Nurse: We have the result of your biopsy Mrs Harris, You have Ductal
Carcinoma in-Situ, DCIS, a pre-cancerous area in your right breast.
Mrs Harris: OH, Thank God you caught it in time, my mom and her mom
and even my sister died from breast cancer. When can we schedule
surgery?
Nurse: Well………..Obamacare only allows surgery for invasive lesions
and DCIS is not yet invasive so……….
Mrs. Harris: What? I have to wait until a mammogram shows it is
spreading, that’s outrageous.
Nurse: Well, that is the policy.
Mrs. Harris: OK, I’ll get a mammogram every 6 months then to be sure
to catch it.
Nurse: Obamacare only allows for a mammogram every 18 months.
Mrs Harris: It could have metastasized and spread all over in 18
months.
Nurse: Yes, but then surgery will be covered by Obamacare.
Mrs. Harris: But the outcome is so much worse then.
Nurse: That’s true but Obamacare does provide 2 weeks of hospice.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:57:43 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Nurse: We have the result of your biopsy Mrs Harris, You have Ductal
Carcinoma in-Situ, DCIS, a pre-cancerous area in your right breast.
Mrs Harris: OH, Thank God you caught it in time, my mom and her mom
and even my sister died from breast cancer. When can we schedule
surgery?

free market ca

'your mother died of DCIS...why didn't she get care?

well...she didn't have health insurance. it was only when she
collapsed at work and started to bleed from a metastasis to the
ovaries that it was discovered'.

oh...well, then it was her fault. she was middle class with no health
insurance....good riddance'

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Nurse: We have the result of your biopsy Mrs Harris, You have Ductal
Carcinoma in-Situ, DCIS, a pre-cancerous area in your right breast.
Mrs Harris: OH, Thank God you caught it in time, my mom and her mom
and even my sister died from breast cancer. When can we schedule
surgery?
Nurse: Well………..Obamacare only allows surgery for invasive lesions
and DCIS is not yet invasive so……….
Mrs. Harris: What? I have to wait until a mammogram shows it is
spreading, that’s outrageous.
Nurse: Well, that is the policy.
Mrs. Harris: OK, I’ll get a mammogram every 6 months then to be sure
to catch it.
Nurse: Obamacare only allows for a mammogram every 18 months.
Mrs Harris: It could have metastasized and spread all over in 18
months.
Nurse: Yes, but then surgery will be covered by Obamacare.
Mrs. Harris: But the outcome is so much worse then.
Nurse: That’s true but Obamacare does provide 2 weeks of hospice.


Reply: From Page 3, item #5 of Sarah Palin's Greatest Lies. A new book for
"right" thinking idiots (I mean people).

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On Apr 11, 10:57*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Nurse: *We have the result of your biopsy Mrs Harris, You have Ductal
Carcinoma in-Situ, DCIS, a pre-cancerous area in your right breast.
Mrs Harris: *OH, Thank God you caught it in time, my mom and her mom
and even my sister died from breast cancer. *When can we schedule
surgery?
Nurse: *Well………..Obamacare only allows surgery for invasive lesions
and DCIS is not yet invasive so……….
Mrs. Harris: *What? *I have to wait until a mammogram shows it is
spreading, that’s outrageous.
Nurse: *Well, that is the policy.
Mrs. Harris: *OK, I’ll get a mammogram every 6 months then to be sure
to catch it.
Nurse: *Obamacare only allows for a mammogram every 18 months.
Mrs Harris: *It could have metastasized and spread all over in 18
months.
Nurse: *Yes, but then surgery will be covered by Obamacare.
Mrs. Harris: *But the outcome is so much worse then.
Nurse: *That’s true but Obamacare does provide 2 weeks of hospice.

Frog, my wife's friend just visited for a week, she's from the U.K. I
asked her what she thought of her healthcare system, and she said that
although there are some problems, overall it works very well. They get
alot of U.S. news feeds there, and her take? The conservatives here do
nothing but cherry pick a few things that failed in the system but
never, ever report the good.

On 12/04/2010 6:45 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 11, 10:57 pm, wrote:
Nurse: We have the result of your biopsy Mrs Harris, You have Ductal
Carcinoma in-Situ, DCIS, a pre-cancerous area in your right breast.
Mrs Harris: OH, Thank God you caught it in time, my mom and her mom
and even my sister died from breast cancer. When can we schedule
surgery?
Nurse: Well………..Obamacare only allows surgery for invasive lesions
and DCIS is not yet invasive so……….
Mrs. Harris: What? I have to wait until a mammogram shows it is
spreading, that’s outrageous.
Nurse: Well, that is the policy.
Mrs. Harris: OK, I’ll get a mammogram every 6 months then to be sure
to catch it.
Nurse: Obamacare only allows for a mammogram every 18 months.
Mrs Harris: It could have metastasized and spread all over in 18
months.
Nurse: Yes, but then surgery will be covered by Obamacare.
Mrs. Harris: But the outcome is so much worse then.
Nurse: That’s true but Obamacare does provide 2 weeks of hospice.

Frog, my wife's friend just visited for a week, she's from the U.K. I
asked her what she thought of her healthcare system, and she said that
although there are some problems, overall it works very well. They get
alot of U.S. news feeds there, and her take? The conservatives here do
nothing but cherry pick a few things that failed in the system but
never, ever report the good.

Neither side is being honest on the good or the bad of each. And both
could learn from each other if it wasn't for politicial arrogance and BS.

Since I have actually lived and used under all three, Canada, UK and
US... take it for what it is worth. But Obamacare is at best making the
same mistakes many which are fixable at this stage. But it isn't about
health care, it is about government revenue.

Believe it or not I am for global care, but I think Obama is driving you
all into a world of hurt with his idea of it.
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On 4/12/10 9:05 AM, Canuck57 wrote:


Believe it or not I am for global care, but I think Obama is driving you
all into a world of hurt with his idea of it.


And your well-thought-out solutions for providing "global care" consist
of...?




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Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 11, 10:57 pm, wrote:

Nurse: We have the result of your biopsy Mrs Harris, You have Ductal
Carcinoma in-Situ, DCIS, a pre-cancerous area in your right breast.
Mrs Harris: OH, Thank God you caught it in time, my mom and her mom
and even my sister died from breast cancer. When can we schedule
surgery?
Nurse: Well………..Obamacare only allows surgery for invasive lesions
and DCIS is not yet invasive so……….
Mrs. Harris: What? I have to wait until a mammogram shows it is
spreading, that’s outrageous.
Nurse: Well, that is the policy.
Mrs. Harris: OK, I’ll get a mammogram every 6 months then to be sure
to catch it.
Nurse: Obamacare only allows for a mammogram every 18 months.
Mrs Harris: It could have metastasized and spread all over in 18
months.
Nurse: Yes, but then surgery will be covered by Obamacare.
Mrs. Harris: But the outcome is so much worse then.
Nurse: That’s true but Obamacare does provide 2 weeks of hospice.

Frog, my wife's friend just visited for a week, she's from the U.K. I
asked her what she thought of her healthcare system, and she said that
although there are some problems, overall it works very well. They get
alot of U.S. news feeds there, and her take? The conservatives here do
nothing but cherry pick a few things that failed in the system but
never, ever report the good.

They have global heath care. Obama's plan is different and so
convoluted no one understands it. I doubt they will ever find a way to
implement it as written.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:00:59 -0400, Larry
wrote:



They have global heath care. Obama's plan is different and so
convoluted no one understands it. I doubt they will ever find a way to
implement it as written.

it's the best deal possible, given wall street''s power

On 12/04/2010 7:08 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 9:05 AM, Canuck57 wrote:


Believe it or not I am for global care, but I think Obama is driving you
all into a world of hurt with his idea of it.


And your well-thought-out solutions for providing "global care" consist
of...?

You asked:

1) All health care the US government provides is funded 100% seperately
from general revenue and not drawning into general revenue. Health Care
gets it's own debt free fund, of which the government will contribute
too for it's employees who have to eat the SAME dog food they plan on
feeding everyone else.

2) Government employees by law will have to subscribe to the new
services. No "special" plans for them, same crap everyone else gets.

3) 25% surtax on your income unless you can prove you have governemnt
standard or better care from some other source. If you can show you and
all your dependants have it you don't have to pay it. It is not
deductable and manditory at source.

4) What will be covered and what will not be covered, how rationing and
limits will be applied to be published in the wide open Internet for all
to see. Even if you max out your limit, how in time it is earned back.
Call this the public health care service level agreement spelled out
so a 2 year college graduate or elss can understand it.

5) If you are illegally in the USA, you must pay or be denied services.
Government will not pay nor subsidize for illegals. There will be
heavy fraud penalties.

6) 5% national health care sales tax on everything except for basic
staple foods and education. It does not stop by congress to get
squandered, get skimed or banboozeled to death by an overloaded fat
governemnt. 100% of goes straight to the health care fund. Every year
the fund is in arrears it goes up. Every year the fund is in surplus it
goes down. At no time will it be allowed to carry a debt runing longer
than 182 days running, always targeting a zero balance. This is to
prevent governemtn abuse.

7) Government will set a fee schedule for their services. Their rates
will be linked to national averages give or take.

8) Government will have broad powers in audit, fraud and be able to
yank a medical practice to a nation wide blacklist. Not of this state
to state BS today. You screw the system with double billing, you could
be in jail and will certainly lose the right to practice medicine. If
you are an individual participating in frauding the system, maximum
sentance is slave camp for life.

9) If you are a bum squater, drug user and low life-life style
government will provide services. However you will be last in line and
maximum liabilities will be less. Hell, you shoot up with AIDs infected
needles, so sorry spending $10,000 week to keep you alive isn't in the
budget.

10) $20 copay, 10% on procedures over say $30K to prevent abuse. Double
or more if you choose the doctor/hospital out of plan. So if a bored
parent is looking for a goof off day for Johny's whining, let them pay
for wasted visits. If it is serious, $20 is squat.

That is a 90,000 ft overview. It would take 30 bipartizan and rational
man years of good social engineering to make it work. Because if you
don't design it to catch and prevent abuse by government, health care
providers and people at large, you will just have you asses and pocket
books picked and crappy services.

And to make sure it isn't f---ed with later by congress make it an
amendment to the constitution that isn't so easy to break for the
corruption of it.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

On 4/12/10 10:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 7:08 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 9:05 AM, Canuck57 wrote:


Believe it or not I am for global care, but I think Obama is driving you
all into a world of hurt with his idea of it.


And your well-thought-out solutions for providing "global care" consist
of...?

You asked:

1) All health care the US government provides is funded 100% seperately
from general revenue and not drawning into general revenue. Health Care
gets it's own debt free fund, of which the government will contribute
too for it's employees who have to eat the SAME dog food they plan on
feeding everyone else.

2) Government employees by law will have to subscribe to the new
services. No "special" plans for them, same crap everyone else gets.

3) 25% surtax on your income unless you can prove you have governemnt
standard or better care from some other source. If you can show you and
all your dependants have it you don't have to pay it. It is not
deductable and manditory at source.

4) What will be covered and what will not be covered, how rationing and
limits will be applied to be published in the wide open Internet for all
to see. Even if you max out your limit, how in time it is earned back.
Call this the public health care service level agreement spelled out so
a 2 year college graduate or elss can understand it.

5) If you are illegally in the USA, you must pay or be denied services.
Government will not pay nor subsidize for illegals. There will be heavy
fraud penalties.

6) 5% national health care sales tax on everything except for basic
staple foods and education. It does not stop by congress to get
squandered, get skimed or banboozeled to death by an overloaded fat
governemnt. 100% of goes straight to the health care fund. Every year
the fund is in arrears it goes up. Every year the fund is in surplus it
goes down. At no time will it be allowed to carry a debt runing longer
than 182 days running, always targeting a zero balance. This is to
prevent governemtn abuse.

7) Government will set a fee schedule for their services. Their rates
will be linked to national averages give or take.

8) Government will have broad powers in audit, fraud and be able to yank
a medical practice to a nation wide blacklist. Not of this state to
state BS today. You screw the system with double billing, you could be
in jail and will certainly lose the right to practice medicine. If you
are an individual participating in frauding the system, maximum sentance
is slave camp for life.

9) If you are a bum squater, drug user and low life-life style
government will provide services. However you will be last in line and
maximum liabilities will be less. Hell, you shoot up with AIDs infected
needles, so sorry spending $10,000 week to keep you alive isn't in the
budget.

10) $20 copay, 10% on procedures over say $30K to prevent abuse. Double
or more if you choose the doctor/hospital out of plan. So if a bored
parent is looking for a goof off day for Johny's whining, let them pay
for wasted visits. If it is serious, $20 is squat.

That is a 90,000 ft overview. It would take 30 bipartizan and rational
man years of good social engineering to make it work. Because if you
don't design it to catch and prevent abuse by government, health care
providers and people at large, you will just have you asses and pocket
books picked and crappy services.

And to make sure it isn't f---ed with later by congress make it an
amendment to the constitution that isn't so easy to break for the
corruption of it.



snerk That's not a well-thought out solution...and is
unConstitutional in many provisons. Try again.

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