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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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#22
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"John H" wrote in message
... On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:26:54 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:beWdnbBrIaRtFinWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink. com... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. Thus, you benefited at the gov't's expense. According to the arguments I've seen here from your side of the aisle, you should have pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps, got an education, made lots of money, etc., and not used the gov't as a crutch. I'm not dissing your service, but I am dissing the phoney argument that you're somehow better than others. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. |
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:26:54 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. Thus, you benefited at the gov't's expense. According to the arguments I've seen here from your side of the aisle, you should have pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps, got an education, made lots of money, etc., and not used the gov't as a crutch. I'm not dissing your service, but I am dissing the phoney argument that you're somehow better than others. Good grief. You never cease to amaze. |
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. Full of it or not, he made a valid point, which hasn't been addressed. Looks like you're not going to address it either. Why is that typical... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:47:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message om... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Those who can't create their own path choose the military. Just because he sucked the teat of the government for 20+ years doesn't mean he sacraficed anything. It was his chosen job and not even you, all knowing and seeing Eisboch, can know what was in his soul. A better insight into Herring is his undying support for all things conservative and white. He'd vote for a Republican who'd strip him of his military benefits before he'd support a Democrat who wanted to live up to the obligations of our country to support the men and women who sacraficed their bodies and mental stability during service. Herring is nothing to worship but certainly something to pity for his lack of perspective. |
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On 4/1/10 9:28 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:26:54 -0400, wrote: wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. -- John H Especially, if, like you, you have no real marketable skills, eh? -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:11:12 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. Golly, that's big of you to give Plume your blessing and permission to engage others. |
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On 4/1/10 3:22 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:47:13 -0400, wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Those who can't create their own path choose the military. Just because he sucked the teat of the government for 20+ years doesn't mean he sacraficed anything. It was his chosen job and not even you, all knowing and seeing Eisboch, can know what was in his soul. A better insight into Herring is his undying support for all things conservative and white. He'd vote for a Republican who'd strip him of his military benefits before he'd support a Democrat who wanted to live up to the obligations of our country to support the men and women who sacraficed their bodies and mental stability during service. Herring is nothing to worship but certainly something to pity for his lack of perspective. Herring is a racist...if he went to see Porgy & Bess, he'd wonder why "all those black actors" were up on the stage. -- Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it. |
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#30
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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
nom=de=plume wrote:
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. Full of it or not, he made a valid point, which hasn't been addressed. Looks like you're not going to address it either. Why is that typical... I didn't see Harry making a point,valid or otherwise. There doesn't seem to be any point to address. If you would care to discuss it with Harry, knock yourself out. You are a strange one, you are. |
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