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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Apr 24, 1:00*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume"



I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single,
coherent argument from his at all.

it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't
represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves
'teabaggers'.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

Herr Krause writes nothing but left wing cliche's. I haven't seen a
single, coherent argument from his at all. But it's obvious you
approve of those.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

you be sure and let me know how canuck's right wing view of the
solution to our economic problems worked out in '29,

m'kay?

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On Apr 24, 6:19*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog



wrote:
On Apr 24, 1:00*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single,
coherent argument from his at all.

it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't
represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves
'teabaggers'.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

Herr Krause writes nothing but left wing cliche's. I haven't seen a
single, coherent argument from his at all. But it's obvious you
approve of those.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

you be sure and let me know how canuck's right wing view of the
solution to our economic problems worked out in '29,

m'kay?

I take it you don't plan on being around in another 19 years. Are you
that old, that feeble, or are you contemplative of taking yourself out
early?

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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:18:39 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Apr 24, 6:19*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog



pathetic. truly pathetic.

you be sure and let me know how canuck's right wing view of the
solution to our economic problems worked out in '29,

m'kay?

I take it you don't plan on being around in another 19 years. Are you
that old, that feeble, or are you contemplative of taking yourself out
early?

i'm 55. in 19 years who knows.

if i get old and senile i'll join the GOP.

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On 4/24/10 10:32 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:18:39 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Apr 24, 6:19 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog



pathetic. truly pathetic.

you be sure and let me know how canuck's right wing view of the
solution to our economic problems worked out in '29,

m'kay?

I take it you don't plan on being around in another 19 years. Are you
that old, that feeble, or are you contemplative of taking yourself out
early?

i'm 55. in 19 years who knows.

if i get old and senile i'll join the GOP.



Apparently the asshole didn't realize you were referring to 1929, eh?
TopBass is one of right-wing assholes whose posts I pass over.



--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:34:11 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 4/24/10 10:32 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:18:39 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Apr 24, 6:19 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog



pathetic. truly pathetic.

you be sure and let me know how canuck's right wing view of the
solution to our economic problems worked out in '29,

m'kay?

I take it you don't plan on being around in another 19 years. Are you
that old, that feeble, or are you contemplative of taking yourself out
early?

i'm 55. in 19 years who knows.

if i get old and senile i'll join the GOP.



Apparently the asshole didn't realize you were referring to 1929, eh?

i give up on trying to figure out the right wing. it's a group of
losers who just figure everything was perfect until the darkie took
over.


TopBass is one of right-wing assholes whose posts I pass over.

it's like watching a snail slither across a rock leaving a trail of
slime behind

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On 4/24/10 10:40 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:34:11 -0400,
wrote:

On 4/24/10 10:32 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:18:39 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Apr 24, 6:19 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog



pathetic. truly pathetic.

you be sure and let me know how canuck's right wing view of the
solution to our economic problems worked out in '29,

m'kay?

I take it you don't plan on being around in another 19 years. Are you
that old, that feeble, or are you contemplative of taking yourself out
early?

i'm 55. in 19 years who knows.

if i get old and senile i'll join the GOP.



Apparently the asshole didn't realize you were referring to 1929, eh?

i give up on trying to figure out the right wing. it's a group of
losers who just figure everything was perfect until the darkie took
over.


TopBass is one of right-wing assholes whose posts I pass over.

it's like watching a snail slither across a rock leaving a trail of
slime behind


Reason enough to skip over his posts.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career,
I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30%
(or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed
in the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it,
wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it
were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a
debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not
have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find
out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife
and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or
another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the
future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid
decisions you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do
the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's
problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush
overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more
than opening up a 2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

--
Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for
the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting
spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest.
Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from
TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own
60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get all our money
back when GM goes public again. That would take a capitalization of $50
billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that much when they were
successful. And 80% would still not return the $80 billion or so we took
off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back
every bit of money we lent them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus
money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can demand back all the money and
a penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a couple million here, a couple
million there on some of the asinine research the government is funding
these days. We can not afford some of these items. Why are we funding
the arts through the Federal government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal
government function. Lot of cutting with out cutting vital programs to
the poor. Cut back on the Education Bureau. Was not even a federal
deptpartment until 1974. Now it controls most money for education in the
USA. And only charges a 20-25% handling fee for sending the money back
to the states with strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK
cut the overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about
reducing government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and
give incentives to work.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html



You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from the
GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you.

Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out of
work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me.

Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school,
too bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat.

Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.


--
Nom=de=Plume


You are completely loony. Answer the question that I posed to BP. Not some
asinine talking points. Where the hell we the people going to make a profit
on GM? When it goes public? What would the capitalization have to be fore
use to break even. I did not say kill education. I said kill the US Dept
of Education. Killing it would instantly give a 20% raise in money
available to local schools. We could get rid of a lot of asinine rules.
Rules that have nothing to do with educating the children. Just make a law
that all schools have to be funded equally per student in a state. They
have to teach the 3 R's. You a fail to have a decent graduation rate, the
teachers and administrators are fired. Easy. The kids do not show up for
class, they are taken off the rolls and banned from them and their families
receiving welfare. Ever. You fail to get at least a GED, no public
assistance. Where is there a Federal responsibility to fund the arts? Why
should the San Francisco opera get Federal money? Same for a symphony in
Houston or Fargo?

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts


Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is
good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a
Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we
are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record
unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in
inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the
last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased and
not as smart as Rush.



This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts"
aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving again.
Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the unemployment
situation several times. Re-read the posts.

Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If your are going to answer for BP, at least do it coherently. Not some
Olberman talking points or why we do not have the economy moving with all
the debt spending. If you were ever a lawyer, you were fired for laziness.

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"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:40:28 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
news:t_6dnYKWzvk9I0zWnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@earthlink. com...
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in
the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help
pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I
expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future,
you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions
you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the
job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is
he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in
his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a
2nd
front in the war.

Vetoed two spending bills is the problem?

What do you think that tax giveaway to the wealthy and the *two* wars
did, bring money into the federal coffers?

Those wars were both of choice. Afganistan is just a Vietnam redux.
Years of ****ing money down a rathole for no gain and a lot of dead
and injured.

The Russians taught us nothing?

I see you can not comprehend what you read. Bush should have vetoed about
80% of the spending bills. And both the Republicans and the Democrats and
the public for was for Afghanistan.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:05:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.



Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is
good.

he's spending the money to keep spending up in the absence of consumer
spending. as the rich raped the middle class like a bunch of catholic
priests at a boy's school, the MC lost the ability to keep its head
above water. so obama had to step in, stabilized the financial sector
and provide for 1.5M jobs.

all to correct 30 years of rabid right wing free market capitalism

Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a
Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we are
getting more jobs, when California and others reached record unemployment
this last quarter.

i'm a scientist. i go with evidence

the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since obama took office.
teh FACT is we are no longer losing more jobs than we're creating. the
FACT is the economy is growing

those are FACTS. i dont care what rush tells you to believe.

Show how many foreclosed houses are in inventory, and
which areas are selling, and how much discount from the last sale. Stop
parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased and not as smart as
Rush.

rush is a blow hard drug addict. and the people who believe him are
dumber than he is.



You have to be one ****ty scientist! You state you go with facts and your
can not state a factual fact in your argument. Show me where unemployment
had gone down .0000001% since Obama took office. I will even give your the
link to the public data graph to start with.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...t+rate+grap h

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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:46:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:05:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


i'm a scientist. i go with evidence

the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since obama took office.
teh FACT is we are no longer losing more jobs than we're creating. the
FACT is the economy is growing

those are FACTS. i dont care what rush tells you to believe.




You have to be one ****ty scientist! You state you go with facts and your
can not state a factual fact in your argument. Show me where unemployment
had gone down .0000001% since Obama took office. I will even give your the
link to the public data graph to start with.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...t+rate+grap h

ROFLMOA!!! it's obvious you have NO idea what you're talking about!
the official statement of unemployment is HE

http://www.bls.gov/ the US bureau of labor statistics

unemployment reached its peak at 10.7%. it's now 9.7%. a 1% drop in
10% unemployment is TEN PERCENT

you are SUCH an IDIOT!!

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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:34:47 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message


Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.


--
Nom=de=Plume


You are completely loony. Answer the question that I posed to BP. Not some
asinine talking points. Where the hell we the people going to make a profit
on GM?

let's see...we spent 25B on GM. 180B on AIG

yet the right focuses on labor union GM rather than the rich guys at
AIG...bankrolled by another rich guy firm, goldman sachs
You fail to get at least a GED, no public
assistance. Where is there a Federal responsibility to fund the arts? Why
should the San Francisco opera get Federal money? Same for a symphony in
Houston or Fargo?

some of us think america should have cultural values. kind of like
some right wingers think moral values should be imposed by the police.
but liberals dont want police to force anyone to the symphony...or to
have govt regulated sex, like conservatives think we should

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:46:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:05:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


i'm a scientist. i go with evidence

the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since obama took office.
teh FACT is we are no longer losing more jobs than we're creating. the
FACT is the economy is growing

those are FACTS. i dont care what rush tells you to believe.




You have to be one ****ty scientist! You state you go with facts and your
can not state a factual fact in your argument. Show me where unemployment
had gone down .0000001% since Obama took office. I will even give your
the
link to the public data graph to start with.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...t+rate+grap h

ROFLMOA!!! it's obvious you have NO idea what you're talking about!
the official statement of unemployment is HE

http://www.bls.gov/ the US bureau of labor statistics

unemployment reached its peak at 10.7%. it's now 9.7%. a 1% drop in
10% unemployment is TEN PERCENT

you are SUCH an IDIOT!!


You guys and your arguments. Unemployment is HIGHER since Obama took
office, 8+% vs the current 9+%. That is FACT. Yes there has been a recent
decrease in the peak. That is also FACT.

You guys I'm sure will figure out the responsible party(s) for both.

Now, back to your name calling.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:20:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .


you are SUCH an IDIOT!!


You guys and your arguments. Unemployment is HIGHER since Obama took
office, 8+% vs the current 9+%. That is FACT. Yes there has been a recent
decrease in the peak. That is also FACT.

you're missing the point, of course. the FACT is unemployment is
DECREASING. the doubling of unemployment was caused by bush's
despression which started in 2007.

of COURSE unemployment is higher than it was when obama took office.
this is a MASSIVE depression and the US eoncomy is huge. there was
alot of inertia to overcome. the fact obama has turned around the
biggest depression in 80 years and done it in 1 year is remarkable.


You guys I'm sure will figure out the responsible party(s) for both.

i just present the facts. you decide.


Now, back to your name calling.

OK.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:20:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
. ..


you are SUCH an IDIOT!!


You guys and your arguments. Unemployment is HIGHER since Obama took
office, 8+% vs the current 9+%. That is FACT. Yes there has been a
recent
decrease in the peak. That is also FACT.

you're missing the point, of course. the FACT is unemployment is
DECREASING. the doubling of unemployment was caused by bush's
despression which started in 2007.

of COURSE unemployment is higher than it was when obama took office.
this is a MASSIVE depression and the US eoncomy is huge. there was
alot of inertia to overcome. the fact obama has turned around the
biggest depression in 80 years and done it in 1 year is remarkable.


You guys I'm sure will figure out the responsible party(s) for both.

i just present the facts. you decide.


Now, back to your name calling.

OK.

No, I didn't miss the point at all. It's just the way one sentence
statements without explanation can be and are misleading.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:31:23 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:20:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:




You guys I'm sure will figure out the responsible party(s) for both.

i just present the facts. you decide.


Now, back to your name calling.

OK.

No, I didn't miss the point at all. It's just the way one sentence
statements without explanation can be and are misleading.

yeah but where would talk radio be without 'em.

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On Apr 24, 3:43*am, jps wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:40:28 -0700, "Bill McKee"



wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
om...
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...xt-big-tax-inc...

The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.

Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in
the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax

First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.

I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help
pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I
expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future,
you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions
you've made in live.

If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the
job. * Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. *Lots of Bush's problem is
he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. *And Bush overspending in
his 8 years is probably the major screwup. *Even more than opening up a 2nd
front in the war.

Vetoed two spending bills is the problem? *

What do you think that tax giveaway to the wealthy and the *two* wars
did, bring money into the federal coffers?

Those wars were both of choice. *Afganistan is just a Vietnam redux.
Years of ****ing money down a rathole for no gain and a lot of dead
and injured.

The Russians taught us nothing?

And who voted for the dumb **** that's keeping us there?

What a joke you are.

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On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2
of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off
hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get
worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad
situation
to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern
debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing.

I have skin in the game.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Nope. You don't even get to enter the US. You're just grousing. All wind,
hot all the time.

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Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts


Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is
good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent
a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we
are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record
unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in
inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the
last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased
and not as smart as Rush.



This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts"
aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving
again. Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the unemployment
situation several times. Re-read the posts.

Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If your are going to answer for BP, at least do it coherently. Not some
Olberman talking points or why we do not have the economy moving with all
the debt spending. If you were ever a lawyer, you were fired for
laziness.



You're an idiot. I'm talking to you.

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On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career,
I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30%
(or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed
in the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want
a huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it,
wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it
were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a
debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not
have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find
out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush
and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in
order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark
hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in
one form or another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the
future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid
decisions you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do
the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's
problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush
overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more
than opening up a 2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

--
Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits
for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about
cutting spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with
interest. Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It
came from TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the
people own 60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get
all our money back when GM goes public again. That would take a
capitalization of $50 billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that
much when they were successful. And 80% would still not return the $80
billion or so we took off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let
them fold. Demand back every bit of money we lent them. If they can
pay $6+ billion in bonus money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can
demand back all the money and a penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a
couple million here, a couple million there on some of the asinine
research the government is funding these days. We can not afford some
of these items. Why are we funding the arts through the Federal
government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal government function. Lot
of cutting with out cutting vital programs to the poor. Cut back on the
Education Bureau. Was not even a federal deptpartment until 1974. Now
it controls most money for education in the USA. And only charges a
20-25% handling fee for sending the money back to the states with
strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK cut the
overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about reducing
government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and give
incentives to work.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html



You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from
the GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you.

Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out
of work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me.

Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school,
too bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat.

Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.


--
Nom=de=Plume


You are completely loony. Answer the question that I posed to BP. Not
some asinine talking points. Where the hell we the people going to make a
profit on GM? When it goes public? What would the capitalization have to
be fore use to break even. I did not say kill education. I said kill the
US Dept of Education. Killing it would instantly give a 20% raise in
money available to local schools. We could get rid of a lot of asinine
rules. Rules that have nothing to do with educating the children. Just
make a law that all schools have to be funded equally per student in a
state. They have to teach the 3 R's. You a fail to have a decent
graduation rate, the teachers and administrators are fired. Easy. The
kids do not show up for class, they are taken off the rolls and banned
from them and their families receiving welfare. Ever. You fail to get at
least a GED, no public assistance. Where is there a Federal
responsibility to fund the arts? Why should the San Francisco opera get
Federal money? Same for a symphony in Houston or Fargo?



Look it up yourself if you're able. Chances are you're too stupid to do
that. Instead, listen to Rush.

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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts


Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money
is good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people,
spent a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain
how we are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record
unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in
inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the
last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased
and not as smart as Rush.



This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts"
aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving
again. Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the
unemployment situation several times. Re-read the posts.

Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If your are going to answer for BP, at least do it coherently. Not some
Olberman talking points or why we do not have the economy moving with all
the debt spending. If you were ever a lawyer, you were fired for
laziness.



You're an idiot. I'm talking to you.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If I am an idiot, I appear brillian compared to you.

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On 4/25/10 5:11 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
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"Bill wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts


Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money
is good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people,
spent a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain
how we are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record
unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in
inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the
last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased
and not as smart as Rush.



This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts"
aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving
again. Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the
unemployment situation several times. Re-read the posts.

Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If your are going to answer for BP, at least do it coherently. Not some
Olberman talking points or why we do not have the economy moving with all
the debt spending. If you were ever a lawyer, you were fired for
laziness.



You're an idiot. I'm talking to you.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If I am an idiot, I appear brillian compared to you.




You are only brilliant in comparison to loogy and justhateaturd. In
comparison to someone of ordinary, average intelligence, you are as dumb
as a shoe.

--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:46:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:05:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


i'm a scientist. i go with evidence

the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since obama took office.
teh FACT is we are no longer losing more jobs than we're creating. the
FACT is the economy is growing

those are FACTS. i dont care what rush tells you to believe.




You have to be one ****ty scientist! You state you go with facts and your
can not state a factual fact in your argument. Show me where unemployment
had gone down .0000001% since Obama took office. I will even give your
the
link to the public data graph to start with.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...t+rate+grap h

ROFLMOA!!! it's obvious you have NO idea what you're talking about!
the official statement of unemployment is HE

http://www.bls.gov/ the US bureau of labor statistics

unemployment reached its peak at 10.7%. it's now 9.7%. a 1% drop in
10% unemployment is TEN PERCENT

you are SUCH an IDIOT!!



Me an idiot? You are frigging immensely stupid. You said Obama had reduced
unemployment 10% since he came in to office. Let me show you your quote
"the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since Obama took office.
"
It dropped 10% from the highest it was since he came in to office and it may
just be a small perturbation from the census worker hiring. He pushed for
the stimulus to keep unemployment under 8%. IT went from 10.7 to 9.7% last
month. He has gone up since he took over office. Gone up lots. In Feb.
2008 was 5.2%.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:17:49 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:46:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

http://www.bls.gov/ the US bureau of labor statistics

unemployment reached its peak at 10.7%. it's now 9.7%. a 1% drop in
10% unemployment is TEN PERCENT

you are SUCH an IDIOT!!



Me an idiot? You are frigging immensely stupid. You said Obama had reduced
unemployment 10% since he came in to office. Let me show you your quote
"the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since Obama took office.
"
It dropped 10% from the highest it was since he came in to office and it may
just be a small perturbation from the census worker hiring. He pushed for
the stimulus to keep unemployment under 8%. IT went from 10.7 to 9.7% last
month. He has gone up since he took over office. Gone up lots. In Feb.
2008 was 5.2%.

guess being right wing prevents you from reading.

unemployment due to bush's policy, reached a high of 10.7%. it's now,
due to obama's policies, 9.7. that's about 10%

whatsamatter? don't they teach math in right wing remedial schools?

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On 25/04/2010 11:42 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts


Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is
good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent
a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we
are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record
unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in
inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the
last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased
and not as smart as Rush.



This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts"
aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving
again. Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the unemployment
situation several times. Re-read the posts.

Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If your are going to answer for BP, at least do it coherently. Not some
Olberman talking points or why we do not have the economy moving with all
the debt spending. If you were ever a lawyer, you were fired for
laziness.



You're an idiot. I'm talking to you.

So? What was the reason your were fired?

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On 25/04/2010 5:38 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:46:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:05:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


i'm a scientist. i go with evidence

the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since obama took office.
teh FACT is we are no longer losing more jobs than we're creating. the
FACT is the economy is growing

those are FACTS. i dont care what rush tells you to believe.




You have to be one ****ty scientist! You state you go with facts and your
can not state a factual fact in your argument. Show me where unemployment
had gone down .0000001% since Obama took office. I will even give your the
link to the public data graph to start with.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...t+rate+grap h

ROFLMOA!!! it's obvious you have NO idea what you're talking about!
the official statement of unemployment is HE

http://www.bls.gov/ the US bureau of labor statistics

unemployment reached its peak at 10.7%. it's now 9.7%. a 1% drop in
10% unemployment is TEN PERCENT

you are SUCH an IDIOT!!

For the 1%, take a look at the long term unemployed numbers now on a
record high since been record since 1963 or something, the ones
unemployed for more than 6 months not counted in the 9.7%.

And if you remove government hiring, it was again a negative month.

Read the fine print. 9.7% is polishing turds.
--
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On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career,
I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30%
(or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed
in the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it,
wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it
were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a
debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not
have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find
out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife
and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or
another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the
future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid
decisions you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do
the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's
problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush
overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more
than opening up a 2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

--
Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for
the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting
spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest.
Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from
TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own
60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get all our money
back when GM goes public again. That would take a capitalization of $50
billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that much when they were
successful. And 80% would still not return the $80 billion or so we took
off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back
every bit of money we lent them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus
money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can demand back all the money and
a penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a couple million here, a couple
million there on some of the asinine research the government is funding
these days. We can not afford some of these items. Why are we funding
the arts through the Federal government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal
government function. Lot of cutting with out cutting vital programs to
the poor. Cut back on the Education Bureau. Was not even a federal
deptpartment until 1974. Now it controls most money for education in the
USA. And only charges a 20-25% handling fee for sending the money back
to the states with strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK
cut the overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about
reducing government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and
give incentives to work.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html



You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from the
GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you.

Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out of
work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me.

Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school,
too bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat.

Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.


--
Nom=de=Plume


You are completely loony. Answer the question that I posed to BP. Not some
asinine talking points. Where the hell we the people going to make a profit
on GM? When it goes public? What would the capitalization have to be fore
use to break even. I did not say kill education. I said kill the US Dept
of Education. Killing it would instantly give a 20% raise in money
available to local schools. We could get rid of a lot of asinine rules.
Rules that have nothing to do with educating the children. Just make a law
that all schools have to be funded equally per student in a state. They
have to teach the 3 R's. You a fail to have a decent graduation rate, the
teachers and administrators are fired. Easy. The kids do not show up for
class, they are taken off the rolls and banned from them and their families
receiving welfare. Ever. You fail to get at least a GED, no public
assistance. Where is there a Federal responsibility to fund the arts? Why
should the San Francisco opera get Federal money? Same for a symphony in
Houston or Fargo?

Agreed, agreed, agreed. Government needs to get back to basics.

But would agree to replace the entire federal education department of
anything with a simple law stating the states need to provide a minim
K12 education. They can collect and do the taxes. Get the feds out of
porking to reduce corruption.

As for art...pure pork. Whack...

I wish I could find that poster sized chart that had all the US
governemtn departments on it. It had each department and it's spending
and 100's if not a 1000 departments in it. All the squares were sized
to spending. Massive amount of legacy pork from years gone by and
duplications.

Lots of room to cut pork and not affect 99% of us.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:37:06 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2010 5:38 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:46:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



unemployment reached its peak at 10.7%. it's now 9.7%. a 1% drop in
10% unemployment is TEN PERCENT

you are SUCH an IDIOT!!

For the 1%, take a look at the long term unemployed numbers now on a
record high since been record since 1963 or something, the ones
unemployed for more than 6 months not counted in the 9.7%.

so you admit unemployment is coming down under obama? thanks. i
already knew that

and long term unemployment? those are the folks who are still looking
for work and havent given up.

why havent they given up? because obama's economic policies have kept
them in the searching mode, vs giving up.

thanks. i already knew that. in fact, i predicted unemployment may
start to rise as those who've actually given up re-enter the search
mode, looking for work

thanks to obama's policies.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:52:21 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Agreed, agreed, agreed. Government needs to get back to basics.

But would agree to replace the entire federal education department of
anything with a simple law stating the states need to provide a minim
K12 education. They can collect and do the taxes. Get the feds out of
porking to reduce corruption.

As for art...pure pork. Whack...


it's funny...the nations that produce the best test scores...have,
just like socialized medicine, a national education policy that
minimizes local involvement

that's what we need for the US.

oh...and by the by...most countries have 'socialized' education...

where's the right wing bitching about THAT?

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On 25/04/2010 11:42 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts


Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is
good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent
a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we
are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record
unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in
inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the
last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased
and not as smart as Rush.



This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts"
aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving
again. Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the unemployment
situation several times. Re-read the posts.

Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If your are going to answer for BP, at least do it coherently. Not some
Olberman talking points or why we do not have the economy moving with all
the debt spending. If you were ever a lawyer, you were fired for
laziness.



You're an idiot. I'm talking to you.

We won't talk to you if you don't talk to us.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On 25/04/2010 3:36 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:17:49 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:46:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

http://www.bls.gov/ the US bureau of labor statistics

unemployment reached its peak at 10.7%. it's now 9.7%. a 1% drop in
10% unemployment is TEN PERCENT

you are SUCH an IDIOT!!



Me an idiot? You are frigging immensely stupid. You said Obama had reduced
unemployment 10% since he came in to office. Let me show you your quote
"the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since Obama took office.
"
It dropped 10% from the highest it was since he came in to office and it may
just be a small perturbation from the census worker hiring. He pushed for
the stimulus to keep unemployment under 8%. IT went from 10.7 to 9.7% last
month. He has gone up since he took over office. Gone up lots. In Feb.
2008 was 5.2%.

guess being right wing prevents you from reading.

unemployment due to bush's policy, reached a high of 10.7%. it's now,
due to obama's policies, 9.7. that's about 10%

whatsamatter? don't they teach math in right wing remedial schools?

What am I missing? 10% - 9.7% = 1%. Not 10%.

Trouble with you brain farts is you are mostly wrong, and never admit it.

..... hahahaha...

And lets take a look at a real chart:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Econ...spx?Symbol=USD

When Obama took office it was about 6.9% to 7.7%. Funny how it peeked
10 months after Bush left office.

Take your bull**** elsewhere.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:29:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2010 3:36 PM, bpuharic wrote:


unemployment due to bush's policy, reached a high of 10.7%. it's now,
due to obama's policies, 9.7. that's about 10%

whatsamatter? don't they teach math in right wing remedial schools?

What am I missing? 10% - 9.7% = 1%. Not 10%.

hey genius. whatsamatter? dont they teach math at right wing mental
institutions?

1/10 is 10%

hell. you cant even do simple math.


Trouble with you brain farts is you are mostly wrong, and never admit it.

.... hahahaha...

And lets take a look at a real chart:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Econ...spx?Symbol=USD

When Obama took office it was about 6.9% to 7.7%. Funny how it peeked
10 months after Bush left office.

yep. we have...or had...a 14 trillion dollar economy. it took a long
time for bush's disaster to be rescued by obama


Take your bull**** elsewhere.

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On 25/04/2010 5:04 PM, bpuharic wrote:

For the 1%, take a look at the long term unemployed numbers now on a
record high since been record since 1963 or something, the ones
unemployed for more than 6 months not counted in the 9.7%.

so you admit unemployment is coming down under obama? thanks. i
already knew that

Nope:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Econ...spx?Symbol=USD

But does make the case that the 2006 democrat congress royally screwed
up with it's cheap easy artificially low debt money management. Bush
did pretty good until those democrat easy debt congress types messed up
pretty big time.

And the dip so far is nothing more than people rolling off of
unemployment benefits.

Just more bpuharic / Obama BS...

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:39:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2010 5:04 PM, bpuharic wrote:

For the 1%, take a look at the long term unemployed numbers now on a
record high since been record since 1963 or something, the ones
unemployed for more than 6 months not counted in the 9.7%.

so you admit unemployment is coming down under obama? thanks. i
already knew that

Nope:

guess you missed the BLS stats....unemployment is down 10% under
obama...

but, then, rush hasn't told you this yet. kind of like the n.korean
dear leader telling his subjects about what to believe


http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Econ...spx?Symbol=USD

But does make the case that the 2006 democrat congress royally screwed
up with it's cheap easy artificially low debt money management.

guess he doesnt know the fed, not congress, is responsible for setting
interest rates, and the money supply

oh well. he's right wing. not bright. not informed....but what he
lacks in quality he makes up for in quantity.

Bush
did pretty good until those democrat easy debt congress types messed up
pretty big time.

and the biggest spender in history was bush....even before the 2006
congress.

but he's rich. and white. so he's blameless


And the dip so far is nothing more than people rolling off of
unemployment benefits.

except that the direction is the other way. people who've gone OFF the
job search are coming back into the market as unemployment drops

you really are an economic cripple, aren't you?

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"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/25/10 5:11 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
...
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to
the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts


Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money
is good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people,
spent a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education.
Explain
how we are getting more jobs, when California and others reached
record
unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are
in
inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from
the
last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased
and not as smart as Rush.



This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts"
aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving
again. Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the
unemployment situation several times. Re-read the posts.

Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If your are going to answer for BP, at least do it coherently. Not
some
Olberman talking points or why we do not have the economy moving with
all
the debt spending. If you were ever a lawyer, you were fired for
laziness.



You're an idiot. I'm talking to you.

--
Nom=de=Plume


If I am an idiot, I appear brillian compared to you.




You are only brilliant in comparison to loogy and justhateaturd. In
comparison to someone of ordinary, average intelligence, you are as dumb
as a shoe.



You are so biased, your opinions do not count.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:17:49 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:46:53 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

http://www.bls.gov/ the US bureau of labor statistics

unemployment reached its peak at 10.7%. it's now 9.7%. a 1% drop in
10% unemployment is TEN PERCENT

you are SUCH an IDIOT!!



Me an idiot? You are frigging immensely stupid. You said Obama had
reduced
unemployment 10% since he came in to office. Let me show you your quote
"the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since Obama took office.
"
It dropped 10% from the highest it was since he came in to office and it
may
just be a small perturbation from the census worker hiring. He pushed for
the stimulus to keep unemployment under 8%. IT went from 10.7 to 9.7%
last
month. He has gone up since he took over office. Gone up lots. In Feb.
2008 was 5.2%.

guess being right wing prevents you from reading.

unemployment due to bush's policy, reached a high of 10.7%. it's now,
due to obama's policies, 9.7. that's about 10%

whatsamatter? don't they teach math in right wing remedial schools?



Show us a link where unemployment was 10% when Bush left office. With real
government numbers.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 25/04/2010 5:04 PM, bpuharic wrote:

For the 1%, take a look at the long term unemployed numbers now on a
record high since been record since 1963 or something, the ones
unemployed for more than 6 months not counted in the 9.7%.

so you admit unemployment is coming down under obama? thanks. i
already knew that

Nope:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Econ...spx?Symbol=USD

But does make the case that the 2006 democrat congress royally screwed up
with it's cheap easy artificially low debt money management. Bush did
pretty good until those democrat easy debt congress types messed up pretty
big time.

And the dip so far is nothing more than people rolling off of unemployment
benefits.

Just more bpuharic / Obama BS...

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

The dip is probably real. Those thousands hired temporarily for the CENSUS.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:39:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2010 5:04 PM, bpuharic wrote:

For the 1%, take a look at the long term unemployed numbers now on a
record high since been record since 1963 or something, the ones
unemployed for more than 6 months not counted in the 9.7%.

so you admit unemployment is coming down under obama? thanks. i
already knew that

Nope:

guess you missed the BLS stats....unemployment is down 10% under
obama...

but, then, rush hasn't told you this yet. kind of like the n.korean
dear leader telling his subjects about what to believe


http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Econ...spx?Symbol=USD

But does make the case that the 2006 democrat congress royally screwed
up with it's cheap easy artificially low debt money management.

guess he doesnt know the fed, not congress, is responsible for setting
interest rates, and the money supply

oh well. he's right wing. not bright. not informed....but what he
lacks in quality he makes up for in quantity.

Bush
did pretty good until those democrat easy debt congress types messed up
pretty big time.

and the biggest spender in history was bush....even before the 2006
congress.

but he's rich. and white. so he's blameless


And the dip so far is nothing more than people rolling off of
unemployment benefits.

except that the direction is the other way. people who've gone OFF the
job search are coming back into the market as unemployment drops

you really are an economic cripple, aren't you?


Down 1% from the nearly 11% it rose to under Obama. He is responsible for 5
points of gain. Happened on his watch.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:14:55 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:17:49 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

guess being right wing prevents you from reading.

unemployment due to bush's policy, reached a high of 10.7%. it's now,
due to obama's policies, 9.7. that's about 10%

whatsamatter? don't they teach math in right wing remedial schools?



Show us a link where unemployment was 10% when Bush left office. With real
government numbers.

show me a link that says bush had nothing to do with the current
economic crisis.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:18:37 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:39:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


you really are an economic cripple, aren't you?


Down 1% from the nearly 11% it rose to under Obama. He is responsible for 5
points of gain. Happened on his watch.

which is like blaming lincoln for the civil war.