corrupt governments that are diverting it to the enemy should make someone mad. I think we've been doing that for a long time. Feel free to dispute this. I think that the current admin is aware of this and I'm hopeful that that policy will change over time. It certainly didn't change during the last admin. So a stupid and counter productive policy is ok if we have been doing it a long time? I never said Bush was smart, much to the contrary. The man was an idiot.. I am only criticizing Obama for acting as dumb as Bush I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it? Not even close. Not for Iraq and not for Afg. OK what is different? Petraus says he is dusting off the Iraq surge protocol and implementing it in Afghanistan, in spite of the fact that the situation is totally different. I've noted the differences several times. Feel free to go back and read them. If anyone can salvage Bush's mess in Afg., then it would be Petraus. He did pretty well in Iraq. I'm not a military expert (are you?), so I give his opinion some weight. The real answer is what happens when we leave. I have never underestimated the ability of the military to kill people and break things in order to control a situation, given enough money. The question is whether we are actually accomplishing anything or are we just prolonging a war for grand children to fight. We have been in Korea for almost 60 years and things are worse now than they were in 1953. ?? In 1953 we were still actively fighting, at least through the first half of the year. How many US troops have died fighting N. Koreans this year? |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:58:58 -0400, bpuharic wrote: . They never had a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country. and we never had a beef with them, considering we were their LARGEST donor, until they killed 3000 US citizens It appears we still are if you look at the documents released the other day. Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people? islam, like all religions, is a recipe for lame and shoddy thinking. islam is exceptionally violent since we did NOTHING to them PRIOR to 9/11, and they STILL attacked us, OBL's beef with us was about Israel That's completely simplistic. He's certainly got a beef with us about more than that one issue. That's his propaganda. now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all We will see won't we. don't have to. there's not a siingle person saying anything is new. and that's from the folks who PUBLISHED the documents Probably the most damning thing so far is the fact that a lot of the money we are giving Kabul and Islamabad is ending up with the Taliban. It is one thing to have Michael Moore and Arianna Huffington saying this but when it is in official government papers it has a little more of an outrage factor. Parents who lost their child in Afghanistan and taxpayers who lost their job are not going to be happy with the idea that we are funding the people we say are trying to beat and in fact may be their biggest source of funds. Yes, it's a clusterf*ck. The problem is that if we give them money, they help the terrorists. If we don't give them money, they help the terrorists even more. |
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On Jul 29, 3:30*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem to drop daily. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll |
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On 7/29/10 10:38 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:04:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On Jul 29, 3:30 am, wrote: I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem to drop daily. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll I got a chuckle the other day when Newsweek said polls have concluded that an endorsement from Obama is not as valuable as one from Sarah Palin. I imagine a comment from Linsey Lohan is worth more than both of them. It would certainly get more coverage. I suppose if you are a moron seeking the vote of morons, the Palin endorsement should do it for you. |
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