I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

On Apr 27, 10:00*am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. *In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. *One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. *In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:00:31 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

The words of an authority on all subjects.

Guess you don't give a **** about the Louisiana coastline.

Small oil spill it's not. Something like 40,000 gallons a day spewing
into the gulf and will make landfall.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/04...Coast-on-alert

You are so quick to make excuses for big business. Is that your form
of teabaggerism? Stand up for the big guy so when it's your turn to
despoil the earth, you'll be in good company?

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

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Nom=de=Plume

On 4/27/10 1:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.



Are oil barrels 55 gallons? If so, multiply 40,000 x 55...sheesh.

To righties like Froggy, spilled oil is not a problem, and neither is
the death of coal miners.

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The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/27/10 1:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.



Are oil barrels 55 gallons? If so, multiply 40,000 x 55...sheesh.

To righties like Froggy, spilled oil is not a problem, and neither is the
death of coal miners.


Nope, 42 gallons.

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

On 4/27/10 1:50 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
m...
On 4/27/10 1:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.



Are oil barrels 55 gallons? If so, multiply 40,000 x 55...sheesh.

To righties like Froggy, spilled oil is not a problem, and neither is the
death of coal miners.


Nope, 42 gallons.



Thanks. Obviously, then, to Froggy, it is a far smaller problem. :)

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The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On Apr 27, 1:52*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

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On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:

I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill exploding as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:52:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths.

Let's see a cite for that claim.

The plain fact is that every time somebody's against wind turbines,
usually for irrational and hypocritical esthetic reasons, they
suddenly become concerned with bird mortality. Ask any one of them to
show some evidence of previous concern, and all you'll get is
doubletalk.

Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

So what? The birds have for the most part thrived while learning to
avoid all manner of equipment. They do pretty well with turbines as
well. The few problems that do occur have mostly been the result of
siting turbines in migratory flight paths.

Here are some numbers: about 500 times as many birds are killed by
house cats than by wind turbines. Turbines account for but a few
one-thousands of one percent of total bird mortality in the US.
Figures like those have been readily available for a long time.


http://skepticblog.org/2010/01/07/wi...-of-the-skies/
http://www.fws.gov/birds/mortality-fact-sheet.pdf
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...n_misconce.php

"The number of birds killed by wind turbines is also negligible when
compared to the number that die as a result of other human activities
such as traffic, hunting, electric power transmission and high-rise
buildings, the introduction of feral and roaming domestic cats,[8] and
especially the environmental impacts of using non-clean power sources.
For example, in the UK, where there are several hundred turbines,
about one bird is killed per turbine per year; 10 million per year are
killed by cars alone.[33] In the United States, turbines kill 70,000
birds per year, compared to 80,000 killed by aircraft,[34] 57 million
killed by cars, 97.5 million killed by collisions with plate
glass,[35] and hundreds of millions killed by cats.[8] An article in
Nature stated that each wind turbine kills an average of 4.27 birds
per year.[36]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds


Wayne