On Apr 27, 1:52*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

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On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:

I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill exploding as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...d+kill&spell=1

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Apr 27, 1:52 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

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On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:

I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill exploding as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

On Apr 27, 12:53*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

here is one source with links to othershttp://www.abcbirds.org/conservationissues/threats/energyproduction/w...

I think HK meant to Divide 40000 by 48 gallons/barrel to get 833
barrels/day, that is small. It is far less than the amount that
naturally leaks from deep seeps.

On 4/27/10 4:26 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:53 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

here is one source with links to othershttp://www.abcbirds.org/conservationissues/threats/energyproduction/w...

I think HK meant to Divide 40000 by 48 gallons/barrel to get 833
barrels/day, that is small. It is far less than the amount that
naturally leaks from deep seeps.


I believe what was quoted here was 40000 barrels a day. I was corrected
on the number of gallons per barrel. I assumed it was 55...it is
less...it is 42 gallons a barrel. So, no, I was not dividing, I was
multiplying. 40000 x 42 = more than a million and a half gallons *a day* .
The Exxon Valdez spilled about 10 million gallons in toto.



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"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/27/10 4:26 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:53 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about
windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of
ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

here is one source with links to
othershttp://www.abcbirds.org/conservationissues/threats/energyproduction/w...

I think HK meant to Divide 40000 by 48 gallons/barrel to get 833
barrels/day, that is small. It is far less than the amount that
naturally leaks from deep seeps.


I believe what was quoted here was 40000 barrels a day. I was corrected on
the number of gallons per barrel. I assumed it was 55...it is less...it is
42 gallons a barrel. So, no, I was not dividing, I was multiplying. 40000
x 42 = more than a million and a half gallons *a day* .
The Exxon Valdez spilled about 10 million gallons in toto.


No, no, and no! 40000 x 42 = 1 (Sarah Palin)

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On Apr 27, 3:53*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

here is one source with links to othershttp://www.abcbirds.org/conservationissues/threats/energyproduction/w...

10,000 to 40,000. Not alot in the grand scheme of things. And only 10%
were "raptors" or birds of prey.