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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:38:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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I only have to point to the health care bill. After lots of promises
to help the little guy, the Senate let a couple of UHC lobbyists write
a bill that simply handed 20-30 million new customers into the
existing system ... at the point of a government gun.

UHC lobbyists didn't write the bill. They had too much input, but it's a
right-wing conspiracy that they wrote it.

Cite that. I cited the allegation, you have not proved it was wrong.

It's pretty hard to prove a negative. Prove they wrote it. I doubt you can.
You can cite some examples of influencing the writing, but the claim that
they wrote it is false.

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:58:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:23:25 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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The guys who operate them don't need near as much skill as the worker
they replaced and the robot does a more consistent job.

Not necessarily. The person who now controls a whole production line
from
a
control room has to be highly skilled.

That is said by a person who doesn't understand how long it takes to
learn to be a machinist or even a good welder.
The computer operator can learn his job in a week. Most of the
processes are actually monitored by another computer. There are
usually a couple of techs around who have a bit of training but not as
much as you would suspect. These machines are like most of the
computer *industry. It is cheaper to replace whole assemblies than to
fix them.
We called it "cut open the box" technology.

I don't think you know me well enough to make such a statement. There is
extensive training for many, many professions, including computer
"operator"
(sounds like you're not to familiar with those requirements).

I have spent more time in computer rooms that you have on the planet.

Yet, you claim that someone who is minimally trained can operate an assembly
line system? I don't think so.


It would depend on the assembly line, D'Plume. I'm sure you would know
how to run a simple punch press. However I wouldn't bet the wad on it

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On Jul 26, 8:21 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:58:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:23:25 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The guys who operate them don't need near as much skill as the
worker
they replaced and the robot does a more consistent job.

Not necessarily. The person who now controls a whole production line
from
a
control room has to be highly skilled.

That is said by a person who doesn't understand how long it takes to
learn to be a machinist or even a good welder.
The computer operator can learn his job in a week. Most of the
processes are actually monitored by another computer. There are
usually a couple of techs around who have a bit of training but not
as
much as you would suspect. These machines are like most of the
computer industry. It is cheaper to replace whole assemblies than to
fix them.
We called it "cut open the box" technology.

I don't think you know me well enough to make such a statement. There
is
extensive training for many, many professions, including computer
"operator"
(sounds like you're not to familiar with those requirements).

I have spent more time in computer rooms that you have on the planet.

Yet, you claim that someone who is minimally trained can operate an
assembly
line system? I don't think so.


It would depend on the assembly line, D'Plume. I'm sure you would know
how to run a simple punch press. However I wouldn't bet the wad on it

No... really? You're a moron. I'd suggest not trying to bet on much.

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On 7/26/10 8:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:19:12 -0400, wrote:

Harry ? wrote:
On 7/25/10 7:27 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:41:03 -0400, wrote:



german purchasing power parity is on a level with US PPP when compared
on a per hour basis


Instituting higher tax rates on those who can afford them is a way to
provide the poorer among us with a better quality of life. That, and
cutting the military budget in half would do the job, I am sure.



The sad truth is that low income families often breed low income
children - or worse - who have the same work ethic they do.





oh brother...more hatred of the middle class. and the rich? how do
their children turn out?

well let's see...in the last 10 years the children of the poor and
middle class went to afghanistan to protect our country from attack

the children of the rich sucked 11 trillion dollars out of the economy
and destroyed the middle class

and he says the problem is with the poor and middle class

me? i'd rather spend a year with the kids in the USCG than a day with
a wall street manager



Jesus...Larry, the latest iteration of Slimeball Dan Krueger, DK, Bob,
et cetera, never ceases to amaze with his total lack of humanity. And
his assumption that low income folks have a problem with their work
ethic is just...stunning. It's no wonder these righties work so very
hard at concealing their identities...if they didn't, they'd be getting
their noses punched regularly.

Is that a threat, spoofer? I answer my door with a loaded firearm. I'm a
fat paranoid freak. I have security cameras everywhere on my gentleman's
farm. Even in my Maryland red barn that is so secret it doesn't show up
on Zillow or Google Earth.

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:46:22 -0400, wrote:


Harry ? wrote:



Sadly, we tolerate fraud. Look at government defense contracting.


And unions.

the US has no unions


If you say so it must be true!

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:39:43 -0400, wrote:


Harry ? wrote:

On 7/26/10 10:45 AM, Harold wrote:


Health insurers do not deliver a product the consumer needs or wants.
Health care is already out there...it exists. Health insurance adds an
unnecessary middle-man factor.



The same could be said about car insurers or home/property insurers. I
realize both include liability (tort) insurance but that's another topic.

look up the concept of elasticity in economics

hint:

-the mechanic says it's gonna cost $40K to fix your car. you gonna do
it?

-the doctor says 40K to save your life? you gonna do it?

It's about government control.

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:49:03 -0400, wrote:


bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:45:50 -0400, "Harold"
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uh...let's see...was it unions or WALL STREET that destroyed 10
TRILLION DOLLARS in equity in the last 3 years?

WALLSTREET!

but the right wing still blames the easter bunny



Who, in your bizarre mind, comprises this group you call "Wallstreet"sic?

WTF??

now the right is denying wall street even EXiSTS!!

wild!


It's a street, dumbass, literally. So...Who, in your bizarre mind,
comprises this group you call "Wallstreet" sic?

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:47:42 -0400, wrote:


bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:28:09 -0400, "Harold"
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If only them thar people up there in Washington would start acting decently
and responsibly to serve the needs of ALL the people. The first thing the
Govt. needs to do is get out of the jobs and cars and healthcare businesses
and plant the seeds for entrapanerial ventures that create products and


the govt IS out of the healthcare business for most people

that's why healthcare is so expensive and doesnt cover everyone. it's
known as a 'market failure



Is social security also a "market failure"?

actually it cured a market failure problem

do you know why it exists?


SS is dying at an increasing rate. Other than that, WTF?

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:19:12 -0400, wrote:


Harry ? wrote:

On 7/25/10 7:27 PM, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:41:03 -0400, wrote:



german purchasing power parity is on a level with US PPP when compared
on a per hour basis


Instituting higher tax rates on those who can afford them is a way to
provide the poorer among us with a better quality of life. That, and
cutting the military budget in half would do the job, I am sure.


The sad truth is that low income families often breed low income
children - or worse - who have the same work ethic they do.

oh brother...more hatred of the middle class. and the rich? how do
their children turn out?

well let's see...in the last 10 years the children of the poor and
middle class went to afghanistan to protect our country from attack

the children of the rich sucked 11 trillion dollars out of the economy
and destroyed the middle class

and he says the problem is with the poor and middle class

me? i'd rather spend a year with the kids in the USCG than a day with
a wall street manager



You need to read before you post stupid ****, Bob.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:07:43 -0400, Larry wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:46:22 -0400, wrote:


Harry ? wrote:



Sadly, we tolerate fraud. Look at government defense contracting.


And unions.

the US has no unions


If you say so it must be true!


go ahead. show me how the 7% of US workers who belong to unions

have any power at all. they cant even get the EFCA passed.

you guys are definitely from outer space