U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

"Harry " wrote in message
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On 6/25/10 12:45 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/25/10 12:27 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:05:51 -0400,
wrote:

Perhaps you could state your point a little more succinctly.


What I am suggesting is that very wealthy foreigners come here for
health care because the best we have to offer is skewed towards those
with endless amounts of money. At the same time, tens of millions of
Americans get ****ty health care because they don't have the amount of
money our system requires to pay for it. Wealthy foreigners head to
other countries, too, where quality care is available, but that
availability is also there for ordinary citizens, too.

Unfortunately that is the care everyone wants with this health care
plan. They all want an MRI for a hangnail and expect a referral to a
specialist. That is why our insurance rates are so high. Add to that a
run away drug culture that thinks you haven't really been to the
doctor unless you have 2 or 3 prescriptions and it becomes apparent
why we spend $8k a year.
I am the only person my age I know who is not taking a handful of
pills every day. The retail price is usually up in 3 figures a month
... but they are on a drug plan so it is invisible to them.
Why eat right and exercise, The Lipitor and Prinivil will fix it.


I take a multivitamin and a low dose aspirin every day. My daily "drug"
habit runs about 25 cents, I'd guess. Even generic vitamins ain't cheap.

You are wasting your money on the multivitamin.



My dick has grown from 7" to 9.25" since starting the vitamin regimen.

So what if you're one of the Dopers, who start at 3"?

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:08:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Japan (top of the list) is 82.6
US is 78.2
Just as a sanity check, most of SubSaharan Africa is in the 40s and
50s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

I wonder what happens when you weight this list by crime death and
obesity rates.

I wonder what would happen to crime death and obesity rates if we actually
had sane gun regulation
Probably not much. We stab more people per 100,000 than UK murders
(all causes). Netherlands and Japan are better than that.

and forced McDs to act a bit more in the public's
best interest rather than rely on the "free market."


McDonalds is just the lightning rod for our obesity problems.
Look at the portion sizes at Red Lobster or Olive Garden.
The average size of a dinner plate in the 50s was 9". It is 12" now.
Remember when a Coke was 7 ounces. A "SMALL" coke is now at least 12
ounces and may be 20. A Big Gulp is 64.
A candy bar was about the size of your thumb.
They called a 3 Musketeers bar that because you were supposed to break
it into 3 pieces and split it with 2 friends. It used to even be
scored. Now it is twice as big and people eat the whole thing.


I have to admit, I was always amazed by the size of food portions in
American restaurants...compared to up here.

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:01:07 -0400, Harry ?
wrote:

On 6/25/10 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:55:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

McDonalds is just the lightning rod for our obesity problems.
Look at the portion sizes at Red Lobster or Olive Garden.
The average size of a dinner plate in the 50s was 9". It is 12" now.
Remember when a Coke was 7 ounces. A "SMALL" coke is now at least 12
ounces and may be 20. A Big Gulp is 64.
A candy bar was about the size of your thumb.
They called a 3 Musketeers bar that because you were supposed to break
it into 3 pieces and split it with 2 friends. It used to even be
scored. Now it is twice as big and people eat the whole thing.

I watched Supersize me... blech...


Like I said, McDonalds is just the lightning rod. Why single out
"fast" food when so many slow food places have all you can eat
specials?


More moral equivalency.

So it is better for you to pig out at the Olive Garden "bottomless"
pasta bowl or Golden Corral's all you can eat ribs for $10.

It seems that is the way they advertise restaurant these days.
"The food sucks but there is plenty of it"

At least the quality of food there is better, and that's not saying much.

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:37:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/06/2010 7:54 PM, bpuharic wrote:
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...-care-costs/On
Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:51:04 -0600, wrote:



Lets hope people wise up in November voting habits. There is a reason
far fewer Canadians own boats than Americans...smaller homes on
average,
smaller lots...long waiting lists for family physistions...

and how long do they wait if they have NO health insurance

you guys keep ignoring THAT section of the population



You think government is going to provide you health care for $3800 /
year....

the canadian economy is in better shape than the US economy. it grew
at 6.1% in the 1st quarter of this year

more proof the right doesnt know ****

You are truly myopic. What good is "free" insurance if you die waiting?

and how long do you wait if you have NO insurance? care to answer?

oh. no. you won't.

got any proof anyone in canada is dying because of waiting?

no. i thought not.


And it isn't free, the article said $3800 per person, ok, 1/3 actually
work so that is $10,000++ per taxpayer

and the US cost is probably close to double that


. But wait, that is government
with a 25.5% GA, so make it $12,500. Oh wait, government likes to skim
it for pork, aff another 30%. Before long government holds it over your
head like a hammer to justify 50% of your income will go to taxes in one
form or another.

and the US cost is probably double THAT


And you still get to wait to find a family doctor or 3 months for an MRI
to have the tech say, wish we caught this a month earlier. I will not
even get into governemtn rationing of services often based on your
taxability.

gee. it took me 2 months to get an appt with an ENT throat dr who went
to an american medical school instead of one who graduated from the
kabul school of medicine

and medical services here are rationed on your ability to pay.

so, yes, we have rationing.


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6607/...-time-preview/

Look at the wait times. Someone was in the paper last week, died
waiting. So what the costs and you can't get it in time.

gee. guess you get good service here in the US if you have no health
insurance, right?


Get over it, your DC government wants this to skim the revenue.

get over it. your health care is more efficent, and cheaper and more
available than ours is.
.

All is not as it seems. Obama is playing you for a fool.

and the rich white boy bush already duped you into beliieving right
wing fairy tales


Oh, even our rich premiers would rather go to the US than use the same
system they manage for us. Think about that for a minute.

blah blah. 165,000 americans go overseas for healthcare they can
afford

think about that for a moment


The poor and rich get great medical care. Middle class has to pay. Well the
rich pay, but is not a problem with them. The poor are a reason our ER
rooms are full. They use the ER like a doctors office as well as cutting
and shooting each other with a lot more frequency than the middle and rich
partake of mayhem.

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:08:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Japan (top of the list) is 82.6
US is 78.2
Just as a sanity check, most of SubSaharan Africa is in the 40s and
50s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

I wonder what happens when you weight this list by crime death and
obesity rates.

I wonder what would happen to crime death and obesity rates if we actually
had sane gun regulation
Probably not much. We stab more people per 100,000 than UK murders
(all causes). Netherlands and Japan are better than that.

and forced McDs to act a bit more in the public's
best interest rather than rely on the "free market."


McDonalds is just the lightning rod for our obesity problems.
Look at the portion sizes at Red Lobster or Olive Garden.
The average size of a dinner plate in the 50s was 9". It is 12" now.
Remember when a Coke was 7 ounces. A "SMALL" coke is now at least 12
ounces and may be 20. A Big Gulp is 64.
A candy bar was about the size of your thumb.
They called a 3 Musketeers bar that because you were supposed to break
it into 3 pieces and split it with 2 friends. It used to even be
scored. Now it is twice as big and people eat the whole thing.



Coke was 6 oz. 7 Up got it's name as it was 7 oz. Go to Claim Jumper. A
dessert will feed 6. Look at the grocery store. 50' of aisle full of chips
of all sorts.

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

"YukonBound" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:08:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Japan (top of the list) is 82.6
US is 78.2
Just as a sanity check, most of SubSaharan Africa is in the 40s and
50s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

I wonder what happens when you weight this list by crime death and
obesity rates.

I wonder what would happen to crime death and obesity rates if we
actually
had sane gun regulation
Probably not much. We stab more people per 100,000 than UK murders
(all causes). Netherlands and Japan are better than that.

and forced McDs to act a bit more in the public's
best interest rather than rely on the "free market."


McDonalds is just the lightning rod for our obesity problems.
Look at the portion sizes at Red Lobster or Olive Garden.
The average size of a dinner plate in the 50s was 9". It is 12" now.
Remember when a Coke was 7 ounces. A "SMALL" coke is now at least 12
ounces and may be 20. A Big Gulp is 64.
A candy bar was about the size of your thumb.
They called a 3 Musketeers bar that because you were supposed to break
it into 3 pieces and split it with 2 friends. It used to even be
scored. Now it is twice as big and people eat the whole thing.


I have to admit, I was always amazed by the size of food portions in
American restaurants...compared to up here.

Up there has had large portions also. Hy's Steak House in Regina had a 32
oz filet migno on the menu in 1968. Actually watched the cook grill one.
Look how much whip cream is served on a dessert in Canada.

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

YukonBound wrote:


"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 6/25/10 12:45 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/25/10 12:27 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:05:51 -0400,
wrote:

Perhaps you could state your point a little more succinctly.


What I am suggesting is that very wealthy foreigners come here for
health care because the best we have to offer is skewed towards
those
with endless amounts of money. At the same time, tens of millions of
Americans get ****ty health care because they don't have the
amount of
money our system requires to pay for it. Wealthy foreigners head to
other countries, too, where quality care is available, but that
availability is also there for ordinary citizens, too.

Unfortunately that is the care everyone wants with this health care
plan. They all want an MRI for a hangnail and expect a referral to a
specialist. That is why our insurance rates are so high. Add to
that a
run away drug culture that thinks you haven't really been to the
doctor unless you have 2 or 3 prescriptions and it becomes apparent
why we spend $8k a year.
I am the only person my age I know who is not taking a handful of
pills every day. The retail price is usually up in 3 figures a month
... but they are on a drug plan so it is invisible to them.
Why eat right and exercise, The Lipitor and Prinivil will fix it.


I take a multivitamin and a low dose aspirin every day. My daily
"drug"
habit runs about 25 cents, I'd guess. Even generic vitamins ain't
cheap.

You are wasting your money on the multivitamin.



My dick has grown from 7" to 9.25" since starting the vitamin regimen.

So what if you're one of the Dopers, who start at 3"?
Say what?

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

YukonBound wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
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YukonBound wrote:


"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 6/25/10 12:45 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/25/10 12:27 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:05:51 -0400,
wrote:

Perhaps you could state your point a little more succinctly.


What I am suggesting is that very wealthy foreigners come here for
health care because the best we have to offer is skewed towards
those
with endless amounts of money. At the same time, tens of
millions of
Americans get ****ty health care because they don't have the
amount of
money our system requires to pay for it. Wealthy foreigners
head to
other countries, too, where quality care is available, but that
availability is also there for ordinary citizens, too.

Unfortunately that is the care everyone wants with this health care
plan. They all want an MRI for a hangnail and expect a referral
to a
specialist. That is why our insurance rates are so high. Add to
that a
run away drug culture that thinks you haven't really been to the
doctor unless you have 2 or 3 prescriptions and it becomes apparent
why we spend $8k a year.
I am the only person my age I know who is not taking a handful of
pills every day. The retail price is usually up in 3 figures a
month
... but they are on a drug plan so it is invisible to them.
Why eat right and exercise, The Lipitor and Prinivil will fix it.


I take a multivitamin and a low dose aspirin every day. My daily
"drug"
habit runs about 25 cents, I'd guess. Even generic vitamins ain't
cheap.

You are wasting your money on the multivitamin.



My dick has grown from 7" to 9.25" since starting the vitamin regimen.

So what if you're one of the Dopers, who start at 3"?
Say what?

Not "say what" ...Say who?
....and I guess you've answered that question.
Say what?

Sounds really dumb, eh? Why do you keep using that lame line?

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

ap. Fear of malpractice adds to health costs.

http://www.physorg.com/news190398335.html

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
 

"Califbill" wrote in message
m...

ap. Fear of malpractice adds to health costs.

http://www.physorg.com/news190398335.html


A small study, and it doesn't give a cost. It's been reported nationally for
a long time that it adds a few percentage points to the cost.

More right-wing bs to suggest it's a huge factor.