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On 6/23/10 8:21 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:29 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.


According to the news story, the tug was pushing nine barges. What size
barges, I don't know, but that far back, it is unlikely the barge operator
could see anything in front of him, and, if he could see the small boat,
it isn't likely he could have stopped in time or even changed the
direction of that train of barges significantly.

Perhaps operators of pusher barge trains should be required to post a
forward lookout on the bow of the most forward barge.

Good point... or maybe they should be restricted in how many barges they can
push in a confined space.
We have a bit of a similar controversy up here on 'road trains'... that is
18 wheelers pulling two trailers, rather than one.
Lots of safety concerns from the public.

How is a two trailer truck rig similar to a tug pushing barges, little
buddy?

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On 6/23/10 8:21 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:29 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.


According to the news story, the tug was pushing nine barges. What size
barges, I don't know, but that far back, it is unlikely the barge
operator
could see anything in front of him, and, if he could see the small
boat,
it isn't likely he could have stopped in time or even changed the
direction of that train of barges significantly.

Perhaps operators of pusher barge trains should be required to post a
forward lookout on the bow of the most forward barge.

Good point... or maybe they should be restricted in how many barges they
can
push in a confined space.
We have a bit of a similar controversy up here on 'road trains'... that
is
18 wheelers pulling two trailers, rather than one.
Lots of safety concerns from the public.

How is a two trailer truck rig similar to a tug pushing barges, little
buddy?

Kevin.. keep quiet. The men are discussing an important safety concern.
If we get around to preventing broken arms in pre-teens, we'll advise you.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

It's not for me. We were in the Atchafalaya River one morning on our way to
a great oxbow isolated fishing lake south of Butte La Rose, Louisiana called
Cow Island Lake. Google earth it, and you will see the tiny cut we are
talking about. We rounded a corner and came into a narrow cut about the
same time a barge was coming out of it. We nearly ran into it head-on. We
had been on that stretch many times, but had never once seen a barge in that
cut. We figured he got in there by mistake, or may have been taking it as a
shortcut. There wasn't very much clearance as it was. We had to wait a
good bit before the big barges and pushboat came out so we could go in. It
was before dawn, and a dark night. Luckily not stormy.

Things happen quick on the water.

Steve

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A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.


Steve

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A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc
wrote:

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

One possibility is that the guys in the fishing boat were used to
seeing barges and tugs go by and didn't think anything of it.
Supposedly they were all experienced and fished in the same area
frequently. If the barges were outside of their normal track for some
reason they could have been caught by surprise.

On Jun 23, 9:08*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc

wrote:
It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. *I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

One possibility is that the guys in the fishing boat were used to
seeing barges and tugs go by and didn't think anything of it.
Supposedly they were all experienced and fished in the same area
frequently. *If the barges were outside of their normal track for some
reason they could have been caught by surprise.

But still that ain't something small. You'd think it would have
gotten their attention once it was a few hundred feet away. At least
enough to decide to keep an eye on it. Just speculation though.
Amybe we'll get some more detals.

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On Jun 22, 9:29*pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

On 6/23/10 10:32 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In article991b7911-95f9-412a-a5b7-
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says...

On Jun 22, 9:29 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

I have been there and almost got run over..

Rewind and try it again.

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
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In article 991b7911-95f9-412a-a5b7-
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On Jun 22, 9:29 pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!


Maybe it was a 'police barge' and they were looking for you.

On 6/23/10 2:09 PM, YukonBound wrote:


"I am Tosk" wrote in message
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In article 991b7911-95f9-412a-a5b7-
,
says...

On Jun 22, 9:29 pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!


Maybe it was a 'police barge' and they were looking for you.


snerk

Yeah...the cops wanted to keel haul the little ****.

In article ,
says...

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
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In article 991b7911-95f9-412a-a5b7-
,
says...

On Jun 22, 9:29 pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!


Maybe it was a 'police barge' and they were looking for you.

That post made you look very smart, cultured and refined like me!