On Jun 24, 8:19*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d7d0cc54-b70c-4ae3-97cc-
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says...





On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, "mmc" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org...

In article 1660a4fc-2c0c-46bd-a669-a72a65d5d112
@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 22, 10:34 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:29:00 -0400, W1TEF
wrote:

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It is sad, and it's really not clear exactly how it could have been
avoided other than greater vigilance/keeping out of the way. I have
to admit that I'm not much into wearing life jackets either except
under the most extreme circumstances, and it's not really clear that
wearing a life jacket will save you from being run over by 8 barges
and a tug. Probably not is my guess but you never know.

They probably became distracted by their fishing and didn't notice the
barges until too late, or perhaps their engine failed to start at the
critical juncture, or maybe they had an anchor own and couldn't get
it up, etc. There are lots of possibilities I suppose but it does
drive home the danger associated with small recreational boats mixing
in with large commercial traffic.

One has to wonder if the tug operator suffers from the same malady
that many of the 18 wheeler drivers do. The "I'm a 'professional'
driver, and these mere regular people in their cars and trucks need to
get out of my way" attitude. Rules of navigation notwithstanding,
it's on his conscience now.

Must be a local thing... Most truckdrivers here are pretty good on the
road. They hate to crash, slows them down plenty..

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

I drove some for a couple jobs I had and after experiencing enough idiots
cutting in front of me and hearing about truckers dying or ending up
seriously injured rather than running (literally) over a "4 wheeler" I took
the attitude that if a driver was stupid enough to make it a him/her or me
situation it was going to be him/her.

Are you one of those truckers who will run up behind a "4 wheeler" and
sit there, tailgating, a foot or two off their bumper, knowing that
you don't have a prayer of stopping if traffic slows suddenly? *Or one
of those who switches into the left passing lane going downhill,
knowing full well an uphill is just a few hundred feet ahead, and now
you'll just become a moving roadblock, running beside your brethren
trucker in the right lane, for the next 5 miles, unwilling to speed up
to get by and move back over? *Or the trucker that pulls out into a
two lane road with traffic approching, knowing it will take you a mile
or two of struggling just to barely approach the speed limit, all the
while with traffic backing up behind you?

And then you wonder why people seemingly cut in front of you? *It's
because of many trucker's bad driving behavior and general lack of
driving courtesy. *Besides, if you guys were such great drivers, we
wouldn't have to shut down the interstate on a nearly weekly basis
because some dumb trucker has spilled his load on one of the off-
ramps... you know, the ones that are clearly marked with a sharp turn
sign and a low speed limit.

I believe that 18 wheelers should be limited to interstates only, and
have to off-load their cargo to smaller trucks within a mile or two of
the interstate. *That would eliminate the severe damage they inflict
on the secondary roads, and the havoc they inflict on traffic. *If
they spill their load, they personally pay for the cleanup. *Cause an
accident, lose your commercial license *forever*.

I do appreciate them hauling our cargo. *Just don't act like an
asshole and try to kill us while doing it!

Wow, you must live in some weird bizarro world! Truckers here are pretty
good, it's the "4 wheelers" who do everything you just said, rarely
truckers...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

You have 4 wheelers spilling their loads on off-ramps?

Seriously, we have two "major" ports, Savannah and Charleston, that
puts lots of trucker traffic on the roads around here. And while
there are certainly plenty of cars that exhibit some of the same
behavior, I can get around or avoid a car much easier than an 80 foot
long truck. An idiot in a 40 ton truck is *far* more dangerous than
in a 2 ton car.

Besides, mmc gave us a peek into a trucker's mind... he said he
developed an attitude that instead of trying to avoid an accident he
would just plow right through us in his truck. Nice, huh?

In article 18b34f3a-ba3d-4532-841c-fda13ac582c6
@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 24, 8:19*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d7d0cc54-b70c-4ae3-97cc-
,
says...





On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, "mmc" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org...

In article 1660a4fc-2c0c-46bd-a669-a72a65d5d112
@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 22, 10:34 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:29:00 -0400, W1TEF
wrote:

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It is sad, and it's really not clear exactly how it could have been
avoided other than greater vigilance/keeping out of the way. I have
to admit that I'm not much into wearing life jackets either except
under the most extreme circumstances, and it's not really clear that
wearing a life jacket will save you from being run over by 8 barges
and a tug. Probably not is my guess but you never know.

They probably became distracted by their fishing and didn't notice the
barges until too late, or perhaps their engine failed to start at the
critical juncture, or maybe they had an anchor own and couldn't get
it up, etc. There are lots of possibilities I suppose but it does
drive home the danger associated with small recreational boats mixing
in with large commercial traffic.

One has to wonder if the tug operator suffers from the same malady
that many of the 18 wheeler drivers do. The "I'm a 'professional'
driver, and these mere regular people in their cars and trucks need to
get out of my way" attitude. Rules of navigation notwithstanding,
it's on his conscience now.

Must be a local thing... Most truckdrivers here are pretty good on the
road. They hate to crash, slows them down plenty..

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

I drove some for a couple jobs I had and after experiencing enough idiots
cutting in front of me and hearing about truckers dying or ending up
seriously injured rather than running (literally) over a "4 wheeler" I took
the attitude that if a driver was stupid enough to make it a him/her or me
situation it was going to be him/her.

Are you one of those truckers who will run up behind a "4 wheeler" and
sit there, tailgating, a foot or two off their bumper, knowing that
you don't have a prayer of stopping if traffic slows suddenly? *Or one
of those who switches into the left passing lane going downhill,
knowing full well an uphill is just a few hundred feet ahead, and now
you'll just become a moving roadblock, running beside your brethren
trucker in the right lane, for the next 5 miles, unwilling to speed up
to get by and move back over? *Or the trucker that pulls out into a
two lane road with traffic approching, knowing it will take you a mile
or two of struggling just to barely approach the speed limit, all the
while with traffic backing up behind you?

And then you wonder why people seemingly cut in front of you? *It's
because of many trucker's bad driving behavior and general lack of
driving courtesy. *Besides, if you guys were such great drivers, we
wouldn't have to shut down the interstate on a nearly weekly basis
because some dumb trucker has spilled his load on one of the off-
ramps... you know, the ones that are clearly marked with a sharp turn
sign and a low speed limit.

I believe that 18 wheelers should be limited to interstates only, and
have to off-load their cargo to smaller trucks within a mile or two of
the interstate. *That would eliminate the severe damage they inflict
on the secondary roads, and the havoc they inflict on traffic. *If
they spill their load, they personally pay for the cleanup. *Cause an
accident, lose your commercial license *forever*.

I do appreciate them hauling our cargo. *Just don't act like an
asshole and try to kill us while doing it!

Wow, you must live in some weird bizarro world! Truckers here are pretty
good, it's the "4 wheelers" who do everything you just said, rarely
truckers...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

You have 4 wheelers spilling their loads on off-ramps?

Seriously, we have two "major" ports, Savannah and Charleston, that
puts lots of trucker traffic on the roads around here. And while
there are certainly plenty of cars that exhibit some of the same
behavior, I can get around or avoid a car much easier than an 80 foot
long truck. An idiot in a 40 ton truck is *far* more dangerous than
in a 2 ton car.

Besides, mmc gave us a peek into a trucker's mind... he said he
developed an attitude that instead of trying to avoid an accident he
would just plow right through us in his truck. Nice, huh?

Well, I don't think I would be so narrow as to take the rants of a
retired trucker as a blanket attitude... Either way, I live and work,
and drive just outside NYC and NJersey, drove a truck down in the city
for a while and drive over 50,000 miles a year, average in my vehicles.
Most truckers don't want to tangle with a four wheeler as it's not
pretty when that rig gets sideways... I have at least 4-5 4'wheelers cut
me off or try to kill me every time I take my trailer out, or even
without it... Truckers rarely cut me off, or tailgate me, or pass me on
the right, or cut across three lanes just to slam on the brakes in front
of me... Had one pass me on the right as I was sitting in a crosswalk
letting a woman cross the other day, the bitch on my right almost killed
her, passing a hauler and trailer where she couldn't see anything...
Personally I can't remember the last time a trucker cut me off, or
almost killed me and my family texting or talking on a cell phone...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

On 6/25/10 10:21 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Either way, I live and work,
and drive just outside NYC and NJersey, drove a truck down in the city
for a while and drive over 50,000 miles a year


You do not live and work "just outside" New York City and New Jersey.

You live in eastern Connecticut, close to Rhode Island, and you do not work.

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On 6/25/10 10:21 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Either way, I live and work,
and drive just outside NYC and NJersey, drove a truck down in the city
for a while and drive over 50,000 miles a year


You do not live and work "just outside" New York City and New Jersey.

You live in eastern Connecticut, close to Rhode Island, and you do not work.

You are a freaking expert on everything and everyone aren't you?

On 6/25/10 10:55 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/25/10 10:21 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Either way, I live and work,
and drive just outside NYC and NJersey, drove a truck down in the city
for a while and drive over 50,000 miles a year


You do not live and work "just outside" New York City and New Jersey.

You live in eastern Connecticut, close to Rhode Island, and you do not work.

You are a freaking expert on everything and everyone aren't you?




I know the name of the town in which the little **** lives...he's told
us here any number of times.

The town is in eastern Connecticut. It is not just outside New York City
or New Jersey.

Perhaps if you had paid attention in school, you might have built up a
personal knowledge base of U.S. geography. I suppose the marines didn't
care that you weren't too bright.

In article ,
says...

On 6/25/10 10:55 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/25/10 10:21 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Either way, I live and work,
and drive just outside NYC and NJersey, drove a truck down in the city
for a while and drive over 50,000 miles a year


You do not live and work "just outside" New York City and New Jersey.

You live in eastern Connecticut, close to Rhode Island, and you do not work.

You are a freaking expert on everything and everyone aren't you?




I know the name of the town in which the little **** lives...he's told
us here any number of times.

The town is in eastern Connecticut. It is not just outside New York City
or New Jersey.

Perhaps if you had paid attention in school, you might have built up a
personal knowledge base of U.S. geography. I suppose the marines didn't
care that you weren't too bright.

While in boot camp I had to report to the Company Commander for a
counseling sessions on considering becoming an officer and the many
programs available to enlisted marines on becoming commissioned officers
in the USMC. There were three of us in my platoon who had to attend this
counseling session. I informed the Captain that I was already enrolled
in one of those programs. But, after seeing that the military of the
just post Carter years was as screwed up as the government of the just
post carter years I decided to go commercial all the way.

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says...

On 6/25/10 10:55 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/25/10 10:21 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Either way, I live and work,
and drive just outside NYC and NJersey, drove a truck down in the city
for a while and drive over 50,000 miles a year


You do not live and work "just outside" New York City and New Jersey.

You live in eastern Connecticut, close to Rhode Island, and you do not work.

You are a freaking expert on everything and everyone aren't you?




I know the name of the town in which the little **** lives...he's told
us here any number of times.

The town is in eastern Connecticut. It is not just outside New York City
or New Jersey.

Perhaps if you had paid attention in school, you might have built up a
personal knowledge base of U.S. geography. I suppose the marines didn't
care that you weren't too bright.

While in boot camp I had to report to the Company Commander for a
counseling sessions on considering becoming an officer and the many
programs available to enlisted marines on becoming commissioned officers
in the USMC. There were three of us in my platoon who had to attend this
counseling session. I informed the Captain that I was already enrolled
in one of those programs. But, after seeing that the military of the
just post Carter years was as screwed up as the government of the just
post carter years I decided to go commercial all the way.

I have nothing but disdain and hatred for anyone who served in the
military. I was a scared fat chicken **** who's mom and dad kept locked
up taking practice tests. That's why I didn't serve my country.

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says...

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On 6/25/10 10:21 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Either way, I live and work,
and drive just outside NYC and NJersey, drove a truck down in the city
for a while and drive over 50,000 miles a year


You do not live and work "just outside" New York City and New Jersey.

You live in eastern Connecticut, close to Rhode Island, and you do not work.

You are a freaking expert on everything and everyone aren't you?

Harry is an idiot. First off, I work every day and have challenged the
asshole several times to prove he works because I can... You can see my
work on line 24/7... Oh, and the asshole doesn't know ****. I don't live
in "Eastern CT", in fact I live just about dead center of the State.

Harry spends everyday, 24/7 here insulting and cowering under his desk,
he has never ever shown us any evidence at all he does anything but live
on the stolen retirement funds of the Uuilco elderly he ****ed out of
their money and the pension, hard working blue collar guys earned for
him...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

On 6/26/10 10:20 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In om,
says...

In ,
says...

On 6/25/10 10:21 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

Either way, I live and work,
and drive just outside NYC and NJersey, drove a truck down in the city
for a while and drive over 50,000 miles a year


You do not live and work "just outside" New York City and New Jersey.

You live in eastern Connecticut, close to Rhode Island, and you do not work.

You are a freaking expert on everything and everyone aren't you?

Harry is an idiot. First off, I work every day and have challenged the
asshole several times to prove he works because I can... You can see my
work on line 24/7... Oh, and the asshole doesn't know ****. I don't live
in "Eastern CT", in fact I live just about dead center of the State.

Harry spends everyday, 24/7 here insulting and cowering under his desk,
he has never ever shown us any evidence at all he does anything but live
on the stolen retirement funds of the Uuilco elderly he ****ed out of
their money and the pension, hard working blue collar guys earned for
him...


1. You don't work.

2. If you live in the center of Connecticut, you are not "just outside
New York City and New Jersey." Middletown is about in the center of
Connecticut. It is about 110 miles from Middletown to New York City, and
New Jersey is farther. 110 miles is not "just outside," period.

3. No one at ULLICO stole anyone's retirement funds, **** for brains.

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says...
3. No one at ULLICO stole anyone's retirement funds, **** for brains.

Was there a judicial finding regarding this or was it ULLICO that made
the determination?