On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?

It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.

Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.

"jps" wrote in message
...

Holy crap. Out of the thousands of boats designed, engineered and
manufactured, he could only site Navigator?


I didn't say that. You did. I asked him what boat, (of that relative
size) based on his years of experience of running boats up and down the
east coast, in all kinds of conditions, would he choose to make the trip in
if he had the choice. And then he backed it up with reasons and examples.
They are not important here because you wouldn't be interested.

You really shouldn't try to spin a comment into something other than what it
was.

Eisboch

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:24:33 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers
and
the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat?
Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one?
Have
you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you
piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering?
I
suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments
simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built
from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same
boat
as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which
he
sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of
seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I
doubt
they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference
in
what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years
later
represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats
hold
their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch



You are wasting your time trying to sell the merits of that boat to JPS.
He couldn't afford one even if he mortgaged his house and sold his girls
into slavery.

Is that how you finance your boats? What boat have you?

The last boat I bought was with cash. Tolly 40 sundeck in pristine
condition.


Tollycraft built a nice boat. Not my style, but they are well built.

Eisboch

"jps" wrote in message
...

My next is the Tollycraft 44 (or 45 later) can be had reasonably on
the east coast and, although they don't have the kind of engine room
the larger Navigators have, they are seaworthy and very well built.
Everything is glassed in, the hulls are thick, hand laid, dead rise is
significant enough to give it excellent seakeeping abilities. They
were given either 3208s or Detroit 8.2s.

And, to me it's good looking. The 48 is also worth noting.

Ah yes. DD 3208s. Throwaway diesels.

Eisboch

"jps" wrote in message
...


You give yourself too much credit. I was moored next to one and
invited aboard for three years.

Wow. Did they let you sit at the helm chair too?

Eisboch

On 3/24/10 12:04 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?

It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.

Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.

There's not much dumber than a duck, unless, of course, it is a
right-wing duck. :)

jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.


You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?
It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.
Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.


Read for content, the Duck didn't write that.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:09:40 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

Holy crap. Out of the thousands of boats designed, engineered and
manufactured, he could only site Navigator?


I didn't say that. You did. I asked him what boat, (of that relative
size) based on his years of experience of running boats up and down the
east coast, in all kinds of conditions, would he choose to make the trip in
if he had the choice. And then he backed it up with reasons and examples.
They are not important here because you wouldn't be interested.

You really shouldn't try to spin a comment into something other than what it
was.

Eisboch

I didn't spin anything. I would have asked him what else he liked and
hoped that he'd mention something with some style and grace.

It is a boat after all, not a barge.

One of the greatest pleasures I have found in boat ownership is
admiring the lines and grace of the boat's design, as well as its
construction, layout and operation.

It helps make the maintenance go easier. I wouldn't want to wash and
wax something I considered ugly.

Make any sense?

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:13:02 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

My next is the Tollycraft 44 (or 45 later) can be had reasonably on
the east coast and, although they don't have the kind of engine room
the larger Navigators have, they are seaworthy and very well built.
Everything is glassed in, the hulls are thick, hand laid, dead rise is
significant enough to give it excellent seakeeping abilities. They
were given either 3208s or Detroit 8.2s.

And, to me it's good looking. The 48 is also worth noting.

Ah yes. DD 3208s. Throwaway diesels.

Eisboch

That's a religious argument. They're also available with the Detroit
8.2, or 671s.

hk wrote:
On 3/24/10 11:50 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:54:53 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/24/10 7:39 AM, I am Tosk wrote:


Yeah, Tim and I have talked about that. What do you think it is that
makes almost exclusively the "far left" members of this (and most other
groups I frequent) group so vulgar and determined to destroy any
functioning group they visit?

I mean, you look at the most vulgar here, you have Slammer, Harry, JPS,
spewing every shocking, pathetic, vulgar, insult at anybody that tries
to post here, it's a pattern with the far left, you can't deny it...

Scotty


You talked to Tim about it? Did Tim bring up the dozens of posts of
yours that are full of vulgarities and insults? I'll bet he didn't.

*Far* left? Me? JPS? Slammer? That's hilarious, and further proof that
when brains were handed out, you were in the kitchen, wrenching on your
motorbike.

Yes, I'm a tree hugger and a yuppie, all at the same time.

A multipurpose target for the righties, most of which in here are the
inverse of tree huggers.

I'm a fiscal moderate and a social liberal. Seems to fit the
description of most sentient beings, save for the idiots herein who
subscribe to "**** you, I don't care if I've got mine, I'm defending
those that do."


Scotty is a teabagger in a girlie hairdo.

You fiscal moderate social libs like jps, krause, plume and the rest
want to keep your own money and spend other folks money on your feel
good social programs. **** all of you.