On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:16:50 -0400, moose wrote:

On 5/24/2010 1:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/24/10 12:50 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/05/2010 8:46 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 24, 10:36 am, wrote:
Obviously, this oil spill has caused very little damage so far in
spite of being huge. IN relative terms, it's damage is far smaller
than a single weeks worth of tourism. So far, I am totally
unimpressed by any damage from the spill and I think this will
actually cause technology to be developed for spills that would be
problems.

Of course when you have a foreign oil company bribing the Obama admin
to ignore normal requirements, bad things can happen. You play by
Chicago rules and the Gulf Coast gets hurt. Obama does not care about
anybody in the south, he completely ignored the spill until the media
jumped on it and then ignored Nashville compeltely.

Didn't big mouth Obama say just a few weeks earlier to the start of the
spill that he wanted more oil drilling? Did he not open up new tracts
for that purpose?

After all, DC is hungry for $$$ and developing ones own oil has a
fantastic tax return for DC greedy overspending democrats.



It's comical how the mindless right keeps trying to shift the blame for
BP's screw-ups to the government.

Didn't the gubmint turn a blind eye to some safety violations on BP's
rigs? What's that all about? I smell a rat. A big greedy gubmint rat.

Absolutely. Obama's folks have been in bed with BP from the gitgo.

"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates
over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama,
according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of
employees and the company's political action committees - $2.89 million flowed
to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64420A20100505

Of course, Reuters is just another right wing rag.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:16:50 -0400, moose wrote:

On 5/24/2010 1:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/24/10 12:50 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/05/2010 8:46 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 24, 10:36 am, wrote:
Obviously, this oil spill has caused very little damage so far in
spite of being huge. IN relative terms, it's damage is far smaller
than a single weeks worth of tourism. So far, I am totally
unimpressed by any damage from the spill and I think this will
actually cause technology to be developed for spills that would be
problems.

Of course when you have a foreign oil company bribing the Obama admin
to ignore normal requirements, bad things can happen. You play by
Chicago rules and the Gulf Coast gets hurt. Obama does not care about
anybody in the south, he completely ignored the spill until the media
jumped on it and then ignored Nashville compeltely.

Didn't big mouth Obama say just a few weeks earlier to the start of the
spill that he wanted more oil drilling? Did he not open up new tracts
for that purpose?

After all, DC is hungry for $$$ and developing ones own oil has a
fantastic tax return for DC greedy overspending democrats.



It's comical how the mindless right keeps trying to shift the blame for
BP's screw-ups to the government.

Didn't the gubmint turn a blind eye to some safety violations on BP's
rigs? What's that all about? I smell a rat. A big greedy gubmint rat.

Absolutely. Obama's folks have been in bed with BP from the gitgo.

"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal
candidates
over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,
according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix
of
employees and the company's political action committees - $2.89 million
flowed
to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from
individuals."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64420A20100505

Of course, Reuters is just another right wing rag.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling. Who
were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.

On 5/24/2010 3:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:16:50 -0400, moose wrote:

On 5/24/2010 1:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/24/10 12:50 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/05/2010 8:46 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 24, 10:36 am, wrote:
Obviously, this oil spill has caused very little damage so far in
spite of being huge. IN relative terms, it's damage is far smaller
than a single weeks worth of tourism. So far, I am totally
unimpressed by any damage from the spill and I think this will
actually cause technology to be developed for spills that would be
problems.

Of course when you have a foreign oil company bribing the Obama admin
to ignore normal requirements, bad things can happen. You play by
Chicago rules and the Gulf Coast gets hurt. Obama does not care about
anybody in the south, he completely ignored the spill until the media
jumped on it and then ignored Nashville compeltely.

Didn't big mouth Obama say just a few weeks earlier to the start of
the
spill that he wanted more oil drilling? Did he not open up new tracts
for that purpose?

After all, DC is hungry for $$$ and developing ones own oil has a
fantastic tax return for DC greedy overspending democrats.



It's comical how the mindless right keeps trying to shift the blame for
BP's screw-ups to the government.

Didn't the gubmint turn a blind eye to some safety violations on BP's
rigs? What's that all about? I smell a rat. A big greedy gubmint rat.

Absolutely. Obama's folks have been in bed with BP from the gitgo.

"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal
candidates
over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,
according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a
mix of
employees and the company's political action committees - $2.89
million flowed
to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from
individuals."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64420A20100505

Of course, Reuters is just another right wing rag.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling.
Who were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.


That was quite dishonest, assuming you can read. Here's more.

"over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,"

Now that's what I call "quite telling". And Obama isn't even an oil
man................................yet.

On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:58:43 -0400, John smith wrote:



"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling.
Who were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.


That was quite dishonest, assuming you can read. Here's more.

"over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,"

Now that's what I call "quite telling". And Obama isn't even an oil
man................................yet.

obama hasnt been in politics for 20 years.

and 71% of oil money goes to the GOP

On 24/05/2010 4:12 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:58:43 -0400, John wrote:



"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling.
Who were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.


That was quite dishonest, assuming you can read. Here's more.

"over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,"

Now that's what I call "quite telling". And Obama isn't even an oil
man................................yet.

obama hasnt been in politics for 20 years.

and 71% of oil money goes to the GOP

Officially, for federal politics, 1996.

But holding a political office of any kind started in 1988 as president
of a politial rag at Harvard.

Before that in highly political positions in community organizations.

So in fact at least 22 years, you are WRONG as usual.

--
I would rather be a paid up Conservative nut job than a Liberal with no
nuts, no job in debt and living off of other people like a leach.

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:36:04 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/05/2010 4:12 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:58:43 -0400, John wrote:


obama hasnt been in politics for 20 years.

and 71% of oil money goes to the GOP

Officially, for federal politics, 1996.

But holding a political office of any kind started in 1988 as president
of a politial rag at Harvard.

ROFLMAO!!! now the editor of the harvard 'crimson' is more powerful
than the president!!

HAHAHAHA!!! is there any more proof needed that the right hates obama
because he's BLACK??

On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:58:43 -0400, John smith wrote:

On 5/24/2010 3:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:16:50 -0400, moose wrote:

On 5/24/2010 1:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/24/10 12:50 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/05/2010 8:46 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 24, 10:36 am, wrote:
Obviously, this oil spill has caused very little damage so far in
spite of being huge. IN relative terms, it's damage is far smaller
than a single weeks worth of tourism. So far, I am totally
unimpressed by any damage from the spill and I think this will
actually cause technology to be developed for spills that would be
problems.

Of course when you have a foreign oil company bribing the Obama admin
to ignore normal requirements, bad things can happen. You play by
Chicago rules and the Gulf Coast gets hurt. Obama does not care about
anybody in the south, he completely ignored the spill until the media
jumped on it and then ignored Nashville compeltely.

Didn't big mouth Obama say just a few weeks earlier to the start of
the
spill that he wanted more oil drilling? Did he not open up new tracts
for that purpose?

After all, DC is hungry for $$$ and developing ones own oil has a
fantastic tax return for DC greedy overspending democrats.



It's comical how the mindless right keeps trying to shift the blame for
BP's screw-ups to the government.

Didn't the gubmint turn a blind eye to some safety violations on BP's
rigs? What's that all about? I smell a rat. A big greedy gubmint rat.

Absolutely. Obama's folks have been in bed with BP from the gitgo.

"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal
candidates
over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,
according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a
mix of
employees and the company's political action committees - $2.89
million flowed
to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from
individuals."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64420A20100505

Of course, Reuters is just another right wing rag.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling.
Who were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.


That was quite dishonest, assuming you can read. Here's more.

"over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,"

Now that's what I call "quite telling". And Obama isn't even an oil
man................................yet.

As with most liberals, nincdeplume isn't known for her honesty. She's attempting
to walk a mile in Harry's shoes.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:58:43 -0400, John smith wrote:

On 5/24/2010 3:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:16:50 -0400, moose wrote:

On 5/24/2010 1:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/24/10 12:50 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/05/2010 8:46 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 24, 10:36 am, wrote:
Obviously, this oil spill has caused very little damage so far in
spite of being huge. IN relative terms, it's damage is far smaller
than a single weeks worth of tourism. So far, I am totally
unimpressed by any damage from the spill and I think this will
actually cause technology to be developed for spills that would be
problems.

Of course when you have a foreign oil company bribing the Obama
admin
to ignore normal requirements, bad things can happen. You play by
Chicago rules and the Gulf Coast gets hurt. Obama does not care
about
anybody in the south, he completely ignored the spill until the
media
jumped on it and then ignored Nashville compeltely.

Didn't big mouth Obama say just a few weeks earlier to the start of
the
spill that he wanted more oil drilling? Did he not open up new
tracts
for that purpose?

After all, DC is hungry for $$$ and developing ones own oil has a
fantastic tax return for DC greedy overspending democrats.



It's comical how the mindless right keeps trying to shift the blame
for
BP's screw-ups to the government.

Didn't the gubmint turn a blind eye to some safety violations on BP's
rigs? What's that all about? I smell a rat. A big greedy gubmint rat.

Absolutely. Obama's folks have been in bed with BP from the gitgo.

"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal
candidates
over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,
according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a
mix of
employees and the company's political action committees - $2.89
million flowed
to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from
individuals."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64420A20100505

Of course, Reuters is just another right wing rag.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling.
Who were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.


That was quite dishonest, assuming you can read. Here's more.

"over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,"

Now that's what I call "quite telling". And Obama isn't even an oil
man................................yet.

As with most liberals, nincdeplume isn't known for her honesty. She's
attempting
to walk a mile in Harry's shoes.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

You're attempting to crawl up Rush's butt, but I doubt even he can
accommodate you.

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:04:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 12:42:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling. Who
were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.



If Bush had left BP in charge of this cluster**** for over a month
without any meaningful federal response the left would be losing their
mind.
James Carville, not exactly a GOP cheerleader, is one of the most
vocal critics of the lack of federal action and lack of pressure on
BP. He wants to know why we still trust BP to manage this problem.

as thad allen said today, who else has the expertise? what else would
be done?

so far no one has come up with better ideas.

the real fault was drilling in areas we could not control.

On Mon, 24 May 2010 23:09:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:05:10 -0400, bpuharic wrote:



as thad allen said today, who else has the expertise? what else would
be done?


Maybe another driller? The point is the feds have just stood back and
taken what BP says as gospel. People like Woods Hole have a lot more
underwater expertise and better vehicles.

WHOI probably does...but oil drilling at that depth is a specialty.
i'm not sure what else could be done at this point...it's new
territory

what i AM surprised about is the lack of planning for such an event.
BP seems to have taken as gospel transoceanic's assurances that
everything was under control

There may also be other
companies that could bring a lot more to bear on this.
It took almost a month to get decent pictures of the blowout.
I know they tried a small top hat, why not a huge one?

i think the larger one they first tried filled with crystallized
methane and became too buoyant to sit over the well head



so far no one has come up with better ideas.

It seems the only people who are allowed to have ideas are the BP
morons who caused the problem in the first place.

the real fault was drilling in areas we could not control.

yep. that, to me, is the root cause. lack of planning for a probable
event...it was just laziness on TO's part


That and a few major errors that violated the BP protocols.
They broke the BOP and ignored it. Then they violated protocol by not
plugging the well with mud when they were supposed to. This wasn't a
drilling failure it was a criminal act.

and they had indications there was methane in the well yet they
ignored that during their tests...

BTW
36 days ago Obama was still in favor of this kind of drilling, much to
the dismay of his new BFF, Charlie Crist..

i see no indication that we have enough oil offshore to even make a
dent in our energy situation. a few billion barrels isn't going to
make a difference.