On 23/06/2010 8:32 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
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On Jun 22, 9:29 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

Sounds fly by night. You said no lights? Is that even legal? Try that
in Canada with the barges HP rating and so fine city.


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On Jun 23, 12:35*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:32:18 -0400, I am Tosk

wrote:
I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

I thought the front barge was required to have running lights and a
flasher.
At any rate the sun was up when this happened

Then again, if the fisherman were familiar with the area, then they
should have known to watch for barge traffic.

On 23/06/2010 1:12 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 12:35 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:32:18 -0400, I am Tosk

wrote:
I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

I thought the front barge was required to have running lights and a
flasher.
At any rate the sun was up when this happened

Then again, if the fisherman were familiar with the area, then they
should have known to watch for barge traffic.

Depends, was where they were for shiping? I can't believe barges are
considered to be the right of way near anchorage points for example. No
mater what their size.

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The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

On 24/06/2010 7:24 PM, A.Boater wrote:
Your politics has always been screwed up, now I find that, as a boater, you
are equally an idiot.

Please stay the hell OFF the water until you have a chance to read the
COLREGS and understand them. You are DANGEROUS.

Holy crap, what an idiot.

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Depends, was where they were for shiping? I can't believe barges are
considered to be the right of way near anchorage points for example. No
mater what their size.
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Hey, for that mater does a barge get the right to go over a marked
swiming area because it is navigatable?

Marked anchorages are there to park and do stuff like sleep or go to
shore. And ANY craft just a barreling though is out of line. You read
the regs ... Anchorages and swiming areas, out of control barges would
be guilty as it gets.

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"A.Boater" wrote in message
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Your politics has always been screwed up, now I find that, as a boater,
you
are equally an idiot.

Please stay the hell OFF the water until you have a chance to read the
COLREGS and understand them. You are DANGEROUS.

Holy crap, what an idiot.

lol

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:32:18 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

I thought the front barge was required to have running lights and a
flasher.
At any rate the sun was up when this happened

I've seen zillions of them on the IntraCoastal Waterway without lights.

Steve

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:32:18 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

I thought the front barge was required to have running lights and a
flasher.
At any rate the sun was up when this happened

No, it was dark out when it happened.. If it had a flasher, it was not
visible or at least apparent from my point of view.. All I saw was a
bright star off in the distance and it started closing fast. Turned out
it was the tug light, I barely got out of the way with my little 2 horse
motor on the little aluminum skiff.

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On 24/06/2010 6:11 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:32:18 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

I have been there and almost got run over.. How you can miss it? I don't
know it's huge but the one that crept up on my was like a big silent
planed slipping in in the night... No lights on the front of the barges,
it was crazy.

I thought the front barge was required to have running lights and a
flasher.
At any rate the sun was up when this happened

No, it was dark out when it happened.. If it had a flasher, it was not
visible or at least apparent from my point of view.. All I saw was a
bright star off in the distance and it started closing fast. Turned out
it was the tug light, I barely got out of the way with my little 2 horse
motor on the little aluminum skiff.

In that case, the barge captian should get a ticket. No lights, no
horn, night...

I don't know local regs, try that in Canada and you will get charged if
they see it.

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On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:55:28 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

No, it was dark out when it happened.. If it had a flasher, it was not
visible or at least apparent from my point of view.. All I saw was a
bright star off in the distance and it started closing fast. Turned out
it was the tug light, I barely got out of the way with my little 2 horse
motor on the little aluminum skiff.

In that case, the barge captian should get a ticket. No lights, no
horn, night...

It happens all the time. In my experience it is unusual to see any
lights at all on a lead barge, and if so, they are small and very dim.
Think about it. There is no source of power on barges other than
batteries, and no way to recharge batteries. The vast majority of
barges are just a floating steel box with no machinery and no one on
board.

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On Jun 22, 9:29 pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:09:42 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It's not likely that a life jacket would have saved someone run over
by a bunch of barges and a tug. That's the problem I have with those
statistics, the "pro life jacket" people always want to assume that
wearing a life jacket would have saved the victim. And that is not
always the case. We don't wear life jackets while recreational
boating. I only ask people to wear one if they are very young or
can't swim. Wearing a life jacket is a situation by situation call.

It's hard to imagine tht these three guys could have all missed seeing
this bearing down on them. I can understand how the tug operator
might have missed seeing them.

reply: It takes a very long distance to turn or stop these aquatic freight
trains. Unless the barges ran right over the person, pressing them
underwater for a long time, they would have had a much better chance of
floating around it like a bobbing cork with a life jacket on. Boating
without a life jacket while under way is a personal call for each person. I
got knocked off a drilling platform in the Gulf of Mexico. I had one on. I
have no doubt it saved my life. To each his own. It's not an assumption
that wearing a life jacket will save your life automatically. Just like it
is not an assumption that a seat belt will save your life in a car crash.
It's a statistic that is proven by millions of episodes. You have a better
chance if you have some safety equipment on.

Just the facts, maam.

Steve

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