On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:19:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and
the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat?
Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have
you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you
piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I
suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments
simply because I owned one.

You give yourself too much credit. I was moored next to one and
invited aboard for three years. I never warmed to it's design,
although I can appreciate that they appeal to some. It's a square
design that makes it look like a block on water. Reminds me of the
Disney cruise vessels. I'm sure it's an excellent boat if you say so.

If that's what floats your boat, you should go get another?

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built
from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat
as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he
sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I couldn't help but notice their rapid decline in value as I tracked
what was being bought and sold around Seattle. They've sold quite few
up here and they're certainly impressive looking but not pretty.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of
seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt
they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in
what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later
represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold
their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

No, don't think I will Richard but thanks for that advice.

Notice you didn't comment on the Fleming or the OE.

My next is the Tollycraft 44 (or 45 later) can be had reasonably on
the east coast and, although they don't have the kind of engine room
the larger Navigators have, they are seaworthy and very well built.
Everything is glassed in, the hulls are thick, hand laid, dead rise is
significant enough to give it excellent seakeeping abilities. They
were given either 3208s or Detroit 8.2s.

And, to me it's good looking. The 48 is also worth noting.