On 21/04/2010 4:21 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:50:53 -0600,
wrote:

On 20/04/2010 7:19 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Yessirree, boy, you got to hand it to the GOP. after the worst
meltdown in 80 years, and fresh from their meeting with the US chamber
of commerce and wall street CEO's to plan on how they're going to
fight regulation of the financial markets, the GOP is getting TOUGH!!
they're going to

Funny, you would think the GOP runs the government the way you talk..

ever hear of a filibuster? you aren't up on american politics. i'd
stay out of it if i were you; you might get hurt.

You fail civics? So you can filibuster but it stops nothing.

investigate the SEC for investigating goldman sachs....

Funny, SEC didn't investigate Obama's buddies at GM, Chrysler, Fannie,
Freddie etc. either.

how many investigations at once? and none of them, except fannie mae,
had an effect on the financial meltdown.

How about like Itally did wih the mafia, 300 at once.

But this government is selective, more like 1935 Germany. I wonder what
Goldman did to tick off Obama? After all, Goldman was doing just what
government wanted in the first place. Sounds like DC is flipant. Could
be that it has to do with this being an election year for some.

November 2010 is on their minds, this is a ruse to quel the discontent.
Chest puffing BS.

they're feelling sorry for the wall street giant that got billions of
public funds...so they're investigaing the cops:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

way to go!!

Hopefully a few honest types, GOP or not can get the real poop on all
this corruption debt-bailout BS. But it sure looks like a big
conspiracy to defraud the US taxpayers.

you mean because the GOP is now taking orders from wall street? of
course, they always have. that's why they met behind closed doors with
25 representatives of some of the biggest wall street hedge funds
recently

You mean like the Dems took orders from UAW and banks? It was a
democrat congress who created TARP and didn't see any dems complain when
it was misappropriated to corrupt auto.

Now you have Government Motors lobbiests donating government money to
senators and congress people to get elected. Slight conflict of
interest here, government paying for representations advertising. Too
bad you can't see what is wrong with that.

Democriters are at least as corrupt, perhaps more as trillions of debt
are being spent on buddies.

Perhaps a big trial. Hault them all out. Why stop at Goldman? Bring
in GM, Citi, BoA etc.

Start putting CEO, CFO and executives in jail for life. And not white
collar painted lies and golf tees. How about pounding rocks.

yep. it should be MUCH easier to pierce the corporate veil. the ruling
elite makes it too easy to escape responsibility

You want to put a dent into corporate corruption, you will need to start
by fixing governemnt corruption first. Pretty clear Obama is not going
to prosecut fellow Harvard types like Wagoner for misrepresentation of
GM financials.

oh, and any politicians included in voting for bailouts that have
mysteriously benefited from contributions, hang them for treason.

bailouts were necessary. unfortunately. but we dont have to let it
happen again

No they are not, that is a myth used on the weak minded.

And as any business person has been tought, bailouts so far are a sunk
cost. Always look forward on ROI. And bailouts have no ROI. Just
politicial grandstanding and appeasement of the corrupt.

--
Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government?

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:05:38 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/04/2010 4:21 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:50:53 -0600,
wrote:


ever hear of a filibuster? you aren't up on american politics. i'd
stay out of it if i were you; you might get hurt.

You fail civics? So you can filibuster but it stops nothing.

anybody believe that? anybody? bueller? bueller?

again you know zip about american politics.


investigate the SEC for investigating goldman sachs....

Funny, SEC didn't investigate Obama's buddies at GM, Chrysler, Fannie,
Freddie etc. either.

how many investigations at once? and none of them, except fannie mae,
had an effect on the financial meltdown.

How about like Itally did wih the mafia, 300 at once.

But this government is selective, more like 1935 Germany

more godwin's law hysteria

the rich white boy, bush, threw americans into prision without trial.

the darkie gives middle class people healthcare and the racist canuck
thinks he's a nazi

.. I wonder what
Goldman did to tick off Obama?

the same thing it did to 100,000,000 americans. it damn near
bankrupted us.

but they're rich. so you would gladly eat their ****


you mean because the GOP is now taking orders from wall street? of
course, they always have. that's why they met behind closed doors with
25 representatives of some of the biggest wall street hedge funds
recently

You mean like the Dems took orders from UAW and banks?

the UAW represents american workers

how many american workers earn a billion dollars like the CEO of
goldman sachs?

It was a
democrat congress who created TARP and didn't see any dems complain when
it was misappropriated to corrupt auto.

actually it was alan greenspan, henry paulson, etc. who recommended
it..and they worked for bush

remember paulson's famous edict that he wanted a trillion dollars to
spend ONLY as he saw fit?

typical rich white boy idea.


Now you have Government Motors lobbiests donating government money to
senators and congress people to get elected. Slight conflict of
interest here, government paying for representations advertising. Too
bad you can't see what is wrong with that.

and we have wall street meeting behind closed doors with the GOP to
tell 'em what to do.


Democriters are at least as corrupt, perhaps more as trillions of debt
are being spent on buddies.

i have no doubt the dems are corrupt. the american electoral system
leaves 'em no choice. but at least they've proposed to regulate wall
street instead of sucking their tits


yep. it should be MUCH easier to pierce the corporate veil. the ruling
elite makes it too easy to escape responsibility

You want to put a dent into corporate corruption, you will need to start
by fixing governemnt corruption first. Pretty clear Obama is not going
to prosecut fellow Harvard types like Wagoner for misrepresentation of
GM financials.

gee...more proof you dont know **** about US politics.

the SCOTUS...at least the conservatives...ruled that corporations
could give as much money as they wanted.

so conservatives have ruled that corporate america...not the
voters...run the US.



oh, and any politicians included in voting for bailouts that have
mysteriously benefited from contributions, hang them for treason.

bailouts were necessary. unfortunately. but we dont have to let it
happen again

No they are not, that is a myth used on the weak minded.

really?

ever hear of the great depression? that was YOUR solutoin.

how'd it work out?

On 4/21/10 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:05:38 -0600,
wrote:

I wonder what
Goldman did to tick off Obama?

Somebody had to be charged with something and they picked one with
record profits so they could easily pay the fine. In real life it was
really a German bank that got screwed in this "fraud" and I have heard
some people who are familiar with the facts that say Goldman may beat
this thing.
Obama can say he tried, Goldman can say they were vindicated and a lot
of lawyers will get a new yacht out of it. (the "boating content")
Isn't that the American way?


You guys are a trip. Hundreds, if not thousands, of wall streeters and
bankers and insurance execs should be rounded up, charged with fraud,
conspiracy, and operating a criminal enterprise, and tried.

--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:06:36 -0400, hk
wrote:

Hundreds, if not thousands, of wall streeters and
bankers and insurance execs should be rounded up, charged with fraud,
conspiracy, and operating a criminal enterprise, and tried.

It would be difficult to find charges that would stick unless you
overturned the constitution. The big outfits like Goldman spend
hundreds of millions every year on top notch legal talent to ensure
that they operate (barely) within the law. If you were able to get
convictions, substantial numbers of donors to your favorite political
party would find themselves in the gray bar hotel and that also seems
unlikely.

On 4/21/10 1:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:06:36 -0400,
wrote:

Hundreds, if not thousands, of wall streeters and
bankers and insurance execs should be rounded up, charged with fraud,
conspiracy, and operating a criminal enterprise, and tried.

It would be difficult to find charges that would stick unless you
overturned the constitution. The big outfits like Goldman spend
hundreds of millions every year on top notch legal talent to ensure
that they operate (barely) within the law. If you were able to get
convictions, substantial numbers of donors to your favorite political
party would find themselves in the gray bar hotel and that also seems
unlikely.


Sorry, I don't buy it. Throw enough government lawyers and contracted
law firms at the mess, and they'll surely find charges that will stick.
Convicting a few hundred suits and sending them to the slammer would do
wonder for restoring a bit of integrity to the investment con job
business. And we also need much, much tighter oversight of the
"investment biz." Penny ante thieves go to prison. So should the big
time thieves in the "investment" biz.

Perhaps these "investment" clowns should be bonded. If they act
imprudently, the bonding companies would make restitution and then work
with prosecutors to make sure the crooks are tried in criminal courts.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:06:36 -0400, hk
wrote:

Hundreds, if not thousands, of wall streeters and
bankers and insurance execs should be rounded up, charged with fraud,
conspiracy, and operating a criminal enterprise, and tried.

It would be difficult to find charges that would stick unless you
overturned the constitution. The big outfits like Goldman spend
hundreds of millions every year on top notch legal talent to ensure
that they operate (barely) within the law. If you were able to get
convictions, substantial numbers of donors to your favorite political
party would find themselves in the gray bar hotel and that also seems
unlikely.

Obama wouldn't be on the hot seat to disgorge nearly $1,000,000 from
Goldman employees.

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:17:54 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:06:36 -0400, hk
wrote:

Hundreds, if not thousands, of wall streeters and
bankers and insurance execs should be rounded up, charged with fraud,
conspiracy, and operating a criminal enterprise, and tried.

It would be difficult to find charges that would stick unless you
overturned the constitution. The big outfits like Goldman spend
hundreds of millions every year on top notch legal talent to ensure
that they operate (barely) within the law.

and even if they didn't, they'd just pay to get the law changes.

On 21/04/2010 11:06 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/21/10 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:05:38 -0600,
wrote:

I wonder what
Goldman did to tick off Obama?

Somebody had to be charged with something and they picked one with
record profits so they could easily pay the fine. In real life it was
really a German bank that got screwed in this "fraud" and I have heard
some people who are familiar with the facts that say Goldman may beat
this thing.
Obama can say he tried, Goldman can say they were vindicated and a lot
of lawyers will get a new yacht out of it. (the "boating content")
Isn't that the American way?


You guys are a trip. Hundreds, if not thousands, of wall streeters and
bankers and insurance execs should be rounded up, charged with fraud,
conspiracy, and operating a criminal enterprise, and tried.


That should include congress and the president who paid them out.

And I would agree. This corruption has to stop and pretty obvious big
mouth Obama isn't doing squat but making it happen.

--
Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government?

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:49:34 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/04/2010 11:06 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/21/10 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:05:38 -0600,
wrote:

I wonder what
Goldman did to tick off Obama?

Somebody had to be charged with something and they picked one with
record profits so they could easily pay the fine. In real life it was
really a German bank that got screwed in this "fraud" and I have heard
some people who are familiar with the facts that say Goldman may beat
this thing.
Obama can say he tried, Goldman can say they were vindicated and a lot
of lawyers will get a new yacht out of it. (the "boating content")
Isn't that the American way?


You guys are a trip. Hundreds, if not thousands, of wall streeters and
bankers and insurance execs should be rounded up, charged with fraud,
conspiracy, and operating a criminal enterprise, and tried.


That should include congress and the president who paid them out.

And I would agree. This corruption has to stop and pretty obvious big
mouth Obama isn't doing squat but making it happen.

well let's see...

the racist darkie hater thinks we should put the rich back in charge

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:33:28 -0400, wrote:



That will not happen. Wall street still has a huge lobby in DC.
There is still a question of whether Goldman actually broke a law. I
know they are sleazy but that is not illegal.

to paraphrase richard nixon, if a rich corporation does it, it's not
illegal