On 6/28/2010 12:22 AM, ? wrote:
On Jun 27, 9:13 pm, wrote:
On 6/27/2010 10:58 PM, Mike wrote:
when do you think all this started?

With the Mayflower.

The Mayflower colonists were English subjects who voyaged to "Northern
Virginia" under a charter from King James.

They were never "immigrants" into any established country, because
there were no established governments in the region, just wandering
savage tribes who did not understand the concept of real estate or
land ownership.

This is stupid. They left Europe. Redefining immigration as only
being into an "established country" is nonsensical.

According to the extant doctrines of European law, any uncivilized
territory could be claimed for king and country by any explorer
sailing under the flag of his country.

I guess you also think the Holy Roman Empire was a monolithic entity.

And that's what happened. There were no cities and no civilization
along the east coast.

The Mayflower colonists never left the territory of the British empire
and they took English law to Massachusetts with them, in the form of a
governor appointed by the king.

Mike asked where it all started. The real answer is probably when
hominids expanded outwards from the region of their origin in
Africa.

Or did you want to chase this back to a time before primates?