On 13/04/2010 4:33 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 7:08 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 9:05 AM, Canuck57 wrote:


Believe it or not I am for global care, but I think Obama is driving
you
all into a world of hurt with his idea of it.


And your well-thought-out solutions for providing "global care" consist
of...?

You asked:

1) All health care the US government provides is funded 100% seperately
from general revenue and not drawning into general revenue. Health Care
gets it's own debt free fund, of which the government will contribute
too for it's employees who have to eat the SAME dog food they plan on
feeding everyone else.

2) Government employees by law will have to subscribe to the new
services. No "special" plans for them, same crap everyone else gets.

3) 25% surtax on your income unless you can prove you have governemnt
standard or better care from some other source. If you can show you and
all your dependants have it you don't have to pay it. It is not
deductable and manditory at source.

4) What will be covered and what will not be covered, how rationing and
limits will be applied to be published in the wide open Internet for all
to see. Even if you max out your limit, how in time it is earned back.
Call this the public health care service level agreement spelled out so
a 2 year college graduate or elss can understand it.

5) If you are illegally in the USA, you must pay or be denied services.
Government will not pay nor subsidize for illegals. There will be heavy
fraud penalties.

6) 5% national health care sales tax on everything except for basic
staple foods and education. It does not stop by congress to get
squandered, get skimed or banboozeled to death by an overloaded fat
governemnt. 100% of goes straight to the health care fund. Every year
the fund is in arrears it goes up. Every year the fund is in surplus it
goes down. At no time will it be allowed to carry a debt runing longer
than 182 days running, always targeting a zero balance. This is to
prevent governemtn abuse.

7) Government will set a fee schedule for their services. Their rates
will be linked to national averages give or take.

8) Government will have broad powers in audit, fraud and be able to yank
a medical practice to a nation wide blacklist. Not of this state to
state BS today. You screw the system with double billing, you could be
in jail and will certainly lose the right to practice medicine. If you
are an individual participating in frauding the system, maximum sentance
is slave camp for life.

9) If you are a bum squater, drug user and low life-life style
government will provide services. However you will be last in line and
maximum liabilities will be less. Hell, you shoot up with AIDs infected
needles, so sorry spending $10,000 week to keep you alive isn't in the
budget.

10) $20 copay, 10% on procedures over say $30K to prevent abuse. Double
or more if you choose the doctor/hospital out of plan. So if a bored
parent is looking for a goof off day for Johny's whining, let them pay
for wasted visits. If it is serious, $20 is squat.

That is a 90,000 ft overview. It would take 30 bipartizan and rational
man years of good social engineering to make it work. Because if you
don't design it to catch and prevent abuse by government, health care
providers and people at large, you will just have you asses and pocket
books picked and crappy services.

And to make sure it isn't f---ed with later by congress make it an
amendment to the constitution that isn't so easy to break for the
corruption of it.



snerk That's not a well-thought out solution...and is
unConstitutional in many provisons. Try again.

A whole lot better than Obama and congress money grab. Just looking at
the projected tax increases in the next 5 years from the governments
projections of revenues, you are in for a social revolt. Feds are about
to get greedy.

Above is better thought out than the money grab going on.
--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

On 12/04/2010 7:00 PM, Larry wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 11, 10:57 pm, wrote:
Nurse: We have the result of your biopsy Mrs Harris, You have Ductal
Carcinoma in-Situ, DCIS, a pre-cancerous area in your right breast.
Mrs Harris: OH, Thank God you caught it in time, my mom and her mom
and even my sister died from breast cancer. When can we schedule
surgery?
Nurse: Well………..Obamacare only allows surgery for invasive lesions
and DCIS is not yet invasive so……….
Mrs. Harris: What? I have to wait until a mammogram shows it is
spreading, that’s outrageous.
Nurse: Well, that is the policy.
Mrs. Harris: OK, I’ll get a mammogram every 6 months then to be sure
to catch it.
Nurse: Obamacare only allows for a mammogram every 18 months.
Mrs Harris: It could have metastasized and spread all over in 18
months.
Nurse: Yes, but then surgery will be covered by Obamacare.
Mrs. Harris: But the outcome is so much worse then.
Nurse: That’s true but Obamacare does provide 2 weeks of hospice.
Frog, my wife's friend just visited for a week, she's from the U.K. I
asked her what she thought of her healthcare system, and she said that
although there are some problems, overall it works very well. They get
alot of U.S. news feeds there, and her take? The conservatives here do
nothing but cherry pick a few things that failed in the system but
never, ever report the good.
They have global heath care. Obama's plan is different and so convoluted
no one understands it. I doubt they will ever find a way to implement it
as written.

Agreed. It is so losely defined it isn't funny. So loaded with pork it
isn't funny. Just an excuse to overspend like mad asses for another 3
years.

Americans should look at Japan, as they have tried the tax-debt-spend
cycle and have two lost decaudes to prove it. Mind you for the debt,
they don't do too bad but taxes and cost of living is insane. That is
why the "lost decades".

Which is where I think things are headed, a jobless recovery driven
mostly by inflation. What jobs do get created will be very low end. Tax
increases from civic, state and fed will crush any job wage recovery
dead in its tracks.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

On 12/04/2010 7:46 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:00:59 -0400,
wrote:



They have global heath care. Obama's plan is different and so
convoluted no one understands it. I doubt they will ever find a way to
implement it as written.

it's the best deal possible, given wall street''s power

Too bad narrow minded idiots like you cannot fathom the concept that
Wall Street is just a mirror into the economy. And the economy is you,
I and the next guy.

But if you mean the senate, congress and presidential bailout
corruption, that didn't happen on Wll Street. Wall Street delisted
companies like GM, Lehman and others and investors, mostly driven by
middle class money had no faith in the banks that remained.

Too bad you couldn't put a 10 year short on the US Fed.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 13/04/2010 4:33 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 7:08 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 9:05 AM, Canuck57 wrote:


Believe it or not I am for global care, but I think Obama is driving
you
all into a world of hurt with his idea of it.


And your well-thought-out solutions for providing "global care" consist
of...?

You asked:

1) All health care the US government provides is funded 100% seperately
from general revenue and not drawning into general revenue. Health Care
gets it's own debt free fund, of which the government will contribute
too for it's employees who have to eat the SAME dog food they plan on
feeding everyone else.

2) Government employees by law will have to subscribe to the new
services. No "special" plans for them, same crap everyone else gets.

3) 25% surtax on your income unless you can prove you have governemnt
standard or better care from some other source. If you can show you and
all your dependants have it you don't have to pay it. It is not
deductable and manditory at source.

4) What will be covered and what will not be covered, how rationing and
limits will be applied to be published in the wide open Internet for all
to see. Even if you max out your limit, how in time it is earned back.
Call this the public health care service level agreement spelled out so
a 2 year college graduate or elss can understand it.

5) If you are illegally in the USA, you must pay or be denied services.
Government will not pay nor subsidize for illegals. There will be heavy
fraud penalties.

6) 5% national health care sales tax on everything except for basic
staple foods and education. It does not stop by congress to get
squandered, get skimed or banboozeled to death by an overloaded fat
governemnt. 100% of goes straight to the health care fund. Every year
the fund is in arrears it goes up. Every year the fund is in surplus it
goes down. At no time will it be allowed to carry a debt runing longer
than 182 days running, always targeting a zero balance. This is to
prevent governemtn abuse.

7) Government will set a fee schedule for their services. Their rates
will be linked to national averages give or take.

8) Government will have broad powers in audit, fraud and be able to yank
a medical practice to a nation wide blacklist. Not of this state to
state BS today. You screw the system with double billing, you could be
in jail and will certainly lose the right to practice medicine. If you
are an individual participating in frauding the system, maximum sentance
is slave camp for life.

9) If you are a bum squater, drug user and low life-life style
government will provide services. However you will be last in line and
maximum liabilities will be less. Hell, you shoot up with AIDs infected
needles, so sorry spending $10,000 week to keep you alive isn't in the
budget.

10) $20 copay, 10% on procedures over say $30K to prevent abuse. Double
or more if you choose the doctor/hospital out of plan. So if a bored
parent is looking for a goof off day for Johny's whining, let them pay
for wasted visits. If it is serious, $20 is squat.

That is a 90,000 ft overview. It would take 30 bipartizan and rational
man years of good social engineering to make it work. Because if you
don't design it to catch and prevent abuse by government, health care
providers and people at large, you will just have you asses and pocket
books picked and crappy services.

And to make sure it isn't f---ed with later by congress make it an
amendment to the constitution that isn't so easy to break for the
corruption of it.



snerk That's not a well-thought out solution...and is
unConstitutional in many provisons. Try again.

A whole lot better than Obama and congress money grab. Just looking at
the projected tax increases in the next 5 years from the governments
projections of revenues, you are in for a social revolt. Feds are about
to get greedy.

Above is better thought out than the money grab going on.
--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


So, basically, you don't give a fig about the Constitution. You care about
what you think. Screw the rest of us. You're quite the democrat. Thank GOD
you can't get back in the country. Thank GOD you can't vote.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:17:49 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Americans should look at Japan, as they have tried the tax-debt-spend
cycle and have two lost decaudes to prove it.

our economy is growing. theirs isnt

unemployment is dropping here. theirs isnt

the deficit is dropping here. theirs isnt.



Which is where I think things are headed, a jobless recovery driven
mostly by inflation. What jobs do get created will be very low end. Tax
increases from civic, state and fed will crush any job wage recovery
dead in its tracks.

and that is possible. depends on how much the right lets rich folks
continue to steal from the middle class l ike they did for the last 10
years