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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:55:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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As to what they have in Canada, most Canadians find it quite acceptable.
So,
you're fabricating like crazy.

No fabrication. Canadians we have met do not like the system at all.
Care is being rationed. There are long waits for treatment with
conditions not considered "life threatening". They are not allowed to
go outside the system. Many go to the US for treatment if they can
afford it. Good doctors are leaving to practice elsewhere.

Is that your idea of health care nirvana?

Canadians "you've met" is quite a different statement than "no one" seems to
like it... Like I said, you're making things up.

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:05:51 -0400, Harry
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Perhaps you could state your point a little more succinctly.


What I am suggesting is that very wealthy foreigners come here for
health care because the best we have to offer is skewed towards those
with endless amounts of money. At the same time, tens of millions of
Americans get ****ty health care because they don't have the amount of
money our system requires to pay for it. Wealthy foreigners head to
other countries, too, where quality care is available, but that
availability is also there for ordinary citizens, too.

Unfortunately that is the care everyone wants with this health care
plan. They all want an MRI for a hangnail and expect a referral to a
specialist. That is why our insurance rates are so high. Add to that a
run away drug culture that thinks you haven't really been to the
doctor unless you have 2 or 3 prescriptions and it becomes apparent
why we spend $8k a year.
I am the only person my age I know who is not taking a handful of
pills every day. The retail price is usually up in 3 figures a month
... but they are on a drug plan so it is invisible to them.
Why eat right and exercise, The Lipitor and Prinivil will fix it.

Yeah, it's all about the person who is sick demanding treatment. It's all
their fault for getting sick. Nonsense.

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 24, 8:12 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:37:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume"



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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:42:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"BAR" wrote in message
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In article ,
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Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
From: Harry
Newsgroups: rec.boats

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study

What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the
evaluation?

Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the
standard
categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what
those
who
do better spend.

It makes you wonder why people travel here from all over the world
to
get some of our inferior health care.

For specialized operations and treatments we do great. For common
stuff
like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. THAT makes you
wonder.

Quit drinking, smoking, and eating so much junk food.

Sounds like you've identified your next New Year resolutions. Feel
free to
not wait for Jan. 1st to start.

Does it hurt when you continually bang your head up against a wall?

The point he is making is our worst demographic for life expectancy is
also the worst for obesity, high fat diets, smoking, drug abuse and
death from criminal activity

Not counting too much stress.

Bzzzzt.... of topic Tim! :)


Bzzzzt... Ol Em-pty headed one. No he's not.


You're a moron and a stalker.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:57:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:27:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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For common stuff like
life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level.

Statistics cite por favor.

Look it up yourself if you're able. If you're not, let me know.


Isn't that a curious response. You throw out a statistic that says
the US rates very poorly on life expectancy. I'm shocked by this
statement and ask where it came from. You, apparently not knowing
where it came from either, asks me to look it up.

Frankly I don't believe your statistic. It may be true for certain
groups that have made poor life style decisions, but it's quite
unlikely to be true for the population as a whole.

How much time have you spent in the 3rd world?

Who cares if _you_ don't believe it. You don't believe the Earth is a
sphere. So what.

What does my time in a 3rd World country got to do with our medical outcomes
compared to another 1st World country?

Feel free to believe what you want. In fact, don't look it up. I don't want
you to hurt yourself.

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:09:09 -0400, Wayne.B
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:57:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:27:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

For common stuff like
life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level.

Statistics cite por favor.

Look it up yourself if you're able. If you're not, let me know.


Isn't that a curious response. You throw out a statistic that says
the US rates very poorly on life expectancy. I'm shocked by this
statement and ask where it came from. You, apparently not knowing
where it came from either, asks me to look it up.

Frankly I don't believe your statistic. It may be true for certain
groups that have made poor life style decisions, but it's quite
unlikely to be true for the population as a whole.

How much time have you spent in the 3rd world?

Japan (top of the list) is 82.6
US is 78.2
Just as a sanity check, most of SubSaharan Africa is in the 40s and
50s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

I wonder what happens when you weight this list by crime death and
obesity rates.

I wonder what would happen to crime death and obesity rates if we actually
had sane gun regulation and forced McDs to act a bit more in the public's
best interest rather than rely on the "free market."

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"Jack" wrote in message
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On Jun 25, 2:52 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in
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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:27:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

For common stuff like
life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level.

Statistics cite por favor.

Really, there will be no cite.. Only deflection, Harry and his sister
do
it very well...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

No. You're an idiot and that's a fact.

Polly want a cracker?


Yes, you're an idiot Polly. Keep stalking. Makes you seem so manly.

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:08:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Japan (top of the list) is 82.6
US is 78.2
Just as a sanity check, most of SubSaharan Africa is in the 40s and
50s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

I wonder what happens when you weight this list by crime death and
obesity rates.

I wonder what would happen to crime death and obesity rates if we actually
had sane gun regulation
Probably not much. We stab more people per 100,000 than UK murders
(all causes). Netherlands and Japan are better than that.

and forced McDs to act a bit more in the public's
best interest rather than rely on the "free market."


McDonalds is just the lightning rod for our obesity problems.
Look at the portion sizes at Red Lobster or Olive Garden.
The average size of a dinner plate in the 50s was 9". It is 12" now.
Remember when a Coke was 7 ounces. A "SMALL" coke is now at least 12
ounces and may be 20. A Big Gulp is 64.
A candy bar was about the size of your thumb.
They called a 3 Musketeers bar that because you were supposed to break
it into 3 pieces and split it with 2 friends. It used to even be
scored. Now it is twice as big and people eat the whole thing.

I watched Supersize me... blech...

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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:55:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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McDonalds is just the lightning rod for our obesity problems.
Look at the portion sizes at Red Lobster or Olive Garden.
The average size of a dinner plate in the 50s was 9". It is 12" now.
Remember when a Coke was 7 ounces. A "SMALL" coke is now at least 12
ounces and may be 20. A Big Gulp is 64.
A candy bar was about the size of your thumb.
They called a 3 Musketeers bar that because you were supposed to break
it into 3 pieces and split it with 2 friends. It used to even be
scored. Now it is twice as big and people eat the whole thing.

I watched Supersize me... blech...


Like I said, McDonalds is just the lightning rod. Why single out
"fast" food when so many slow food places have all you can eat
specials?

Because McDs is ubiquitous in the US.

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On 6/25/10 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:55:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

McDonalds is just the lightning rod for our obesity problems.
Look at the portion sizes at Red Lobster or Olive Garden.
The average size of a dinner plate in the 50s was 9". It is 12" now.
Remember when a Coke was 7 ounces. A "SMALL" coke is now at least 12
ounces and may be 20. A Big Gulp is 64.
A candy bar was about the size of your thumb.
They called a 3 Musketeers bar that because you were supposed to break
it into 3 pieces and split it with 2 friends. It used to even be
scored. Now it is twice as big and people eat the whole thing.

I watched Supersize me... blech...


Like I said, McDonalds is just the lightning rod. Why single out
"fast" food when so many slow food places have all you can eat
specials?


More moral equivalency.

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YukonBound wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:55:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

As to what they have in Canada, most Canadians find it quite
acceptable. So,
you're fabricating like crazy.

No fabrication. Canadians we have met do not like the system at all.
Care is being rationed. There are long waits for treatment with
conditions not considered "life threatening". They are not allowed to
go outside the system. Many go to the US for treatment if they can
afford it. Good doctors are leaving to practice elsewhere.

Is that your idea of health care nirvana?


Say what?
Yes. if you need a knee, or hip replacement, you'll wait longer than
you like. The beauty is...nothing stops those people from going
elsewhere (such as USA) if they can afford it.
In most cases it depends on what province you live in.
As far as doctors go... they can make more money south of the
border... but with that comes drastic insurance rates. My next door
neighbour was a family physician and he researched it all out......
decided to stay.
I lost our family doctor to that southern movement quite a few years
ago. his brother took over the practice... within walking distance of
my home.
the older brother is now back working out oh his younger brothers
office. Go figure!
On the other side of me is a well known local cancer specialist. I'm
sure she could go anywhere, and command a handsome fee, but she stays
right here.
Some say 'quality of life' is an important part of the equation.
Money isn't everything.
Say what?

Canadian health care sucks?