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Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much you
can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST warn
of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the small
boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example, if
the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this. Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or tolet
cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.


English please Nombnuts


No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you don't.

On 25/06/2010 1:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html


Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this. Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.


English please Nombnuts


No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. Because it can't be determined what you really are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

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On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html


Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat
is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to get
a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.


English please Nombnuts


No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.

On Jun 25, 10:58*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...capsized..html

Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad..

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.

If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat
is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to get
a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.

English please Nombnuts

No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. *Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.

Polly want a cracker?

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On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html


Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being
obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat
is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent
for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to
the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may
have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a
problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But
there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to get
a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.


English please Nombnuts


No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.


Are your hands sore yet. Perhaps you should do some finger exercises. It
might brighten your attitude.

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On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html


Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being
obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat
is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent
for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active
shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to
the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may
have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a
problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But
there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to
get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.


English please Nombnuts


No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.


Are your hands sore yet. Perhaps you should do some finger exercises. It
might brighten your attitude.


Dummy... I've been using a 2 x 4 on your head so long that the piece of wood
just filed a police report.

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On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html


Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets...
sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's
pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being
obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small
boat is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent
for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active
shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to
the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may
have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a
problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But
there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to
get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.


English please Nombnuts


No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.


Are your hands sore yet. Perhaps you should do some finger exercises. It
might brighten your attitude.


Dummy... I've been using a 2 x 4 on your head so long that the piece of
wood just filed a police report.


Newsflash!
Crazy lady in California forest reports that the wood she uses to get
head filed a police report. We think she's been eating too much tree bark.

On Jun 26, 12:30*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Harold" wrote in message

...





"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 25/06/2010 1:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Harold" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:54 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
.. .
On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
. ..
On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
news:b2k226926nbtfsn40dkefkrjm2ge13 ...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.

If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being
obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat
is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent
for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active
shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to
the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may
have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a
problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But
there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to
get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.

English please Nombnuts

No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. *Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.

Are your hands sore yet. Perhaps you should do some finger exercises. It
might brighten your attitude.

Dummy... I've been using a 2 x 4 on your head so long that the piece of wood
just filed a police report.

Is that the same 2x4 that your boyfriend ties around the back of his
waist so that he doesn't fall in?

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
...
On Jun 26, 12:30 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Harold" wrote in message

...





"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 25/06/2010 1:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Harold" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:54 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
.. .
On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
. ..
On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in
message
news:b2k226926nbtfsn40dkefkrjm2ge13 ...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets...
sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and
you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you
have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's
pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the
barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing
everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.

If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to
turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being
obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small
boat
is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell
bent
for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active
shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable
to
the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in
fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a
diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may
have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For
example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a
problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But
there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to
get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.

English please Nombnuts

No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. Because it can't be determined what you
really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes
burdensome.

Are your hands sore yet. Perhaps you should do some finger exercises.
It
might brighten your attitude.

Dummy... I've been using a 2 x 4 on your head so long that the piece of
wood
just filed a police report.

Is that the same 2x4 that your boyfriend ties around the back of his
waist so that he doesn't fall in?

Sounds like you have experience with this.