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Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Watch, as soon as November is over, or perhaps sooner, VAT is comming to a till near you. Unless of course you lefties wake up and smell the coffee, which is unlikely. You Obama supporters didn't think Obamanation was free did you? -- Socialism is great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax -- Socialism is great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. -- Socialism is great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 9:37 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. Good part is you will have to eat that VAT. Even Obamanite losers will have to pay. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 4/23/10 12:38 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 9:37 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. Good part is you will have to eat that VAT. Even Obamanite losers will have to pay. We can afford to pay a little more in order to extricate our country from the Bush-Cheney mess. It must really suck to be you, eh? -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
"hk" wrote in message m... On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a 2nd front in the war. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a 2nd front in the war. Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class. Nice slam on Bush though... -- Nom=de=Plume |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 4/23/10 5:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message m... On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a 2nd front in the war. Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class. Nice slam on Bush though... The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:42:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? actually they're protecting jobs. to the right, that's unforgiveable...protecting the middle class. we should only protect the rich and the biggest spender in history was george bush Watch, as soon as November is over, or perhaps sooner, VAT is comming to a till near you. Unless of course you lefties wake up and smell the coffee, which is unlikely. You Obama supporters didn't think Obamanation was free did you? more bitching. when the right wing comes up with a plan, let us know they gave away middle class incomes to the rich THEN they complain when the middle class protects itself canuch is a racist |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:26:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. you mean like 'bring it ON!!'? oh..wait...that was bush... wonder how many US troops died after bush shot off his mouth Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. uh no. you just dont realize what shape the economy is in. right wingers are clueless Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. he thinks obama's been president for 9 years he ignores the rich white boy bush |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 4:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:42:33 -0600, wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? actually they're protecting jobs. to the right, that's unforgiveable...protecting the middle class. we should only protect the rich Only if you are in denialism. Corrupt auto jobs were lost a long time ago. While GM was getting bailouts for it's inept business model, other companies were laying off as GM was producing subsidized vehicles. In 2009 GM recieved over $60,000 per vehicle it made to stay in business. What Obamanites don't want to admit is by keeping GM alive, how many Toyota, Ford, Honda and others were laid off? How many lost their jobs because of people worried about pending tax hikes to fund this Obamanation? You complain about "rich". Well how come Obama hasn't cahrged on single executive, accountant or anyone with the GM fraud? Even though a court has rules GM mistated financials like Enron and SOX laws exist, Obama isn't charging anyone. Going after Goldman, just PR to look like he is doing something. But as per usual, just a big mouth on a soap box selling more debt-spend. and the biggest spender in history was george bush Right about now that shifts to Obama. Certainly by the end of the year Obama will have racked more debt that Bush. In fact, by the end of 2010 Obama will hold the two top debtor years in American history, 2009 and 2010. Watch, as soon as November is over, or perhaps sooner, VAT is comming to a till near you. Unless of course you lefties wake up and smell the coffee, which is unlikely. You Obama supporters didn't think Obamanation was free did you? more bitching. when the right wing comes up with a plan, let us know they gave away middle class incomes to the rich THEN they complain when the middle class protects itself canuch is a racist Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did. Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they are liberal debtors and lowered the cost of debt too much. Congress manages the money supply, look to democrat congress for who screwed up. Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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m... On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Is *that* a serious question? Oh wait, it's a rhetorical question. I get it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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m... On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. I'm hoping it can be cleaned up in four years. It's unclear if even that is possible. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did. You're an idiot. Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they are liberal debtors and lowered the cost of debt too much. Congress manages the money supply, look to democrat congress for who screwed up. You're an idiot. Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. You're an idiot. I think I summed that up nicely. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 23/04/2010 5:39 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did. You're an idiot. Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they are liberal debtors and lowered the cost of debt too much. Congress manages the money supply, look to democrat congress for who screwed up. You're an idiot. Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. You're an idiot. I think I summed that up nicely. Sorry your brain didn't grasp the fundimentals. But no one ever accused you of being rational. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On 23/04/2010 5:38 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message m... On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Is *that* a serious question? Oh wait, it's a rhetorical question. I get it. So how is you Obama goose stepping going? -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:56:54 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? says the guy who's in denial about who was presdient the previous 8 |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:22:08 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did. which is like saying that, after you smoke for 30 years, when you're diagnosed with lung cancer it only started the week before. what an idiot. CDO's went from $1 billion in 96 to $62 TRILLION in 2006. but the right wing ignores this 'cuz it involved rich people Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they are liberal debtors well no. the GOP congress tightened bankruptcy rules for the middle class and made it easier for the rich. once again the right wing wants to blame the middle class Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. nope. the biggest spender in history: george bush and ronald reagan. they increased the debt more than any other presidents in US history. |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:16 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:42:33 -0600, wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? actually they're protecting jobs. to the right, that's unforgiveable...protecting the middle class. we should only protect the rich Only if you are in denialism. gee. all i have is the evidence on my side. you have rush limballs. wonder which shows the real picture Corrupt auto jobs were lost a long time ago. While GM was getting bailouts for it's inept business model, other companies were laying off as GM was producing subsidized vehicles. In 2009 GM recieved over $60,000 per vehicle it made to stay in business. what the hell does this have to do with unemployment? the right winger bitcher can't even stay on point. You complain about "rich". Well how come Obama hasn't cahrged on single executive, accountant or anyone with the GM fraud? ROFLMAO!!! do you REALLY thiknk the rich are gonna let ANYONE pass laws that pierce the corporate veil??? HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Even though a court has rules GM mistated financials like Enron and SOX laws exist, Obama isn't charging anyone. GM is peanuts compared to what BoA,goldman sachs, lehman, etc. did to the economy. they brought down the banking system. but they're rich white guys so your view is they're gods. and the biggest spender in history was george bush Right about now that shifts to Obama. great! he's doing the right thing. Certainly by the end of the year Obama will have racked more debt that Bush. In fact, by the end of 2010 Obama will hold the two top debtor years in American history, 2009 and 2010. great! he's doing the right thing. bush spent when there was no reason to spend. the right insisted on tax cuts for the rich to bankroll a war that killed 4400 US troops. obama's spending to protect jobs and th emiddle class i can see why you're ****ed. the darkie president is doing what the rich white boy couldnt' Watch, as soon as November is over, or perhaps sooner, VAT is comming to a till near you. Unless of course you lefties wake up and smell the coffee, which is unlikely. You Obama supporters didn't think Obamanation was free did you? more bitching. when the right wing comes up with a plan, let us know they gave away middle class incomes to the rich THEN they complain when the middle class protects itself canuch is a racist Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a 2nd front in the war. Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class. Nice slam on Bush though... -- Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest. Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own 60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get all our money back when GM goes public again. That would take a capitalization of $50 billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that much when they were successful. And 80% would still not return the $80 billion or so we took off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back every bit of money we lent them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can demand back all the money and a penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a couple million here, a couple million there on some of the asinine research the government is funding these days. We can not afford some of these items. Why are we funding the arts through the Federal government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal government function. Lot of cutting with out cutting vital programs to the poor. Cut back on the Education Bureau. Was not even a federal deptpartment until 1974. Now it controls most money for education in the USA. And only charges a 20-25% handling fee for sending the money back to the states with strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK cut the overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about reducing government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and give incentives to work. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts |
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On 23/04/2010 6:03 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:22:08 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did. which is like saying that, after you smoke for 30 years, when you're diagnosed with lung cancer it only started the week before. what an idiot. CDO's went from $1 billion in 96 to $62 TRILLION in 2006. but the right wing ignores this 'cuz it involved rich people How does it not involve rich people? Basically USA is bankrupt and the only thing saving it is "US is too big to fail...". Or is perceived that way. Anyone who looks at the numbers in a rational way knows it will never be payed off and is a ticking time bomb. Don't worry, they will tax the hell out of your grandchildren for the retirement obligations, like they do in UK and Canada. As China grows, the US will shrink economicially, that is in fact what we are seeing. I figure it will be less than 10 years and the Chinese economy will be larger, and could happen sooner. Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they are liberal debtors well no. the GOP congress tightened bankruptcy rules for the middle class and made it easier for the rich. Bankruptcy laws shoudl be tight. Letting liberals easily welsh and create defunct uncontrolled debt is what got us into this depression. once again the right wing wants to blame the middle class They voted for cheap easy liberal debt and sold America cheap. True conservatives have been screeming for decades to stop the madness. But no one wants to believe Ron Paul circa 2003 when he said the big debt depression is coming. Evey liberal pansi pandering idiot just wanted cheap easy debt. Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. nope. the biggest spender in history: george bush and ronald reagan. they increased the debt more than any other presidents in US history. Nope, wrong. Only took Reagan one trillion in his terms. That didn't last 8 months with Obama. At this point though, it does not mater as looking forward the US debtors are not going to do what is right for America, they worship debt and that is all their sorry liberal asses think about. Well cheap easy debt is coming to an end. Look at Greece, might be small potatoes but when sovern debt goes bad the economic system will unravel and eventually we be looking at 25% mortgage rates, if you qualify. This is the time to get out of debt as fast as you bloody can. Think since 2007 and the end of 2010 the US national debt will go from $9 to 14.5 trillion. $5.5 trillion increase in just 3 years. And no abatement in sight because Obama and democriters haven't done **** to stop it. In 15 years 80% of the USA will have no health care beyond bone setting and birth. Social Security will likely be so low or discontinued. Get used to Debt America in this century. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:16 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:42:33 -0600, wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? actually they're protecting jobs. to the right, that's unforgiveable...protecting the middle class. we should only protect the rich Only if you are in denialism. gee. all i have is the evidence on my side. you have rush limballs. wonder which shows the real picture Corrupt auto jobs were lost a long time ago. While GM was getting bailouts for it's inept business model, other companies were laying off as GM was producing subsidized vehicles. In 2009 GM recieved over $60,000 per vehicle it made to stay in business. what the hell does this have to do with unemployment? the right winger bitcher can't even stay on point. You complain about "rich". Well how come Obama hasn't cahrged on single executive, accountant or anyone with the GM fraud? ROFLMAO!!! do you REALLY thiknk the rich are gonna let ANYONE pass laws that pierce the corporate veil??? HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Even though a court has rules GM mistated financials like Enron and SOX laws exist, Obama isn't charging anyone. GM is peanuts compared to what BoA,goldman sachs, lehman, etc. did to the economy. they brought down the banking system. but they're rich white guys so your view is they're gods. and the biggest spender in history was george bush Right about now that shifts to Obama. great! he's doing the right thing. Certainly by the end of the year Obama will have racked more debt that Bush. In fact, by the end of 2010 Obama will hold the two top debtor years in American history, 2009 and 2010. great! he's doing the right thing. bush spent when there was no reason to spend. the right insisted on tax cuts for the rich to bankroll a war that killed 4400 US troops. obama's spending to protect jobs and th emiddle class i can see why you're ****ed. the darkie president is doing what the rich white boy couldnt' Watch, as soon as November is over, or perhaps sooner, VAT is comming to a till near you. Unless of course you lefties wake up and smell the coffee, which is unlikely. You Obama supporters didn't think Obamanation was free did you? more bitching. when the right wing comes up with a plan, let us know they gave away middle class incomes to the rich THEN they complain when the middle class protects itself canuch is a racist Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy Just learn what VAT means. It is coming. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On 4/23/10 8:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
Don't mistake racist to realist. The real racists are the goose stepping Obama brownshirts. Liberal debt socialism at any cost. Doomed to fail one way or another. Another lunatic fringe post by Canuck the Lunatic. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:54:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:03 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:22:08 -0600, wrote: CDO's went from $1 billion in 96 to $62 TRILLION in 2006. but the right wing ignores this 'cuz it involved rich people How does it not involve rich people? Basically USA is bankrupt and the only thing saving it is "US is too big to fail...". Or is perceived that way. Anyone who looks at the numbers in a rational way knows it will never be payed off and is a ticking time bomb. Don't worry, they will tax the hell out of your grandchildren for the retirement obligations, like they do in UK and Canada. and if the middle class today was homeless, how would that work out for their kids? and, yes, this involves the rich. the right, however, just ignores that and blames it all on the middle class As China grows, the US will shrink economicially, that is in fact what we are seeing. I figure it will be less than 10 years and the Chinese economy will be larger, and could happen sooner. for 1000 years china's econmy was the largest in the world. it would be unusal if they didn't regain that position, with 1.5 Billion people...5X what we have Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they are liberal debtors well no. the GOP congress tightened bankruptcy rules for the middle class and made it easier for the rich. Bankruptcy laws shoudl be tight. Letting liberals easily welsh and create defunct uncontrolled debt is what got us into this depression. ?? first you say congress decided debt was good then when it's pointed out this is wrong you say congress was good for tightenin rules.... do you read what you write? once again the right wing wants to blame the middle class They voted for cheap easy liberal debt and sold America cheap well, no they didn't. they didnt vote for CDO's of 62 TRILLION dollars. they didnt vote for economic collapse. once again teh right blames the middle class instead of wall street. .. True conservatives have been screeming for decades to stop the madness. But no one wants to believe Ron Paul circa 2003 when he said the big debt depression is coming. Evey liberal pansi pandering idiot just wanted cheap easy debt. and in 2003 congress and the white house were controlled by the conservative free market fanatics how's that work out? Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. nope. the biggest spender in history: george bush and ronald reagan. they increased the debt more than any other presidents in US history. Nope, wrong. Only took Reagan one trillion in his terms. That didn't last 8 months with Obama. and reagan didnt face the prospect of economic collapse. you simply are unaware of current economic issues. Look at Greece, might be small potatoes but when sovern debt goes bad the economic system will unravel and eventually we be looking at 25% mortgage rates, if you qualify. This is the time to get out of debt as fast as you bloody can. well no. sometimes debt is needed. ever hear of ww2? you're an economic cripple Think since 2007 and the end of 2010 the US national debt will go from $9 to 14.5 trillion. $5.5 trillion increase in just 3 years. And no abatement in sight because Obama and democriters haven't done **** to stop it. which is lower, as a % of our GDP, than we faced in ww2. you're an economic crippse. In 15 years 80% of the USA will have no health care beyond bone setting and birth. Social Security will likely be so low or discontinued. Get used to Debt America in this century. you're an economic cripple |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:56:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 5:59 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:16:27 -0600, wrote: unless, of course, you're a right wing racist fanatic who thinks obama's been president for 9 years Might be Ok for big mouth to shoot his mouth off but I think perhaps maybe Obama aught to clean up his own departmetns. Now that he has been there for 16 months, it is his problem. yep. and he's correcting it. unemployment down; housing sales up; durable goods orders up. good news. unless you're a racist Don't mistake racist to realist. The real racists are the goose stepping Obama brownshirts. Liberal debt socialism at any cost. Doomed to fail one way or another. i love it. bush threw americans in jail without lawyers and without due process. he spied on them. he tortured them but obama's the fascist of course, this is just more evidence for the racist hatred of the far right |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, wrote: Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy Just learn what VAT means. It is coming. i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something you, however, can't |
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On 23/04/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:54:00 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:03 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:22:08 -0600, wrote: CDO's went from $1 billion in 96 to $62 TRILLION in 2006. but the right wing ignores this 'cuz it involved rich people How does it not involve rich people? Basically USA is bankrupt and the only thing saving it is "US is too big to fail...". Or is perceived that way. Anyone who looks at the numbers in a rational way knows it will never be payed off and is a ticking time bomb. Don't worry, they will tax the hell out of your grandchildren for the retirement obligations, like they do in UK and Canada. and if the middle class today was homeless, how would that work out for their kids? Might be better to say fewer middle class exist today. If you are homeless and used to have one, then you dropped out of middle class. and, yes, this involves the rich. the right, however, just ignores that and blames it all on the middle class You just like blaming others. The rich didn't make the stupid take out loans they could not afford. Debt losers can try to shirk their responsibility but a welsher is a dime a dozen. As China grows, the US will shrink economicially, that is in fact what we are seeing. I figure it will be less than 10 years and the Chinese economy will be larger, and could happen sooner. for 1000 years china's econmy was the largest in the world. it would be unusal if they didn't regain that position, with 1.5 Billion people...5X what we have Yep. But will make many Americans like you sour as your wealth diminishes. Bankruptcy laws shoudl be tight. Letting liberals easily welsh and create defunct uncontrolled debt is what got us into this depression. ?? first you say congress decided debt was good then when it's pointed out this is wrong you say congress was good for tightenin rules.... do you read what you write? I have always said congress controls the money supply. President does not operate in a vaccum here. once again the right wing wants to blame the middle class They voted for cheap easy liberal debt and sold America cheap well, no they didn't. they didnt vote for CDO's of 62 TRILLION dollars. they didnt vote for economic collapse. once again teh right blames the middle class instead of wall street. Yes they did. Their representatives tehy sent to DC did just that. Most people pre-depression were middle class. Not sure what the current numbers are, but bet the majority still is. . True conservatives have been screeming for decades to stop the madness. But no one wants to believe Ron Paul circa 2003 when he said the big debt depression is coming. Evey liberal pansi pandering idiot just wanted cheap easy debt. and in 2003 congress and the white house were controlled by the conservative free market fanatics how's that work out? It started with the peanut farmer Carter and later Clinton that didn't want a repeat of 1981 interest rates. Cheap easy debt. Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. nope. the biggest spender in history: george bush and ronald reagan. they increased the debt more than any other presidents in US history. Nope, wrong. Only took Reagan one trillion in his terms. That didn't last 8 months with Obama. and reagan didnt face the prospect of economic collapse. you simply are unaware of current economic issues. Yes he did. But he stopped it from going into a depression by leaving more money in working taxpayers wallets. It worked too as it addressed the issue head on. Look at Greece, might be small potatoes but when sovern debt goes bad the economic system will unravel and eventually we be looking at 25% mortgage rates, if you qualify. This is the time to get out of debt as fast as you bloody can. well no. sometimes debt is needed. ever hear of ww2? you're an economic cripple Tell that to my accountant. He say I should retire but I don't think I am old enough. Think since 2007 and the end of 2010 the US national debt will go from $9 to 14.5 trillion. $5.5 trillion increase in just 3 years. And no abatement in sight because Obama and democriters haven't done **** to stop it. which is lower, as a % of our GDP, than we faced in ww2. Going to issue war bonds now? LOL. The current debt is ponzi debt, US government lending to itself on the currency account. Inflationary. Can't last, something is going to give. Sorry, I am not buying. Slight problems with the rates, credit risk and inflation futures. I leave such crappy investments for others. Debt to GDP maters little, it is your ability to pay the debt. And right now the USA has no functional ability to pay its debt as it is in big time structural deficit. And to back the currency, interest rates will be going up shortly, and DC is so screwed. Raise rates or eat hyper stagflation. Not pretty either way. I hear Greece needs to pay 9% on May futures and going up. you're an economic crippse. I would put you in touch with my tax accountant but I don't think 1) you could afford him and 2) you don't need one. In 15 years 80% of the USA will have no health care beyond bone setting and birth. Social Security will likely be so low or discontinued. Get used to Debt America in this century. you're an economic cripple LMAO. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph. The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults, they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards. Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, wrote: Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy Just learn what VAT means. It is coming. i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something you, however, can't Ever wonder why so very few Europeans, Canadians and UK people own boats? You are about to find out. Because lets for arguments sake say it is a even 5%. I suspect they will do 6 or 7, but say 5%. Your purchasing power just went down 5%. Takes $1.05 to buy $1.00 of stuff. So 1/20th of your income is gone from your use. Litterally a first class boat in a average working career. Even auto takes a hit, as you have 5% less to spend on the auto. In the end, 5% less autos will be sold. And your great grandchildren not yet born will curse your debt mongering liberal ass all to hell. And at 5%, it still will not balance Obama's/Congress overspending. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 6:38 PM, A.Boater wrote:
OK, pussy boy. Quit bitching, man up, and send in the money you owe. Owe for what? I've got a boat and I can afford the gas. My life (and fun) won't end because I pay my share. Your's won't either. Man up, pussy boy. Never said you didn't pay your share. But Obama/congress needs you to pay for all that loving money to losers like Citi, BAC, GM, government overspending and debt+interest on $14.5 trillion and growing. That senator isn't going to give up the lobster and pork. And you have to pay for the larders on the side lines too. Less than 30% of the people work for non-government and pay a signifigant amount of taxes to DC. But if you look at congress spending predictions, income tax will go up too. You have to support at least two others in a style they feel they deserve. Get used to it. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased and not as smart as Rush. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/04/2010 5:39 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did. You're an idiot. Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they are liberal debtors and lowered the cost of debt too much. Congress manages the money supply, look to democrat congress for who screwed up. You're an idiot. Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. You're an idiot. I think I summed that up nicely. Sorry your brain didn't grasp the fundimentals. But no one ever accused you of being rational. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. At least I have a brain. Nobody is sure what's growing between your ears.. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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