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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:10:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html



That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like pretty
mainstream polls to me.

Cut the military budget, fix as best as possible fraudulent claims, increase
taxes for those who can afford it.

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:11:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:16:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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In any case, Grassley and his kind have no credibility wrt to healthcare
insurance reform.

You never saw me say he did.

You posted a link that used him as a commentator on the issue. He has no
credibility.


That was 2 minutes out of a 55 minute show.

In any case, he has no credibility. Certainly, there was sausage making
involved. That's typical.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:03:06 -0600, Canuck57
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Yep, Obama could double your income tax and he probably still could not
make a balanced budget. Spend crazy madnes in DC.

Sadly that is true. The deficit is 1.4 trillion and we only collect
1.25 trillion in income taxes now. The idea that the top 1% of the tax
payers could make up this short fall is ludicrous

You guys really need to calm down about the deficit. In the short term, it
is required to ensure a stable economy. It's fixable in the long term. The
rest is just fear-based bs.

On 7/19/10 2:20 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:10:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html



That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like
pretty mainstream polls to me.

Cut the military budget, fix as best as possible fraudulent claims,
increase taxes for those who can afford it.



Hey! Those were my ideas, sister!

:)

Cut $500 billion out of the military budget...

Increase taxes dramatically on incomes over $250,000...

Close tax loopholes for the rich...

Disallow corporate overseas investments that do not serve our national
interest...

Do not allow importation of products manufactured overseas from
countries that do not pay decent wages and bennies to workers...

Allow a commission to government workers who uncover fraud in government
contracts and payments. ..

On 7/19/10 2:56 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:11:27 -0400, Harry
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$250,000 a year in income, on that income over $250,000, no ceilings on
payroll taxes, stricter tax rules on corporations, especially on
overseas investments, et cetera. Oh...and cutting military expenditures
in half.

It is certainly a move in the right direction but it is not enough to
solve the problem.
The interest on the debt is almost as big as the pentagon budget and
it will pass it in the next year or two. SS/Medicare dwarf both of
those in the out years. (2016 and beyond)
They are both upside down already. I am not sure how much our kids are
willing to pay in payroll taxes when they figure out grandma is making
more money than they do. As a group, the seniors have more disposable
income than the people under 35.
That may not remain true when boomers who are still carrying huge debt
loads try to retire but I blame them (sorry Bob).
They should have listened to their depression era parents and lived
within their means.
I have always told people, if you can't afford to feed yourself, how
can you afford to feed yourself and a banker. That is what borrowing
is. Why do people always assume they will have more money later?


I'm afraid the only solution for this country will involve an entire
upheaval of society, towards a northern European socialist model that
helps rebuild a larger and stronger middle class that has options for
housing, good health care, good schools, and decent opportunities for
the future of its children. To get there will involve relieving the
wealthy of a good chunk of its holdings, regulations that favor
investment only in the United States, a demilitarization, and real Wall
Street, banking, insurance reform.


Who would police the world and stop evil dictators? ;-)

I think the real problem is we are not Sweden.


Well, we are dumber than the swedes, fins, and norwegians.

Do we actually stop evil dictators, or simply back up dictators?

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On 7/19/10 2:20 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:10:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST
solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html



That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like
pretty mainstream polls to me.

Cut the military budget, fix as best as possible fraudulent claims,
increase taxes for those who can afford it.



Hey! Those were my ideas, sister!

:)

Cut $500 billion out of the military budget...

Increase taxes dramatically on incomes over $250,000...

Close tax loopholes for the rich...

Disallow corporate overseas investments that do not serve our national
interest...

Do not allow importation of products manufactured overseas from countries
that do not pay decent wages and bennies to workers...

Allow a commission to government workers who uncover fraud in government
contracts and payments. ..

I'm happy to pay a bit more. I get a lot of services and am frequently
astonished by what's available for the asking for free to the general
public.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:20:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:10:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html



That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like pretty
mainstream polls to me.


These people do a poll a week. You can cherry pick any result you
want. Try one where they assess a cost to this public option.

The only numbers re cost are from the CBO, which you don't want to use. They
predict lower costs. I didn't cherry pick anything. I pointed to a site that
lists a bunch of polls, all of which indicated majority and/or significant
support.


Cut the military budget, fix as best as possible fraudulent claims,
increase
taxes for those who can afford it.


You lips to Obama's ear. Every president since Washington has promised
that,


I don't believe Obama has suggested it. Others have, however.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:20:23 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like
pretty
mainstream polls to me.


These people do a poll a week. You can cherry pick any result you
want. Try one where they assess a cost to this public option.

The only numbers re cost are from the CBO, which you don't want to use.
They
predict lower costs. I didn't cherry pick anything. I pointed to a site
that
lists a bunch of polls, all of which indicated majority and/or significant
support.

You pointed to "singlepayer.org". Do you really think they would list
a poll that said anything else?

Then you didn't look at the polls they listed. They were all mainstream.
Sorry, but the fact is that people like the idea of a single payer.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:03:06 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

Yep, Obama could double your income tax and he probably still could not
make a balanced budget. Spend crazy madnes in DC.

Sadly that is true. The deficit is 1.4 trillion and we only collect
1.25 trillion in income taxes now. The idea that the top 1% of the tax
payers could make up this short fall is ludicrous

I've never heard anybody say that. Except you did right there.
Why say silly stuff?

Jim - What's going on here?

Either way, remember, the top one percent takes whatever it pays, back
out of "our" asses... We pay 100% of the taxes through inflation..

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

On 7/19/10 6:14 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says...

wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:03:06 -0600,
wrote:

Yep, Obama could double your income tax and he probably still could not
make a balanced budget. Spend crazy madnes in DC.

Sadly that is true. The deficit is 1.4 trillion and we only collect
1.25 trillion in income taxes now. The idea that the top 1% of the tax
payers could make up this short fall is ludicrous

I've never heard anybody say that. Except you did right there.
Why say silly stuff?

Jim - What's going on here?

Either way, remember, the top one percent takes whatever it pays, back
out of "our" asses... We pay 100% of the taxes through inflation..



Scott Ingersoll...economist.

snerk