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U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:08:15 -0400, Harry
wrote: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. but...but...you dont understand!!! people have the opportunity to get rich on healthcare! that's MORE IMPORTANT than people GETTING healthcare. that's FREE ENTERPRISE it COSTS more it's INEFFECTIVE in coverage but a few folks get RICH!! that's the "MURRCIAN WAY" you a commie or sumpthin'? |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Harry" wrote in message m... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:21:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Harry" wrote in message om... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. This discussion has no business in a boating group. 2. The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. 3. There is no chance of #2 any time soon. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:40:32 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. This discussion has no business in a boating group. 2. The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. wrong. malpractice costs run about 1.5% of total healthcare costs http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...th-care-costs/ 3. There is no chance of #2 any time soon. that's because it's irrelevant |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:21:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Harry" wrote in message news:acudnYOh86d9Dr_RnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@earthlink. com... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. This discussion has no business in a boating group. Then why are you contributing to it? 2. The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. Completely untrue. Next time google before you type. You claim you're an expert for cruising, but you're clearing no expert with the facts. 3. There is no chance of #2 any time soon. Completely untrue. This suggestion was brought up by Sen. Coburn, which Obama immediately endorsed. Therefore, it must be Obama's fault it isn't happening... according to the right-wing logic anyway. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 6/23/10 8:40 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:21:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. This discussion has no business in a boating group. 2. The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. Bull****, w'hine. Just plain bull****. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 23/06/2010 5:08 PM, Harry wrote:
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. Bet the study was from the government or governmetn sponsored trying to sell this wealth robbing dead horse. Lets hope people wise up in November voting habits. There is a reason far fewer Canadians own boats than Americans...smaller homes on average, smaller lots...long waiting lists for family physistions... My guess is we are healthier as fewer can afford to smoke or drink or own boats.... You think government is going to provide you health care for $3800 / year.... Hahahahaha Hahahaha hahahaha you are a huge sucker. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...-care-costs/On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:51:04 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/06/2010 5:08 PM, Harry wrote: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. Bet the study was from the government or governmetn sponsored trying to sell this wealth robbing dead horse. bet it wasn't Lets hope people wise up in November voting habits. There is a reason far fewer Canadians own boats than Americans...smaller homes on average, smaller lots...long waiting lists for family physistions... and how long do they wait if they have NO health insurance you guys keep ignoring THAT section of the population You think government is going to provide you health care for $3800 / year.... the canadian economy is in better shape than the US economy. it grew at 6.1% in the 1st quarter of this year more proof the right doesnt know **** |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Jun 23, 8:40*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:21:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Harry" wrote in message om... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results.. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. *This discussion has no business in a boating group. 2. *The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. 3. *There is no chance of #2 any time soon. A quote from the article: "reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system..." Does anyone seriously think there's any chance at all that their "study" would have any other outcome than the one they want and are actively promoting? ~snerk~ |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:39:08 -0400, W1TEF
wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:46:37 -0400, bpuharic wrote: wrong. malpractice costs run about 1.5% of total healthcare costs Tell me something - based on your yearly income, including boat, home, car and personal, how much o you spend on insurance as a percentage of your income? i dont know. it's wrapped in my benefits. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 23/06/2010 8:46 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:39:08 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:46:37 -0400, wrote: wrong. malpractice costs run about 1.5% of total healthcare costs Tell me something - based on your yearly income, including boat, home, car and personal, how much o you spend on insurance as a percentage of your income? i dont know. it's wrapped in my benefits. So you want to be taxed more so your employer is off the hook? Are you a sucker as your employer isn't going to give you a raise. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 23/06/2010 8:24 PM, Jack wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:40 pm, wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:21:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. This discussion has no business in a boating group. 2. The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. 3. There is no chance of #2 any time soon. A quote from the article: "reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system..." Does anyone seriously think there's any chance at all that their "study" would have any other outcome than the one they want and are actively promoting? ~snerk~ Well said. Always examine the motive. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Jun 23, 8:40 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:21:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Harry" wrote in message om... U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. "As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it," Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters in a telephone briefing. Previous reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system, have been heavily used by policymakers and politicians pressing for healthcare reform. Davis said she hoped health reform legislation passed in March would lead to improvements. The current report uses data from nationally representative patient and physician surveys in seven countries in 2007, 2008, and 2009. It is available here In 2007, health spending was $7,290 per person in the United States, more than double that of any other country in the survey. Australians spent $3,357, Canadians $3,895, Germans $3,588, the Netherlands $3,837 and Britons spent $2,992 per capita on health in 2007. New Zealand spent the least at $2,454. This is a big rise from the Fund's last similar survey, in 2007, which found Americans spent $6,697 per capita on healthcare in 2005, or 16 percent of gross domestic product. "We rank last on safety and do poorly on several dimensions of quality," Schoen told reporters. "We do particularly poorly on going without care because of cost. And we also do surprisingly poorly on access to primary care and after-hours care." NETHERLANDS RANKED FIRST OVERALL The report looks at five measures of healthcare -- quality, efficiency, access to care, equity and the ability to lead long, healthy, productive lives. Britain, whose nationalized healthcare system was widely derided by opponents of U.S. healthcare reform, ranks first in quality while the Netherlands ranked first overall on all scores, the Commonwealth team found. U.S. patients with chronic conditions were the most likely to say they gotten the wrong drug or had to wait to learn of abnormal test results. "The findings demonstrate the need to quickly implement provisions in the new health reform law," the report reads. Critics of reports that show Europeans or Australians are healthier than Americans point to the U.S. lifestyle as a bigger factor than healthcare. Americans have higher rates of obesity than other developed countries, for instance. "On the other hand, the other countries have higher rates of smoking," Davis countered. And Germany, for instance, has a much older population more prone to chronic disease. Every other system covers all its citizens, the report noted and said the U.S. system, which leaves 46 million Americans or 15 percent of the population without health insurance, is the most unfair. "The lower the performance score for equity, the lower the performance on other measures. This suggests that, when a country fails to meet the needs of the most vulnerable, it also fails to meet the needs of the average citizen," the report reads. It's Obama's fault for even trying to fix things... duhhh... Of course you know, as an expert on the rule of law, that: 1. This discussion has no business in a boating group. 2. The legal system is badly in need of tort reform, one of the leading causes of high medical expenses. 3. There is no chance of #2 any time soon. A quote from the article: "reports by the nonprofit fund, which conducts research into healthcare performance and promotes changes in the U.S. system..." Does anyone seriously think there's any chance at all that their "study" would have any other outcome than the one they want and are actively promoting? ~snerk~ Well, who do you think you can believe??? Faux News maybe? |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:12:22 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/06/2010 8:46 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:39:08 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:46:37 -0400, wrote: wrong. malpractice costs run about 1.5% of total healthcare costs Tell me something - based on your yearly income, including boat, home, car and personal, how much o you spend on insurance as a percentage of your income? i dont know. it's wrapped in my benefits. So you want to be taxed more so your employer is off the hook? we pay one way or another Are you a sucker as your employer isn't going to give you a raise. you right wingers are SUCH idiots the american middle class hasnt had a raise in 10 years. much of that due to increases in health costs. dumb. you guys are truly dumb |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:13:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Well said. Always examine the motive. except that, on the right, rich white guys are assumed to be infallible |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 23/06/2010 7:54 PM, bpuharic wrote:
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...-care-costs/On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:51:04 -0600, wrote: On 23/06/2010 5:08 PM, Harry wrote: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found. Bet the study was from the government or governmetn sponsored trying to sell this wealth robbing dead horse. bet it wasn't Lets hope people wise up in November voting habits. There is a reason far fewer Canadians own boats than Americans...smaller homes on average, smaller lots...long waiting lists for family physistions... and how long do they wait if they have NO health insurance you guys keep ignoring THAT section of the population You think government is going to provide you health care for $3800 / year.... the canadian economy is in better shape than the US economy. it grew at 6.1% in the 1st quarter of this year more proof the right doesnt know **** You are truly myopic. What good is "free" insurance if you die waiting? And it isn't free, the article said $3800 per person, ok, 1/3 actually work so that is $10,000++ per taxpayer. But wait, that is government with a 25.5% GA, so make it $12,500. Oh wait, government likes to skim it for pork, aff another 30%. Before long government holds it over your head like a hammer to justify 50% of your income will go to taxes in one form or another. And you still get to wait to find a family doctor or 3 months for an MRI to have the tech say, wish we caught this a month earlier. I will not even get into governemtn rationing of services often based on your taxability. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6607/...-time-preview/ Look at the wait times. Someone was in the paper last week, died waiting. So what the costs and you can't get it in time. http://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/...Alberta-Canada http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...113/story.html These are daily stories typical in Canada. Get over it, your DC government wants this to skim the revenue. BTW, I also fork out $3000 extra to cover me when I travel as Canadians "free" insurance does not cover me when I am in the US or South America. In fact, the "free" care is ward care with 12 other beds in the same room. By paying extra a I get private or semi-private (2). All is not as it seems. Obama is playing you for a fool. Oh, even our rich premiers would rather go to the US than use the same system they manage for us. Think about that for a minute. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:37:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/06/2010 7:54 PM, bpuharic wrote: http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...-care-costs/On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:51:04 -0600, wrote: Lets hope people wise up in November voting habits. There is a reason far fewer Canadians own boats than Americans...smaller homes on average, smaller lots...long waiting lists for family physistions... and how long do they wait if they have NO health insurance you guys keep ignoring THAT section of the population You think government is going to provide you health care for $3800 / year.... the canadian economy is in better shape than the US economy. it grew at 6.1% in the 1st quarter of this year more proof the right doesnt know **** You are truly myopic. What good is "free" insurance if you die waiting? and how long do you wait if you have NO insurance? care to answer? oh. no. you won't. got any proof anyone in canada is dying because of waiting? no. i thought not. And it isn't free, the article said $3800 per person, ok, 1/3 actually work so that is $10,000++ per taxpayer and the US cost is probably close to double that .. But wait, that is government with a 25.5% GA, so make it $12,500. Oh wait, government likes to skim it for pork, aff another 30%. Before long government holds it over your head like a hammer to justify 50% of your income will go to taxes in one form or another. and the US cost is probably double THAT And you still get to wait to find a family doctor or 3 months for an MRI to have the tech say, wish we caught this a month earlier. I will not even get into governemtn rationing of services often based on your taxability. gee. it took me 2 months to get an appt with an ENT throat dr who went to an american medical school instead of one who graduated from the kabul school of medicine and medical services here are rationed on your ability to pay. so, yes, we have rationing. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6607/...-time-preview/ Look at the wait times. Someone was in the paper last week, died waiting. So what the costs and you can't get it in time. gee. guess you get good service here in the US if you have no health insurance, right? Get over it, your DC government wants this to skim the revenue. get over it. your health care is more efficent, and cheaper and more available than ours is. .. All is not as it seems. Obama is playing you for a fool. and the rich white boy bush already duped you into beliieving right wing fairy tales Oh, even our rich premiers would rather go to the US than use the same system they manage for us. Think about that for a minute. blah blah. 165,000 americans go overseas for healthcare they can afford think about that for a moment |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
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U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Jun 23, 11:23*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:13:13 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Well said. * Always examine the motive. except that, on the right, rich white guys are assumed to be infallible Good old buffy... the master of non sequitur. You make me laugh more than you'll ever know! Hilarious. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the standard categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what those who do better spend. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:42:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message m... In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the standard categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what those who do better spend. It makes you wonder why people travel here from all over the world to get some of our inferior health care. For specialized operations and treatments we do great. For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. THAT makes you wonder. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 6/24/10 6:27 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:42:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the standard categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what those who do better spend. It makes you wonder why people travel here from all over the world to get some of our inferior health care. For specialized operations and treatments we do great. For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. THAT makes you wonder. No need to wonder...the best medical care in this country is reserved for those who can pay for the most expensive medical care. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:42:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message om... In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the standard categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what those who do better spend. It makes you wonder why people travel here from all over the world to get some of our inferior health care. For specialized operations and treatments we do great. For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. THAT makes you wonder. Quit drinking, smoking, and eating so much junk food. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Harold" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:42:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . com... In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the standard categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what those who do better spend. It makes you wonder why people travel here from all over the world to get some of our inferior health care. For specialized operations and treatments we do great. For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. THAT makes you wonder. Quit drinking, smoking, and eating so much junk food. Sounds like you've identified your next New Year resolutions. Feel free to not wait for Jan. 1st to start. Does it hurt when you continually bang your head up against a wall? |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:59:02 -0400, Harry
wrote: the fact that people from anywhere with $$$ get a different level of treatment You'd prefer to get the same level of treatment as no-insurance walk ins? Surely you jest. You should move to the Bahamas. Every inhabited island has a free health clinic staffed by a visiting nurse. They are open several hours a week and treat everyone. Or move to the Dominican Republic. The local pharmacist is also the front line health care specialist. Walk in and tell the pharmacist that you have a sinus infection. They will sell you a weeks dosage of a broad spectrum antibiotic for $7. Off you go with a complete cure in your hand for the price of 2 or 3 beers, and no delays for record keeping, check ups or medical history. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:27:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. Statistics cite por favor. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 6/24/10 8:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:59:02 -0400, wrote: the fact that people from anywhere with $$$ get a different level of treatment You'd prefer to get the same level of treatment as no-insurance walk ins? Surely you jest. You should move to the Bahamas. Every inhabited island has a free health clinic staffed by a visiting nurse. Whoosh...right over your head...as usual. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:31:19 -0400, Harry
wrote: No need to wonder...the best medical care in this country is reserved for those who can pay for the most expensive medical care. Radical, totally radical. People like you and I with good insurance and disposable income get better care, radical. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On 6/24/10 9:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:31:19 -0400, wrote: No need to wonder...the best medical care in this country is reserved for those who can pay for the most expensive medical care. Radical, totally radical. People like you and I with good insurance and disposable income get better care, radical. Once again...whooooooosh. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:21:14 -0400, Harry
wrote: On 6/24/10 9:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:31:19 -0400, wrote: No need to wonder...the best medical care in this country is reserved for those who can pay for the most expensive medical care. Radical, totally radical. People like you and I with good insurance and disposable income get better care, radical. Once again...whooooooosh. I guess you are just too profound for us ordinary mortals. Are you suggesting that *everyone* should get exactly the same level of health care regardless of their ability to pay? They have that in Canada and no one seems to like it very much. Perhaps you could state your point a little more succinctly. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Jun 24, 8:58*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:27:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. Statistics cite por favor. Remember, the thread you are responding to was started based on a "study" by a group that had already decided what the outcome of that study would be. There are no real supporting statistics. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
On Jun 24, 8:12*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:37:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Harold" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:42:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message .com... In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the standard categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what those who do better spend. It makes you wonder why people travel here from all over the world to get some of our inferior health care. For specialized operations and treatments we do great. For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. THAT makes you wonder. Quit drinking, smoking, and eating so much junk food. Sounds like you've identified your next New Year resolutions. Feel free to not wait for Jan. 1st to start. Does it hurt when you continually bang your head up against a wall? The point he is making is our worst demographic for life expectancy is also the worst for obesity, high fat diets, smoking, drug abuse and death from criminal activity Not counting too much stress. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:21:14 -0400, Harry wrote: On 6/24/10 9:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:31:19 -0400, wrote: No need to wonder...the best medical care in this country is reserved for those who can pay for the most expensive medical care. Radical, totally radical. People like you and I with good insurance and disposable income get better care, radical. Once again...whooooooosh. I guess you are just too profound for us ordinary mortals. Are you suggesting that *everyone* should get exactly the same level of health care regardless of their ability to pay? They have that in Canada and no one seems to like it very much. Perhaps you could state your point a little more succinctly. I think he's suggesting that all the people of the US should get at least the basic care for a reasonable price. As we have it now, there are millions without care. As to what they have in Canada, most Canadians find it quite acceptable. So, you're fabricating like crazy. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:37:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Harold" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:42:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message s.com... In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the standard categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what those who do better spend. It makes you wonder why people travel here from all over the world to get some of our inferior health care. For specialized operations and treatments we do great. For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. THAT makes you wonder. Quit drinking, smoking, and eating so much junk food. Sounds like you've identified your next New Year resolutions. Feel free to not wait for Jan. 1st to start. Does it hurt when you continually bang your head up against a wall? The point he is making is our worst demographic for life expectancy is also the worst for obesity, high fat diets, smoking, drug abuse and death from criminal activity We all know that's a problem. He's trying to use that argument to deny people basic coverage. He's an idiot. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Jun 24, 8:12 pm, wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:37:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Harold" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:42:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message .com... In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? Go look it up. We have typically scored very low in all the standard categories, esp. if you remember that we spend multiples of what those who do better spend. It makes you wonder why people travel here from all over the world to get some of our inferior health care. For specialized operations and treatments we do great. For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. THAT makes you wonder. Quit drinking, smoking, and eating so much junk food. Sounds like you've identified your next New Year resolutions. Feel free to not wait for Jan. 1st to start. Does it hurt when you continually bang your head up against a wall? The point he is making is our worst demographic for life expectancy is also the worst for obesity, high fat diets, smoking, drug abuse and death from criminal activity Not counting too much stress. Bzzzzt.... of topic Tim! :) |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:27:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. Statistics cite por favor. Look it up yourself if you're able. If you're not, let me know. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Jun 24, 8:58 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:27:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: For common stuff like life-expectancy we rate at the 3rd World level. Statistics cite por favor. Remember, the thread you are responding to was started based on a "study" by a group that had already decided what the outcome of that study would be. There are no real supporting statistics. In your case, no real brain power. |
U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study
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says... In article , says... Subject: U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study From: Harry Newsgroups: rec.boats U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study What are the criteriea being evaluated and who did the evaluation? None, she made it up, she can't cite it, watch.... snerk.. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! |
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