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U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:39:08 -0400, W1TEF
wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:46:37 -0400, bpuharic wrote: wrong. malpractice costs run about 1.5% of total healthcare costs Tell me something - based on your yearly income, including boat, home, car and personal, how much o you spend on insurance as a percentage of your income? i dont know. it's wrapped in my benefits. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 23/06/2010 8:46 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:39:08 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:46:37 -0400, wrote: wrong. malpractice costs run about 1.5% of total healthcare costs Tell me something - based on your yearly income, including boat, home, car and personal, how much o you spend on insurance as a percentage of your income? i dont know. it's wrapped in my benefits. So you want to be taxed more so your employer is off the hook? Are you a sucker as your employer isn't going to give you a raise. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 23/06/2010 8:24 PM, Jack wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:40 pm, wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:21:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. This discussion has no business in a boating group. 2. The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. 3. There is no chance of #2 any time soon. A quote from the article: "reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system..." Does anyone seriously think there's any chance at all that their "study" would have any other outcome than the one they want and are actively promoting? ~snerk~ Well said. Always examine the motive. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Jun 23, 8:40 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:21:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Harry" wrote in message om... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. This discussion has no business in a boating group. 2. The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. 3. There is no chance of #2 any time soon. A quote from the article: "reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system..." Does anyone seriously think there's any chance at all that their "study" would have any other outcome than the one they want and are actively promoting? ~snerk~ Well, who do you think you can believe??? Faux News maybe? |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:12:22 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/06/2010 8:46 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:39:08 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:46:37 -0400, wrote: wrong. malpractice costs run about 1.5% of total healthcare costs Tell me something - based on your yearly income, including boat, home, car and personal, how much o you spend on insurance as a percentage of your income? i dont know. it's wrapped in my benefits. So you want to be taxed more so your employer is off the hook? we pay one way or another Are you a sucker as your employer isn't going to give you a raise. you right wingers are SUCH idiots the american middle class hasnt had a raise in 10 years. much of that due to increases in health costs. dumb. you guys are truly dumb |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:13:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Well said. Always examine the motive. except that, on the right, rich white guys are assumed to be infallible |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 23/06/2010 7:54 PM, bpuharic wrote:
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...-care-costs/On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:51:04 -0600, wrote: On 23/06/2010 5:08 PM, Harry wrote: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. Bet the study was from the government or governmetn sponsored trying to sell this wealth robbing dead horse. bet it wasn't Lets hope people wise up in November voting habits. There is a reason far fewer Canadians own boats than Americans...smaller homes on average, smaller lots...long waiting lists for family physistions... and how long do they wait if they have NO health insurance you guys keep ignoring THAT section of the population You think government is going to provide you health care for $3800 / year.... the canadian economy is in better shape than the US economy. it grew at 6.1% in the 1st quarter of this year more proof the right doesnt know **** You are truly myopic. What good is "free" insurance if you die waiting? And it isn't free, the article said $3800 per person, ok, 1/3 actually work so that is $10,000++ per taxpayer. But wait, that is government with a 25.5% GA, so make it $12,500. Oh wait, government likes to skim it for pork, aff another 30%. Before long government holds it over your head like a hammer to justify 50% of your income will go to taxes in one form or another. And you still get to wait to find a family doctor or 3 months for an MRI to have the tech say, wish we caught this a month earlier. I will not even get into governemtn rationing of services often based on your taxability. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6607/...-time-preview/ Look at the wait times. Someone was in the paper last week, died waiting. So what the costs and you can't get it in time. http://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/...Alberta-Canada http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...113/story.html These are daily stories typical in Canada. Get over it, your DC government wants this to skim the revenue. BTW, I also fork out $3000 extra to cover me when I travel as Canadians "free" insurance does not cover me when I am in the US or South America. In fact, the "free" care is ward care with 12 other beds in the same room. By paying extra a I get private or semi-private (2). All is not as it seems. Obama is playing you for a fool. Oh, even our rich premiers would rather go to the US than use the same system they manage for us. Think about that for a minute. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:37:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/06/2010 7:54 PM, bpuharic wrote: http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...-care-costs/On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:51:04 -0600, wrote: Lets hope people wise up in November voting habits. There is a reason far fewer Canadians own boats than Americans...smaller homes on average, smaller lots...long waiting lists for family physistions... and how long do they wait if they have NO health insurance you guys keep ignoring THAT section of the population You think government is going to provide you health care for $3800 / year.... the canadian economy is in better shape than the US economy. it grew at 6.1% in the 1st quarter of this year more proof the right doesnt know **** You are truly myopic. What good is "free" insurance if you die waiting? and how long do you wait if you have NO insurance? care to answer? oh. no. you won't. got any proof anyone in canada is dying because of waiting? no. i thought not. And it isn't free, the article said $3800 per person, ok, 1/3 actually work so that is $10,000++ per taxpayer and the US cost is probably close to double that .. But wait, that is government with a 25.5% GA, so make it $12,500. Oh wait, government likes to skim it for pork, aff another 30%. Before long government holds it over your head like a hammer to justify 50% of your income will go to taxes in one form or another. and the US cost is probably double THAT And you still get to wait to find a family doctor or 3 months for an MRI to have the tech say, wish we caught this a month earlier. I will not even get into governemtn rationing of services often based on your taxability. gee. it took me 2 months to get an appt with an ENT throat dr who went to an american medical school instead of one who graduated from the kabul school of medicine and medical services here are rationed on your ability to pay. so, yes, we have rationing. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6607/...-time-preview/ Look at the wait times. Someone was in the paper last week, died waiting. So what the costs and you can't get it in time. gee. guess you get good service here in the US if you have no health insurance, right? Get over it, your DC government wants this to skim the revenue. get over it. your health care is more efficent, and cheaper and more available than ours is. .. All is not as it seems. Obama is playing you for a fool. and the rich white boy bush already duped you into beliieving right wing fairy tales Oh, even our rich premiers would rather go to the US than use the same system they manage for us. Think about that for a minute. blah blah. 165,000 americans go overseas for healthcare they can afford think about that for a moment |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
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U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Jun 23, 11:23*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:13:13 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Well said. * Always examine the motive. except that, on the right, rich white guys are assumed to be infallible Good old buffy... the master of non sequitur. You make me laugh more than you'll ever know! Hilarious. |
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