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On Thu, 6 May 2010 15:05:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 6 May 2010 09:37:44 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Most of the southern states are still living under desegregation
orders that date back to the Kennedy and Johnson administrations.
There are still quotas for everything in the education system and
plenty of Al Sharpton wannabes who will sue at the drop of a hat.
We still have a whole lot of racially guided busing, some than makes
absolutely no sense.



Many of the issues in the south, as far as race relations and equality
goes
hasn't changed much. I don't see how quotas have much to do with
teacher/student performance. I still don't understand what you're trying
to
say with quotas... in the classroom?


Quotas affect "gifted" programs if they do not return the proper
demographic numbers. They certainly have problems if they try to
establish a special school for gifted students and one for "at risk"
students because they will not have equal ethnic populations.
The sociologists decided the kids are being deprived of the right to
attend a school with thugs and morons.


I doubt this is the case. It sounds like you're making up the part about
the
gifted vs. at risk part, since ethnicity can't be used exclusively. You're
clearly making stuff up about sociologists, implying that they have base
motives.

OK who does make up these stupid rules that they use to determine who
gets bused? The football coach?


Most places no longer bus for desegregation. The courts can make an
exception if the situation warrants it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegre..._United_States

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On Thu, 6 May 2010 20:54:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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OK who does make up these stupid rules that they use to determine who
gets bused? The football coach?


Most places no longer bus for desegregation. The courts can make an
exception if the situation warrants it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegre..._United_States


It's on the internet so it must be true huh?

There are still plenty of counties in the south that are still under
deseg orders or so recently out from under them that those old busing
patterns still remain. Hence my original statement.


And, hence my statement that whatever busing remains is probably justified,
esp. in the South, which has had some minor problems with race relations.

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On Thu, 6 May 2010 21:52:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 6 May 2010 20:54:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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OK who does make up these stupid rules that they use to determine who
gets bused? The football coach?


Most places no longer bus for desegregation. The courts can make an
exception if the situation warrants it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegre..._United_States


It's on the internet so it must be true huh?

There are still plenty of counties in the south that are still under
deseg orders or so recently out from under them that those old busing
patterns still remain. Hence my original statement.


And, hence my statement that whatever busing remains is probably
justified,
esp. in the South, which has had some minor problems with race relations.


Unfortunately it does interfere with the programs tho. If you can't
get 20% minority participation, you can't have the program.
They are trying to fix the problem Harry was talking about, the lack
of parental participation, with a quota system and a big yellow bus.



Well, there's always a trade off isn't there.

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On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:31:59 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Unfortunately it does interfere with the programs tho. If you can't
get 20% minority participation, you can't have the program.
They are trying to fix the problem Harry was talking about, the lack
of parental participation, with a quota system and a big yellow bus.



Well, there's always a trade off isn't there.


Unfortunately the trade off is the quality of the education for most
of the children to meet some obsolete goal set in the 60s for a
problem that no longer exists.
Nobody can complain that the school system is sparing a penny on any
student here. They spend over $17,000 each


No. It's got nothing to do with "most" childen. There are perhaps a few who
are adversely affected. The vast majority are suffering from the lack of
quality education because of other issues. For one thing, the underfunding
of No Child Left Behind.

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On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:31:59 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Unfortunately it does interfere with the programs tho. If you can't
get 20% minority participation, you can't have the program.
They are trying to fix the problem Harry was talking about, the lack
of parental participation, with a quota system and a big yellow bus.



Well, there's always a trade off isn't there.


Unfortunately the trade off is the quality of the education for most
of the children to meet some obsolete goal set in the 60s for a
problem that no longer exists.
Nobody can complain that the school system is sparing a penny on any
student here. They spend over $17,000 each


No. It's got nothing to do with "most" childen. There are perhaps a few
who
are adversely affected. The vast majority are suffering from the lack of
quality education because of other issues. For one thing, the underfunding
of No Child Left Behind.


Again, they are spending over $17,000 per year per student. Money is
not the problem.

BTW the best secular private school in town is cheaper than that.


Money is absolutely part of the problem. Do the minimal research. Bush
underfunded NCLB, which even Ted Kennedy thought was a good idea. He was
betrayed by Bush.

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On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:31:59 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Unfortunately it does interfere with the programs tho. If you can't
get 20% minority participation, you can't have the program.
They are trying to fix the problem Harry was talking about, the lack
of parental participation, with a quota system and a big yellow bus.



Well, there's always a trade off isn't there.


Unfortunately the trade off is the quality of the education for most
of the children to meet some obsolete goal set in the 60s for a
problem that no longer exists.
Nobody can complain that the school system is sparing a penny on any
student here. They spend over $17,000 each


No. It's got nothing to do with "most" childen. There are perhaps a few
who
are adversely affected. The vast majority are suffering from the lack of
quality education because of other issues. For one thing, the
underfunding
of No Child Left Behind.


Again, they are spending over $17,000 per year per student. Money is
not the problem.

BTW the best secular private school in town is cheaper than that.


Money is absolutely part of the problem. Do the minimal research. Bush
underfunded NCLB, which even Ted Kennedy thought was a good idea. He was
betrayed by Bush.


How is it a problem when we are spending over $17,000 a kid?

Some school boards may be short of money but ours seems to be rolling
in it. (1.4 billion bucks this year)
You seem to just be having a knee jerk reaction to an article you read
somewhere.
Federal funding was always a drop in the bucket here anyway.


Everywhere? Every district? Who is spending this? If it's part of the
bussing stuff, then very few districts are spending thatmuch.

As I said, NCLB didn't fund what it was supposed to fund. That's no "some
article" I read. That's a fact.

Federal funding may be a drop in the bucket there, but that's not the case
_everywhere_.