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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/04/2010 5:38 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message m... On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Is *that* a serious question? Oh wait, it's a rhetorical question. I get it. So how is you Obama goose stepping going? -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. "you Obama"? No. Me em. You stupid. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a 2nd front in the war. Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class. Nice slam on Bush though... -- Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest. Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own 60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get all our money back when GM goes public again. That would take a capitalization of $50 billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that much when they were successful. And 80% would still not return the $80 billion or so we took off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back every bit of money we lent them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can demand back all the money and a penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a couple million here, a couple million there on some of the asinine research the government is funding these days. We can not afford some of these items. Why are we funding the arts through the Federal government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal government function. Lot of cutting with out cutting vital programs to the poor. Cut back on the Education Bureau. Was not even a federal deptpartment until 1974. Now it controls most money for education in the USA. And only charges a 20-25% handling fee for sending the money back to the states with strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK cut the overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about reducing government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and give incentives to work. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from the GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you. Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out of work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me. Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school, too bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat. Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph. The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults, they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards. Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. Fortunately, you're not part of our society. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record unemployment this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased and not as smart as Rush. This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts" aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving again. Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the unemployment situation several times. Re-read the posts. Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
... On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, wrote: Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy Just learn what VAT means. It is coming. i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something you, however, can't It would work here, but it would have to be implemented very slowly, otherwise the disruption would be catastrophic to the economy. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"A.Boater" wrote in message
... OK, pussy boy. Quit bitching, man up, and send in the money you owe. I've got a boat and I can afford the gas. My life (and fun) won't end because I pay my share. Your's won't either. Man up, pussy boy. Hahahaha... not too likely. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:40:28 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "hk" wrote in message om... On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a 2nd front in the war. Vetoed two spending bills is the problem? What do you think that tax giveaway to the wealthy and the *two* wars did, bring money into the federal coffers? Those wars were both of choice. Afganistan is just a Vietnam redux. Years of ****ing money down a rathole for no gain and a lot of dead and injured. The Russians taught us nothing? |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:16 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:42:33 -0600, wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? actually they're protecting jobs. to the right, that's unforgiveable...protecting the middle class. we should only protect the rich Only if you are in denialism. Corrupt auto jobs were lost a long time ago. While GM was getting bailouts for it's inept business model, other companies were laying off as GM was producing subsidized vehicles. In 2009 GM recieved over $60,000 per vehicle it made to stay in business. What Obamanites don't want to admit is by keeping GM alive, how many Toyota, Ford, Honda and others were laid off? How many lost their jobs because of people worried about pending tax hikes to fund this Obamanation? You complain about "rich". Well how come Obama hasn't cahrged on single executive, accountant or anyone with the GM fraud? Even though a court has rules GM mistated financials like Enron and SOX laws exist, Obama isn't charging anyone. Going after Goldman, just PR to look like he is doing something. But as per usual, just a big mouth on a soap box selling more debt-spend. and the biggest spender in history was george bush Right about now that shifts to Obama. Certainly by the end of the year Obama will have racked more debt that Bush. In fact, by the end of 2010 Obama will hold the two top debtor years in American history, 2009 and 2010. You're overtaking Froggy in the "Insane Poster of 2010" race for the uncured. Froggy better stop ****in' around on that boat and get back to his regularly scheduled lunacy or you'll leave him in your very small wake. |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:08:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:54:00 -0600, wrote: Don't worry, they will tax the hell out of your grandchildren for the retirement obligations, like they do in UK and Canada. and if the middle class today was homeless, how would that work out for their kids? Might be better to say fewer middle class exist today. If you are homeless and used to have one, then you dropped out of middle class. ROFLMAO!!! so now he engages in wordplay...if you impoverish 25% of americans...throw them and their kids in the street we have no problem because they're no longer middle class HAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!! and, yes, this involves the rich. the right, however, just ignores that and blames it all on the middle class You just like blaming others. The rich didn't make the stupid take out loans they could not afford the rich created 62 TRILLION DOLLARS in collateralized debt oblgiations they KNEW were toxic and sold them to each other...THEN when the bill came due they ran to the middle class and told US to pay the bill but you? they're rich so it's OUR FAULT typical right wing HATRED of the middle class. As China grows, the US will shrink economicially, that is in fact what we are seeing. I figure it will be less than 10 years and the Chinese economy will be larger, and could happen sooner. for 1000 years china's econmy was the largest in the world. it would be unusal if they didn't regain that position, with 1.5 Billion people...5X what we have Yep. But will make many Americans like you sour as your wealth diminishes. you're an economic cripple. if productivity increases we can ALL grow in income. if we have responsible economic polices, instead of giving ALL our money to the rich we can ALL have a better life but you? you want 25% unemployment. toss the middle class into the street AFTER they pay the bills of the rich because the rich are gods. Bankruptcy laws shoudl be tight. Letting liberals easily welsh and create defunct uncontrolled debt is what got us into this depression. ?? first you say congress decided debt was good then when it's pointed out this is wrong you say congress was good for tightenin rules.... do you read what you write? I have always said congress controls the money supply. President does not operate in a vaccum here. actually the fed controls the money supply. that's it's job you're an economic cripple once again the right wing wants to blame the middle class They voted for cheap easy liberal debt and sold America cheap well, no they didn't. they didnt vote for CDO's of 62 TRILLION dollars. they didnt vote for economic collapse. once again teh right blames the middle class instead of wall street. Yes they did. Their representatives tehy sent to DC did just that. well no. since the right preached the religion of unregulated capitalism, the rich folks, after they PAID for the politicians to deregulate them, took advantage of the situation you keep ignoring 62 TRILLION in CDO's. you just ignore that. why? because the RICH did that. but the middle class, you say, is to blame for EVERYTHING. Most people pre-depression were middle class. Not sure what the current numbers are, but bet the majority still is. that's correct because obama's spending stabilized the economy. you're an economic cripple and in 2003 congress and the white house were controlled by the conservative free market fanatics how's that work out? It started with the peanut farmer Carter and later Clinton that didn't want a repeat of 1981 interest rates. Cheap easy debt. and deregulatd financial markets. 30 y ears of right wing free market religoius dogma and reagan didnt face the prospect of economic collapse. you simply are unaware of current economic issues. Yes he did. But he stopped it from going into a depression by leaving more money in working taxpayers wallets. It worked too as it addressed the issue head on. actually he didn't. he turned economic policy over to paul volker...the guy who obama uses today...and volker stalibilzed the economy reagan left money in the wallets of the rich. he broke labor unions, and gutted worker protection. he did NOTHING for the middle class. well no. sometimes debt is needed. ever hear of ww2? you're an economic cripple Tell that to my accountant. He say I should retire but I don't think I am old enough. ROFLMAO!!! what does this have to do with debt?? you're an economic cripple. Think since 2007 and the end of 2010 the US national debt will go from $9 to 14.5 trillion. $5.5 trillion increase in just 3 years. And no abatement in sight because Obama and democriters haven't done **** to stop it. which is lower, as a % of our GDP, than we faced in ww2. Going to issue war bonds now? LOL. The current debt is ponzi debt, US government lending to itself on the currency account. Inflationary. Can't last, something is going to give. tell it to roosevelt. Debt to GDP maters little, it is your ability to pay the debt. ability to pay debt? measured by GDP you're an economic cripple And right now the USA has no functional ability to pay its debt as it is in big time structural deficit sure it does. once people go back to work we can pay down debt you? you'd toss 25% of people into the streets to protect the rich. you're an economic crippse. I would put you in touch with my tax accountant but I don't think 1) you could afford him and 2) you don't need one. yeah. i, like 100,000,000 others in my position, got raped by the rich |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:17:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich. you just h ate the middle class |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:05:39 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is good. he's spending the money to keep spending up in the absence of consumer spending. as the rich raped the middle class like a bunch of catholic priests at a boy's school, the MC lost the ability to keep its head above water. so obama had to step in, stabilized the financial sector and provide for 1.5M jobs. all to correct 30 years of rabid right wing free market capitalism Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record unemployment this last quarter. i'm a scientist. i go with evidence the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since obama took office. teh FACT is we are no longer losing more jobs than we're creating. the FACT is the economy is growing those are FACTS. i dont care what rush tells you to believe. Show how many foreclosed houses are in inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased and not as smart as Rush. rush is a blow hard drug addict. and the people who believe him are dumber than he is. |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:24:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, wrote: i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something you, however, can't Ever wonder why so very few Europeans, Canadians and UK people own boats? You are about to find out. Because lets for arguments sake say it is a even 5%. I suspect they will do 6 or 7, but say 5%. ever wonder why americans work 200 hours more than any of them? why we dont have vacation? why we didn't have healthcare? Your purchasing power just went down 5%. Takes $1.05 to buy $1.00 of stuff. So 1/20th of your income is gone from your use. Litterally a first class boat in a average working career. Even auto takes a hit, as you have 5% less to spend on the auto. In the end, 5% less autos will be sold. gee. my company gave no raises last year. probably none this year. the rich did fine. And your great grandchildren not yet born will curse your debt mongering liberal ass all to hell. and how would they feel if they were homeless and in the streets like YOU advocate? |
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On 24/04/2010 4:38 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:08:43 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:54:00 -0600, wrote: Don't worry, they will tax the hell out of your grandchildren for the retirement obligations, like they do in UK and Canada. and if the middle class today was homeless, how would that work out for their kids? Might be better to say fewer middle class exist today. If you are homeless and used to have one, then you dropped out of middle class. ROFLMAO!!! so now he engages in wordplay...if you impoverish 25% of americans...throw them and their kids in the street we have no problem because they're no longer middle class HAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!! and, yes, this involves the rich. the right, however, just ignores that and blames it all on the middle class You just like blaming others. The rich didn't make the stupid take out loans they could not afford the rich created 62 TRILLION DOLLARS in collateralized debt oblgiations they KNEW were toxic and sold them to each other...THEN when the bill came due they ran to the middle class and told US to pay the bill but you? they're rich so it's OUR FAULT typical right wing HATRED of the middle class. As China grows, the US will shrink economicially, that is in fact what we are seeing. I figure it will be less than 10 years and the Chinese economy will be larger, and could happen sooner. for 1000 years china's econmy was the largest in the world. it would be unusal if they didn't regain that position, with 1.5 Billion people...5X what we have Yep. But will make many Americans like you sour as your wealth diminishes. you're an economic cripple. if productivity increases we can ALL grow in income. if we have responsible economic polices, instead of giving ALL our money to the rich we can ALL have a better life but you? you want 25% unemployment. toss the middle class into the street AFTER they pay the bills of the rich because the rich are gods. Bankruptcy laws shoudl be tight. Letting liberals easily welsh and create defunct uncontrolled debt is what got us into this depression. ?? first you say congress decided debt was good then when it's pointed out this is wrong you say congress was good for tightenin rules.... do you read what you write? I have always said congress controls the money supply. President does not operate in a vaccum here. actually the fed controls the money supply. that's it's job you're an economic cripple once again the right wing wants to blame the middle class They voted for cheap easy liberal debt and sold America cheap well, no they didn't. they didnt vote for CDO's of 62 TRILLION dollars. they didnt vote for economic collapse. once again teh right blames the middle class instead of wall street. Yes they did. Their representatives tehy sent to DC did just that. well no. since the right preached the religion of unregulated capitalism, the rich folks, after they PAID for the politicians to deregulate them, took advantage of the situation you keep ignoring 62 TRILLION in CDO's. you just ignore that. why? because the RICH did that. but the middle class, you say, is to blame for EVERYTHING. Most people pre-depression were middle class. Not sure what the current numbers are, but bet the majority still is. that's correct because obama's spending stabilized the economy. you're an economic cripple and in 2003 congress and the white house were controlled by the conservative free market fanatics how's that work out? It started with the peanut farmer Carter and later Clinton that didn't want a repeat of 1981 interest rates. Cheap easy debt. and deregulatd financial markets. 30 y ears of right wing free market religoius dogma and reagan didnt face the prospect of economic collapse. you simply are unaware of current economic issues. Yes he did. But he stopped it from going into a depression by leaving more money in working taxpayers wallets. It worked too as it addressed the issue head on. actually he didn't. he turned economic policy over to paul volker...the guy who obama uses today...and volker stalibilzed the economy reagan left money in the wallets of the rich. he broke labor unions, and gutted worker protection. he did NOTHING for the middle class. well no. sometimes debt is needed. ever hear of ww2? you're an economic cripple Tell that to my accountant. He say I should retire but I don't think I am old enough. ROFLMAO!!! what does this have to do with debt?? you're an economic cripple. Think since 2007 and the end of 2010 the US national debt will go from $9 to 14.5 trillion. $5.5 trillion increase in just 3 years. And no abatement in sight because Obama and democriters haven't done **** to stop it. which is lower, as a % of our GDP, than we faced in ww2. Going to issue war bonds now? LOL. The current debt is ponzi debt, US government lending to itself on the currency account. Inflationary. Can't last, something is going to give. tell it to roosevelt. Debt to GDP maters little, it is your ability to pay the debt. ability to pay debt? measured by GDP you're an economic cripple And right now the USA has no functional ability to pay its debt as it is in big time structural deficit sure it does. once people go back to work we can pay down debt you? you'd toss 25% of people into the streets to protect the rich. Nope, I didn't. They did it to themselves. I didn't force them to ride the debt to a point they could not afford what they did. you're an economic crippse. I would put you in touch with my tax accountant but I don't think 1) you could afford him and 2) you don't need one. yeah. i, like 100,000,000 others in my position, got raped by the rich Ah, so the truth sneaks out. Loose your home to debt? Get a car repo'ed? Didn't pay your bills? Got the axe at work? Divorced over money? No need to be embarased, many a people did and most of the rest are struggling. The liberalism debt trap. Where you don't *conserve cash in good times* for the bad times. And debt is viewed as a right not a tool. The old conservative money management philosophy, never live on debt beyond your means, maintain a positive cash flow with low debt means nothing to many. Hey, Obama only bails out his insider buddies, not even Obama has enough money to bail out every dysfunctional debtors in the land. Not any different with Canadian politicians either. And everyone elses fault but yours. Funny how many today we are getting the same leasons as people did in 1929-1939. History repeats. Liberalized banking in 1914 gets 1929. Liberalized banking by Carter and Clinton gets us 2008-20xx. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph. The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults, they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards. Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. Fortunately, you're not part of our society. Yep. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 24/04/2010 4:39 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:17:14 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich. you just h ate the middle class Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. It isn't attracted to those that money managements them. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 24/04/2010 4:43 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:05:39 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is good. he's spending the money to keep spending up in the absence of consumer spending. as the rich raped the middle class like a bunch of catholic priests at a boy's school, the MC lost the ability to keep its head above water. so obama had to step in, stabilized the financial sector and provide for 1.5M jobs. He is borrowing money to spend and people are seeing very little of it. Most is going to corrupt businesses and banks. But if he took less of peoples money and left it with the earners, they would have more to spend. But now threatened with tax increases, lower wages, more debt the consumer still can't spend more of what they don't have. But you have more debt. Banks? Why not let them fail and just bailout the insured accounts? Because that is all that was needed. Yet they bailed out the bank because the super rich had far more on deposit than the insured amounts. So Bush and Obama sold out middle class. And you vote Obama...what a sucker. all to correct 30 years of rabid right wing free market capitalism Funny, you should then go to Cuba or Venezuela where capitalism is actively discouraged. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record unemployment this last quarter. i'm a scientist. i go with evidence Probably not a good one, your rationality sucks. the FACT is unemployment has dropped by 10% since obama took office. teh FACT is we are no longer losing more jobs than we're creating. the FACT is the economy is growing those are FACTS. i dont care what rush tells you to believe. Yep, people dropping out of the workforce isn't a number Obama should be proud of. People unemployed over 6 months and not in unemployment is at a record high for this depression. Show how many foreclosed houses are in inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the last sale. Stop parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased and not as smart as Rush. rush is a blow hard drug addict. and the people who believe him are dumber than he is. Can't say I have listened to Rush much but from what I hear he has a head on his shoulders and worth the listen. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 11:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message m... On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote: Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I doubt anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right? After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels, bailing out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right? http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/ The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it gets everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any signifigant amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us. Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in the USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada. Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying teabaggers...the bull**** news network. What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a huge increase in revenue from the sheeples? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were. Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to work. The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush recession. Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth. Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt monger. US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping, guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT. Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing. I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or another. If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions you've made in live. If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a 2nd front in the war. Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class. Nice slam on Bush though... -- Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest. Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own 60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get all our money back when GM goes public again. That would take a capitalization of $50 billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that much when they were successful. And 80% would still not return the $80 billion or so we took off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back every bit of money we lent them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can demand back all the money and a penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a couple million here, a couple million there on some of the asinine research the government is funding these days. We can not afford some of these items. Why are we funding the arts through the Federal government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal government function. Lot of cutting with out cutting vital programs to the poor. Cut back on the Education Bureau. Was not even a federal deptpartment until 1974. Now it controls most money for education in the USA. And only charges a 20-25% handling fee for sending the money back to the states with strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK cut the overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about reducing government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and give incentives to work. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from the GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you. Wiping out $177 billion in capital, and losing $4.8 billion or so recently, you call that progress? Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out of work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me. Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement. Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are lined with rich that would turn on Obama. So what does Obama do? Shoot the mouth off, make good PR he is control while all along some small piddly fine will be sent to Goldman to look good. Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school, too bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat. Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested. In the end, it will be pay as you go. With or without Rep/Dem -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 24/04/2010 4:45 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:24:00 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, wrote: i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something you, however, can't Ever wonder why so very few Europeans, Canadians and UK people own boats? You are about to find out. Because lets for arguments sake say it is a even 5%. I suspect they will do 6 or 7, but say 5%. ever wonder why americans work 200 hours more than any of them? why we dont have vacation? why we didn't have healthcare? Funny. When I was in the UK I said lets go London for the weekend (from Aberdeen) and the parents of the lady I was a courting on this dropped their jaws. That was a major vacation to them and a weekend jaunt for me. Depends on the life you want, at least in America you have a choice. They don't. Yes, I lived there too for awhile. I worked side by side with their people. Did Stavanger Norway too. What an eye opener. Your purchasing power just went down 5%. Takes $1.05 to buy $1.00 of stuff. So 1/20th of your income is gone from your use. Litterally a first class boat in a average working career. Even auto takes a hit, as you have 5% less to spend on the auto. In the end, 5% less autos will be sold. gee. my company gave no raises last year. probably none this year. the rich did fine. Will not be any for years to come, Obama is going to raise their taxes and it will indirectly come from your wages. Tax the company more and they will pay less. It is all interdependant. Want higher wages there are only two ways. Get a skill that has elasticity in wages or get a good economy that needs people. All people thrive best when unemployment is so low employers have to treat employees right. And your great grandchildren not yet born will curse your debt mongering liberal ass all to hell. and how would they feel if they were homeless and in the streets like YOU advocate? They might be, but hopefully some old values of depending on ones self and fiscal conservatism will preval to prevent that. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:38:36 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/04/2010 4:39 AM, bpuharic wrote: Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich. you just h ate the middle class Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. = more right wing fairy tale bull****. you really believe this stuff, dont you? |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 23/04/2010 11:44 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, wrote: Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy Just learn what VAT means. It is coming. i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something you, however, can't It would work here, but it would have to be implemented very slowly, otherwise the disruption would be catastrophic to the economy. At the rate DC is doing debt, it will be abrupt. You are just sore as you now see it is coming around your way. Did you really think debt-spend bailouts and big governemtn out of control spending was free? -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement. Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are lined with rich that would turn on Obama. ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible? that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich? he's an economic cripple |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:13:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/04/2010 4:45 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:24:00 -0600, wrote: ever wonder why americans work 200 hours more than any of them? why we dont have vacation? why we didn't have healthcare? Funny. When I was in the UK I said lets go London for the weekend (from Aberdeen) and the parents of the lady I was a courting on this dropped their jaws. That was a major vacation to them and a weekend jaunt for me. he's so cute. everything is about him. he leads a charmed life. la la la. the fact 100,000,000 middle class wage earners got screwed? he simply doesn't care. it didnt affect him. he's loaded. so throw the *******s and their kids in the street... Depends on the life you want, at least in America you have a choice. well no. i want to take august off. know any US companies that'll let me do that? more right wing bull**** gee. my company gave no raises last year. probably none this year. the rich did fine. Will not be any for years to come, Obama is going to raise their taxes and it will indirectly come from your wages. proof? well. none. he IS gonna raise taxes on the rich. but guess who made the most money in the last 10 year, while the middle class got NO raises at all? but to him? he'll lie about obama. obama's a darkie, you see. and it's immoral for a darkie to have power. he LOVES the rich frat boy bush. bush stole like a thief. he killed 4400 US soldiers and poured 1 trillion into a wasted war but he is RICH. and he's WHITE. so he's not the problem Tax the company more and they will pay less. It is all interdependant. Want higher wages there are only two ways. Get a skill that has elasticity in wages or get a good economy that needs people. All people thrive best when unemployment is so low employers have to treat employees right. gee. i guess you believe in buy low and sell high, too, huh? what do you suggest? a nation of brain surgeons? any MORE right wing cliche bull**** you want to spout, or have you shot your load? And your great grandchildren not yet born will curse your debt mongering liberal ass all to hell. and how would they feel if they were homeless and in the streets like YOU advocate? They might be, but hopefully some old values of depending on ones self and fiscal conservatism will preval to prevent that. yeah, the middle class tried that. gave the rich 30 years of unregulated capitalism how'd that work out? |
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On 24/04/2010 8:14 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:38:36 -0600, wrote: On 24/04/2010 4:39 AM, bpuharic wrote: Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich. you just h ate the middle class Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. = more right wing fairy tale bull****. you really believe this stuff, dont you? Yep. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On 4/24/10 12:02 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. = Yep. Would you ask a poor persoon how to manage your how to manage your assest? Neither would I. "Money is attracted to those that know how to management money." "Would you ask a poor persoon how to manage your how to manage your assest?" D'oh. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
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On 24/04/2010 8:34 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:13:14 -0600, wrote: On 24/04/2010 4:45 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:24:00 -0600, wrote: ever wonder why americans work 200 hours more than any of them? why we dont have vacation? why we didn't have healthcare? Funny. When I was in the UK I said lets go London for the weekend (from Aberdeen) and the parents of the lady I was a courting on this dropped their jaws. That was a major vacation to them and a weekend jaunt for me. he's so cute. everything is about him. he leads a charmed life. la la la. the fact 100,000,000 middle class wage earners got screwed? Ya so? And many of the dumb****s still will vote Obama is my mama. Isn't a problem I can fix. he simply doesn't care. it didnt affect him. he's loaded. so throw the *******s and their kids in the street... Nope, would rather see GM and the bankers take their losses, and more money in the middle class pocket books. This way they can spend and my ibusiness investments prosper. I always seek win-win as win-loose is for losers. Depends on the life you want, at least in America you have a choice. well no. i want to take august off. Then take it off. know any US companies that'll let me do that? Depends, learn some negotiating skills. more right wing bull**** At least life is simple for you. LMAO. gee. my company gave no raises last year. probably none this year. the rich did fine. Will not be any for years to come, Obama is going to raise their taxes and it will indirectly come from your wages. proof? Economics 101, take the course. he IS gonna raise taxes on the rich. but guess who made the most money in the last 10 year, while the middle class got NO raises at all? He is going to raise taxes on *everyone*. I will have the satisfaction it hurts you more than I. (Time for you to insert your paranioa victim loves company speil here). but to him? he'll lie about obama. obama's a darkie, you see. and it's immoral for a darkie to have power. Doesn't mater what color he is to me. A big mouth liar is a big mouth liar. And big mouth liars cause people to lose wealth. You should look at some of the posts I made about Bush and bank bailouts. he LOVES the rich frat boy bush. bush stole like a thief. he killed 4400 US soldiers and poured 1 trillion into a wasted war but he is RICH. and he's WHITE. so he's not the problem Funny, last I checked the congress and senate in a bipartizan vote told Bush to go get Obama, sorry, Osama Bin Ladden and the Taliban. Tax the company more and they will pay less. It is all interdependant. Want higher wages there are only two ways. Get a skill that has elasticity in wages or get a good economy that needs people. All people thrive best when unemployment is so low employers have to treat employees right. gee. i guess you believe in buy low and sell high, too, huh? Sure do try the buy low sell high, works for me. Guess you like the buy high and sell low so you can feel sorry for yourself. what do you suggest? a nation of brain surgeons? Then brain surgeions would be cheap. But not many would make it, so yea, it would be a good 6 digit salary for life and worth the effort. If Obama taxes more increasing your costs and lowering your net wages, just raise your rates to compensate. So it would be a good career choice. any MORE right wing cliche bull**** you want to spout, or have you shot your load? You should go off and sing, "Born to be a loser...". -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:02:55 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. = more right wing fairy tale bull****. you really believe this stuff, dont you? Yep. Would you ask a poor persoon how to manage your how to manage your assest? Neither would I. the right asked the best thieves on wall street to manage the economy. canuck believes they're gods |
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On 24/04/2010 11:13 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:02:55 -0400, wrote: In , says... Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. = more right wing fairy tale bull****. you really believe this stuff, dont you? Yep. Would you ask a poor persoon how to manage your how to manage your assest? Neither would I. the right asked the best thieves on wall street to manage the economy. canuck believes they're gods Not gods. Just recognize that you can't fight the NWO of corruption, so you anticipate it for profit. If you figure Obama is a statist, and I firmly believe he is, then big taxing government will ensue. Factor in the economic debt war, religious war, and a few other things, you try to stay one step ahead of the pack and profit. Like playing a game of chess. I got out of banks, loans, mortgage mutuals and the like between 2004 and 2007 as the writing was on the wall. Before the big wipeout. ;) Look at Obama, he is going after the middle class, not the ultra rich or corrupt. Hell, he represents the corrupt, hand picked for your consumption. He knows he can't tax them, even if he could it wouldn't fund him for long. He needs serious cash for his NWO fantasy. And that means screwing taxing right onto everyone. It is the motivation behind health care, revenue. Take Bilderberg group. Have to keep the anglo-American-European super rich happy club. These are the people who monitarily back your presidents and congress people. They get what they want because the public is gulliable. Obama puts on a good show, but in reality he is a puppet pawn in the game. Too spinless to come clean, after all he might end up like JFK. Nothing in DC has changed, just the big mouth behind the mic. Good liar. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:28:39 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/04/2010 8:34 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:13:14 -0600, wrote: he's so cute. everything is about him. he leads a charmed life. la la la. the fact 100,000,000 middle class wage earners got screwed? Ya so? And many of the dumb****s still will vote Obama is my mama. more hatred for the middle class bush killed 4400 US troops he spent a TRILLION on a useless war. the economy collapsed under bush but the right wing says vote for the right because they'll protect the rich. he simply doesn't care. it didnt affect him. he's loaded. so throw the *******s and their kids in the street... Nope, would rather see GM and the bankers take their losses, and more money in the middle class pocket books. This way they can spend and my ibusiness investments prosper. I always seek win-win as win-loose is for losers. notice he avoids the FACT this was tried in 29? in 1929 they let the banks fail result? 25% unemployment. that's a fact. but his view? **** 'em. protect the rich Depends on the life you want, at least in America you have a choice. well no. i want to take august off. Then take it off. ROFLMAO!!! you gonna call my boss and make the arrangements? HAHAHAHA!!! know any US companies that'll let me do that? Depends, learn some negotiating skills. i ask again: do you know of any companies that do this? dodging the question isn't an answer. surely if you're right, SOMEONE must be allowing their employees to do this. if i'm right then you're just pushing rightwing bull**** about how companies will do anything because it's a 'free market'. if YOU are right then US companies, as a rule, WILL allow their workers to take off when they want to. go ahead. tell us about 'em. tell us why US workers work more than any other workers in the world. Will not be any for years to come, Obama is going to raise their taxes and it will indirectly come from your wages. proof? Economics 101, take the course. again, proof? you saying it, no matter how many drugs you take, will not make it true. sorry he IS gonna raise taxes on the rich. but guess who made the most money in the last 10 year, while the middle class got NO raises at all? He is going to raise taxes on *everyone*. I will have the satisfaction it hurts you more than I. (Time for you to insert your paranioa victim loves company speil here). again, proof? he's actually going to LOWER taxes on the middle class...we know that because he already DID. he gave tax credits to families with children, for example but to him? he'll lie about obama. obama's a darkie, you see. and it's immoral for a darkie to have power. Doesn't mater what color he is to me. A big mouth liar is a big mouth liar. And big mouth liars cause people to lose wealth. You should look at some of the posts I made about Bush and bank bailouts. gee. havent seen any. havent seen a single post that indicates you realize what part bush played in today's economy. not one he LOVES the rich frat boy bush. bush stole like a thief. he killed 4400 US soldiers and poured 1 trillion into a wasted war but he is RICH. and he's WHITE. so he's not the problem Funny, last I checked the congress and senate in a bipartizan vote told Bush to go get Obama, sorry, Osama Bin Ladden and the Taliban. WTF?? hey genius...NO ONE thinks bin laden is in iraq NO ONE YOU IDIOT!! so WTF did we go into IRAQ for? bush killed 4400 troops there. spent a TRILLION there. for what? and you? you're such an idiot you dont know the difference between iraq and afghanistan. any MORE right wing cliche bull**** you want to spout, or have you shot your load? You should go off and sing, "Born to be a loser...". and you should sing 'i fought the law...and the law won'. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph. The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults, they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards. Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. Fortunately, you're not part of our society. Yep. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
"bpuharic" wrote in message
... On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement. Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are lined with rich that would turn on Obama. ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible? that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich? he's an economic cripple I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a business or law course. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/04/2010 11:44 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, wrote: Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy Just learn what VAT means. It is coming. i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something you, however, can't It would work here, but it would have to be implemented very slowly, otherwise the disruption would be catastrophic to the economy. At the rate DC is doing debt, it will be abrupt. You are just sore as you now see it is coming around your way. Did you really think debt-spend bailouts and big governemtn out of control spending was free? -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. You're just an idiot. Did I ever think otherwise? No. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:43:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/04/2010 11:13 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:02:55 -0400, wrote: Would you ask a poor persoon how to manage your how to manage your assest? Neither would I. the right asked the best thieves on wall street to manage the economy. canuck believes they're gods Not gods. Just recognize that you can't fight the NWO of corruption, so you anticipate it for profit. If you figure Obama is a statist, and I firmly believe he is gee. it's been 1 1/2 years. if he's a statist when's he gonna start? that's ANOTHER fact that treats your argument like a baby treats a diaper Like playing a game of chess. I got out of banks, loans, mortgage mutuals and the like between 2004 and 2007 as the writing was on the wall. Before the big wipeout. ;) everything is about him. 100,000,000 americans who got raped by wall street can go **** themselves. typical right wing view: let 'em eat cake Look at Obama, he is going after the middle class, not the ultra rich or corrupt cliche .. Hell, he represents the corrupt, hand picked for your consumption cliche .. He knows he can't tax them, even if he could it wouldn't fund him for long. cliche He needs serious cash for his NWO fantasy. And that means screwing taxing right onto everyone. It is the motivation behind health care, revenue. cliche not a SINGLE article of proof in ANY of those contentions. if obama's a statist, where's the PROOF? if he's gonna use medical funds for his NOW, why hasn't he raided medicare? no proof. none. not a single shred of proof in ANY of his tin foil hat right wing delusions. Take Bilderberg group. ROFLMAO!! the bilderberg group? christ you really ARE paranoid!! Obama puts on a good show, but in reality he is a puppet pawn in the game. Too spinless to come clean, after all he might end up like JFK. Nothing in DC has changed, just the big mouth behind the mic. Good liar. let's see...he just got universal healthcare for the middle class. yeah. looks like a puppet to me ROFLMAO!!! |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement. Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are lined with rich that would turn on Obama. ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible? that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich? he's an economic cripple I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a business or law course. everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single, coherent argument from his at all. it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves 'teabaggers'. pathetic. truly pathetic. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On 24/04/2010 11:49 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways? At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation, without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation, recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to be in. Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph. The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults, they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards. Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. Fortunately, you're not part of our society. Yep. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing. I have skin in the game. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Apr 24, 12:35*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 5:39 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: *wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote: On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote: The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't. So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting Bush run the government? This is a serious question: are you retarded? Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16 months? Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for Obama and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with benefits to do this. You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months? First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did. You're an idiot. Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they are liberal debtors and lowered the cost of debt too much. *Congress manages the money supply, look to democrat congress for who screwed up. You're an idiot. Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. *Blame Bush all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game. You're an idiot. I think I summed that up nicely. Sorry your brain didn't grasp the fundimentals. *But no one ever accused you of being rational. -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. "At least I have a brain. ..." -- Nom=de=Plume Which shows evidence of being dormant, inoperable, and unrepairable. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Apr 24, 12:43*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Nom=de=Plume We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. *And he has kicked up the spending 2-3x. for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the middle class? nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears. did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years. what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have seen their incomes triple. *They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the next 10 years/ *How is this all Bush II's fault? yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free market hole we've dug ourselves into. How about cutting spending to GM. peanuts Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is good. *Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a Trillion dollars. *Explain it, or go get an education. *Explain how we are getting more jobs, when California and others reached record unemployment this last quarter. *Show how many foreclosed houses are in inventory, and which areas are selling, and how much discount from the last sale. *Stop parroting Olberman, etc. *He is probably more biased and not as smart as Rush. This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts" aren't "excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving again. Feel free to believe otherwise. Already explained the unemployment situation several times. Re-read the posts. Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot. -- Nom=de=Plume And you D'Plume, are not average. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Apr 24, 12:52*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 23/04/2010 11:44 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: *wrote in message . .. On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, wrote: On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600, wrote: Think what you want. *I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout corruption. *I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. *But looks like Obama is just a bull****er. no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. *so you blame it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy Just learn what VAT means. *It is coming. i hope so. it works in europe. *we can learn something you, however, can't It would work here, but it would have to be implemented very slowly, otherwise the disruption would be catastrophic to the economy. At the rate DC is doing debt, it will be abrupt. *You are just sore as you now see it is coming around your way. *Did you really think debt-spend bailouts and big governemtn out of control spending was free? -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. You're just an idiot. Did I ever think otherwise? No. -- Nom=de=Plume The question is, D'Plume. Did you ever think? No. |
Boats and Obama/Democrat Tax grab
On Apr 24, 1:00*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement.. *Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. *First is Goldman did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real inside on Obamanomics corruption. *If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman goes public. *Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are lined with rich that would turn on Obama. ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible? that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich? he's an economic cripple I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a business or law course. everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single, coherent argument from his at all. it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves 'teabaggers'. pathetic. truly pathetic. Herr Krause writes nothing but left wing cliche's. I haven't seen a single, coherent argument from his at all. But it's obvious you approve of those. pathetic. truly pathetic. |
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